Making a change to the Rules Forum (And maybe the forum in general)


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Jiggy wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
as long as you guys make sure you don't post only contentious rules questions for me there. Deal?
So maybe like 1 in 30 isn't contentious, so it's technically not all of them? No problem! ;)

Why, they could even be non-rules questions, as radical as that may be!


Gregory Connolly wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Gregory Connolly wrote:
Jiggy wrote:

Do you mean something like "I'm not satisfied with how Rule X plays out in my games; what are some alternative ways of doing things?"

Something like that would maybe fit in... Advice, perhaps?

What I meant is that while I do like to know if people are divided 60/40 as opposed to 95/5 or 40/35/35 on an issue, that isn't why I was looking in the Rules Forum. I'm just not sure exactly what goes in each separate forum. I think I am not the only one having trouble figuring out which threads belong in which forums.

What are you looking for then? Consensus?

FAQs apparently.

You want a thread in which a poster can post, and the only response can be from the Design Team?


@Dr. Death, no I was hoping that there was an actual answer rather than a bunch of interpretations. I was hoping someone could point out a clear answer. I thought that the rules forum was where you go to get things answered in a FAQ. I didn't understand that the reason no FAQs were produced since March was because of personnel issues until today. I'm pretty sure when Mark starts putting out new FAQs I'll get my answer.


Well, sometimes there is a consensus right off the bat. But then the thread is a short one.

But you're a smart guy, Mark, so consider that if neither you nor your table can come up with the clear answer in a few minutes of rule searching, then likely it's because it *IS* a Frequently Asked Question, and thus, until the Design Team gets around to it, there will be a debate. Note that sometimes these debates help the Design team.

And of course once in a while the debate is rather bogus, just a couple people trying to troll the forums and get people all het up.

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Gregory Connolly wrote:
I was hoping that there was an actual answer rather than a bunch of interpretations. I was hoping someone could point out a clear answer.

This is what happens sometimes. Sometimes, the asker simply didn't know where to find the rule or didn't know about the FAQ, and someone points them there. Sometimes, the answer is in an unintuitive place in the rules, and someone points the asker there (sometimes taking longer than in the previous example). Sometimes, the answer exists, but is the product of how two or more rules intersect, and so most people have trouble finding all the pieces of the puzzle and putting them together until they're shown—the Rules forum is a good place for this (I wrote a guide to magical light and darkness effects for exactly this reason).

However, sometimes there are multiple valid interpretations of an unclear topic; occasionally, no "actual answer" is immediately available.

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I thought that the rules forum was where you go to get things answered in a FAQ.

That is indeed part of its function; that's what the FAQ-flagging system is for. But it's also for the community to guide each other. (Unfortunately, the Venn diagram of "people who attempt to provide answers to a given question" and "people who are sufficiently proficient to do so" often looks like a pair of binoculars.)


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Jiggy wrote:
the Rules forum is a good place for this (I wrote a guide to magical light and darkness effects for exactly this reason).

You did and it was excellent.


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I have seen people on the forums taking things too personally, and responding inappropriately, but it doesn't bother me that much.

I agree that having even a brief, but more specific explanation of why a post was deleted would be helpful.

The only other thing I would ask for is consistency. If someone is above the rules, the rules cease to seem legitimate. One of the times I was bothered by such posting behaviour, it was a developer breaking the simple rule. Instead of the developer being censured, the person they were being a jerk to was having posts deleted. Saying something seemed like it would be pointless, as it appeared the rules didn't apply to that person.


Scythia wrote:

I have seen people on the forums taking things too personally, and responding inappropriately, but it doesn't bother me that much.

I agree that having even a brief, but more specific explanation of why a post was deleted would be helpful.

The only other thing I would ask for is consistency. If someone is above the rules, the rules cease to seem legitimate. One of the times I was bothered by such posting behaviour, it was a developer breaking the simple rule. Instead of the developer being censured, the person they were being a jerk to was having posts deleted. Saying something seemed like it would be pointless, as it appeared the rules didn't apply to that person.

Or at least be up front about the fact that some posters are above the rules. That way everyone knows to drop the thread like a hot potato if they show up.


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Hi, I am bumping this because I still see the same group of posters being disruptive, lying about others, etc.

Maybe temporary bans are a solution?


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Hi, bumping again because the usual suspects are making the forum pretty bad to read!

Hopefully I am not alone in thinking this


No you aren't, but I think a lot of forum users have given up on seeing any change or action taken.

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I would highly recommend sending us an email at webmaster@paizo.com if you have concerns about specific individuals and think we've missed something.


CWheezy wrote:

Hi, bumping again because the usual suspects are making the forum pretty bad to read!

Hopefully I am not alone in thinking this

I think different groups have different views as to who the usual suspects are which is a significant part of the problem.

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