I recently started taking a closer look at the Warpriest and came across the Darkness Blessing's Enshrouding Darkness ability.
Enshrouding Darkness (minor): At 1st level, as a standard action you can touch an ally to bestow a darkness blessing. For 1 minute, the ally becomes enshrouded in shadows while in combat, granting it concealment. Creatures normally able to see in supernatural darkness ignore this concealment.
Would the character be considered capable fo creating magical darkness with this?
Would the character effected be considered in magical darkness?
Given that it's a supernatural ability, I don't see how or why not.
What's your combo?
I was looking at the Nightmare Fist feat in particular as blackbloodtroll assumed.
It is indeed a supernatural ability, but what do you mean by you don't see how or why not?
You don't see how it would be a magical darkness? You don't see why it would not be a magical darkness?
I'm a bit flustered right now so I'm having difficulties figuring out what you meant by that.
"Not no", or "yes".
I would say no. You are not creating magical darkness, you are merely creating a darkness effect, not the same thing.
I figured it was a bit of a stretch, but I thought it worth inquiring into. While it only grants concealment, it is not overcome by normal darkvision which lends credance to it be a magical form of darkness.
The last line pretty much says it is a magical darkness effect, since people who see through magic darkness ignore the concealment.
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So, we can at least agree, that it creates a form of darkness?
This would explain why the See in Darkness ability negates it.
It also seems to be a supernatural ability, which, is magical in nature, and does not function in an Antimagic Field.
So, unless this a Supernatural ability, that creates nonmagical darkness, then it is compatible with the Nightmare Fist feat.
I don't see any difference between a "magical darkness effect" and "magical darkness". It seems to me it would work.
Seems like it would go nicely with Enforcer as well.
Sorry if it wasn't clear from my post (maybe cause I used the term "effect"?), but I was agreeing with you BBT
Yeah, Intimidation would be a large factor too.
Who's that gloomy looking bloke in the corner that seems to be creeping close?!?
It would be nice to get official Paizo input into this as I was thinking of possibly trying it in Society play if it is legal.
It would be nice to get official Paizo input into this as I was thinking of possibly trying it in Society play if it is legal.
You have the ability to
1) Create an effect,2) that is magical (reference: the blessing class ability, definition of supernatural abilities)
3) that is darkness (it's called enshrouding darkness, it comes from the equivalent of the Darkness Domain, it creates concealment - a known attribute of darkness, and it's negated by the ability to see in magical darkness).
You're not likely to get a "water is wet" official ruling, especially while Paizo is looking for someone to fill SKR's tiny little shoes. you'd probably be better off sending a mail to your VC, or the GMs you expect to be playing with, asking them to sign off on it.
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I think people are getting a little confused...
As far as I have always known, "magical darkness" in Pathfinder is not just "darkness caused by magic". If it were, the darkness spell would always create magical darkness, which it does not, it only lowers light levels.
"Magical darkness", instead, is a LEVEL of darkness on the spectrum of light-dark scale. The scale goes like this:
-Bright light
-Normal light
-Dim light
-Darkness
-Magical darkness
Only creatures with the see in darkness special ability can see in magical darkness.
So, no, I don't think this idea will work.
The reason why I question whether or not this would be considered magical darkness is not because it is being created by a magical source, but because of what it takes to overcome the benefits of this ability.
...Creatures normally able to see in supernatural darkness ignore this concealment.[/quote.
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The reason why I question whether or not this would be considered magical darkness is not because it is being created by a magical source, but because of what it takes to overcome the benefits of this ability.
...Creatures normally able to see in supernatural darkness ignore this concealment.[/quote.That's actually a very good point. Huh..... then yeah, this should work! However.... how does your ally see through it? Or is it assumed that it's misty darkness that doesn't block actual sight but JUST grants concealment?
Obviously this blessing needs a bit more detail added.
I think people are getting a little confused...
As far as I have always known, "magical darkness" in Pathfinder is not just "darkness caused by magic". If it were, the darkness spell would always create magical darkness, which it does not, it only lowers light levels.
"Magical darkness", instead, is a LEVEL of darkness on the spectrum of light-dark scale. The scale goes like this:
-Bright light
-Normal light
-Dim light
-Darkness
-Magical darkness
Only creatures with the see in darkness special ability can see in magical darkness.So, no, I don't think this idea will work.
The level of Darkness potentially created by Deeper Darkness is called "supernatural darkness" in the spell description. The See In Darkness special ability calls it "The kind created by the Deeper Darkness spell".
It is true that is does not state whether the chosen target (Which would likely be my own character) needs the ability to see through magical darkness or suffer from the effect. It simply states that the target gains concealment and that creatures need the ability to see through magical darkness in order to negate the concealment.
That in turn makes me think that the target does not suffer from the effect. I could be wrong though.
Ah, I did use the wrong word there. Thanks for the catch.