Nice! Can't wait to see it in color!
Looks like we've got Lirianne, Damiel, Lini, and Amiri as the iconics for this one.
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Fires of Creation Backmatter
It is set in Torch and seems to go underground after the Violet Flame of Torch goes out.
Looks like the link is already broken or deleted.
Thank you Anorak.
I like the cover and it is nice to know which iconics are going to be used.
OMG I don't see an "ancient evil" as the front cover! So glad we don't have another dumb "ancient evil has awakened" final book like in Kingmaker.
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OMG I don't see an "ancient evil" as the front cover! So glad we don't have another dumb "ancient evil has awakened" final book like in Kingmaker.
I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
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I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
If you don't mind, Mr. Voice of the Divine, may I submit a query? I am longing to know if the ecology article will include things like feats, archetypes, etc. for androids, or if another book/adventure will include these things?
Another, if you do not mind; Are androids a good fit for the AP, or will they be kind of like playing a goblin in RotRL? (Doable, yes, but not advised)
If you cannot answer, that is acceptable, I will just wait and see, but knowing sooner would scratch an insatiable itch.
OMG I don't see an "ancient evil" as the front cover! So glad we don't have another dumb "ancient evil has awakened" final book like in Kingmaker.I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
1. Oops didn't catch that.
2. Ok since ancient evil is happening can we expect foreshadowed, firmly rooted in plot anienct evil (RotRL) or "oh btw, the 6th book is fighting some ancient evil that you guys never found out about, have fun (Kingmaker)?
By seeds you mean the stuff at the very end of book five? Foreshadowing before that only exists if your GM adds it with his fiat.
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By seeds you mean the stuff at the very end of book five? Foreshadowing before that only exists if your GM adds it with his fiat.
there are also seeds in books 1, 2 and 4! i can list them all in spoilers if you would like:) also its all in the adventure background of book 1 so its not like the GM didn't know it was coming and to foreshadow accordingly, its not like a Paizo staffer is going to come over and hold the GMs hand while they run the adventures.
and if your GM isn't adding stuff by fiat then he/she needs to work on that, Paizo can only do so much, eventually the GM needs to step up
2. Ok since ancient evil is happening can we expect foreshadowed, firmly rooted in plot anienct evil (RotRL) or "oh btw, the 6th book is fighting some ancient evil that you guys never found out about, have fun (Kingmaker)?
He didn't say that an ancient evil is awakening, per se, merely that the events that set the AP in motion can be traced back to an ancient event (Starfall, or perhaps even further).
In any event, it seems fairly clear from the solicits that the PCs are going to know more or less what they're up against from well before the climax (as they track down the Iron Gods). While I'm sure all won't be revealed until the end, I don't think it will be quite on the level of Kingmaker 6.
Ahh when you put it that way it's pretty good sounding!
My current favorite book 6 for an AP is from Skulls and Shackles because the events of books 5-6 really matched the supposed intentions of the parties (and 100% matched my groups intentions). We weren't just "The only people who could do X!" we wanted to do X whether the plot told us to or not!
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I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
If you don't mind, Mr. Voice of the Divine, may I submit a query? I am longing to know if the ecology article will include things like feats, archetypes, etc. for androids, or if another book/adventure will include these things?
Another, if you do not mind; Are androids a good fit for the AP, or will they be kind of like playing a goblin in RotRL? (Doable, yes, but not advised)
If you cannot answer, that is acceptable, I will just wait and see, but knowing sooner would scratch an insatiable itch.
Ecology type articles generally don't have a lot of crunch to them, and they are generally not intended for players in the first place.
But don't worry, there'll be some player-friendly places to get Android information as well. And the article itself might be player friendly... that's more of an Adam question, but I think there's probably some spoilers in there, with it being in the AP voulme and all.
Androids are an interesting choice for a player character race in Iron Gods, and there'll certainly be some support for them in the player's guide and other places. In fact, if you play an android, at least in a few places the adventure path may take on special significance...
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OMG I don't see an "ancient evil" as the front cover! So glad we don't have another dumb "ancient evil has awakened" final book like in Kingmaker.I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
1. Oops didn't catch that.
2. Ok since ancient evil is happening can we expect foreshadowed, firmly rooted in plot anienct evil (RotRL) or "oh btw, the 6th book is fighting some ancient evil that you guys never found out about, have fun (Kingmaker)?
2) More like Runelords.
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By seeds you mean the stuff at the very end of book five? Foreshadowing before that only exists if your GM adds it with his fiat.
We put seeds and foreshadowing for her in all of the books, starting with the first adventure in Kingmaker.
Obviously not ENOUGH for some folks' preference... but then again, Kingmaker was never really intended to be the classic "prepare the whole time for the big bad end gal" adventure path. It was more like "build your kingdom, and then by the end your kingdom is built so you need to defend it from someone."
But yeah... she and elements of the last adventure were foreshadowed all the way from the start (dead unicorn, anyone?).
Lirianne has a laser pistol! :D YES!
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Lirianne has a laser pistol! :D YES!Well... TECHNICALLY it's an inferno pistol... but still. Pew pew!!!
EVEN BETTER! :D
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I would be remiss in pointing out two known facts.
1) This is the first book, not the last book, in the Iron Gods AP, and therefore comparing it to the last book in Kingmaker isn't really accurate.
2 The whole "Rain of Stars" event that sets up the Iron Gods AP is nothing else if not ancient.
If you don't mind, Mr. Voice of the Divine, may I submit a query? I am longing to know if the ecology article will include things like feats, archetypes, etc. for androids, or if another book/adventure will include these things?
Another, if you do not mind; Are androids a good fit for the AP, or will they be kind of like playing a goblin in RotRL? (Doable, yes, but not advised)
If you cannot answer, that is acceptable, I will just wait and see, but knowing sooner would scratch an insatiable itch.
Ecology type articles generally don't have a lot of crunch to them, and they are generally not intended for players in the first place.
But don't worry, there'll be some player-friendly places to get Android information as well. And the article itself might be player friendly... that's more of an Adam question, but I think there's probably some spoilers in there, with it being in the AP voulme and all.
James is correct. The ecology article is geared more toward GMs as it relates some information that many android characters would not be aware of. There are a couple of feats in there however that could be used by android PCs, so talk to your GM about it (which you should probably do anyway if you're planning on running an android) and see if he or she will share those crunchy bits.
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Yeah, the place you'll want to go for android crunch and player-friendly android information is actually People of the Stars.
Among other options for androids, the four feats in the ecology article are indeed reprinted in People of the Stars, so players can access those feats easily without running the risk of getting a spoiler from the GM-focused (and lengthier) ecology article in Iron Gods itself.
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I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
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I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
They are indeed vegepygmies.
And there is indeed tech on the cover. The fight takes place in an old wreck. Turns out, the low res, blurry quality of the photo that leaked doesn't really do the artwork justice.
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I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
Just so I correctly understand what you're saying: you're judging the book by its cover?
-Skeld
I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
They are indeed vegepygmies.
And there is indeed tech on the cover. The fight takes place in an old wreck. Turns out, the low res, blurry quality of the photo that leaked doesn't really do the artwork justice.
You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?
my guess is its going up sometime soon, and it is a fairly harmless leak to begin with:)
You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?
I'm just curious, what would you expect them to do to indicate distress?
You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?I'm just curious, what would you expect them to do to indicate distress?
I dunno, I guess I'm too used to certain companies (Paizo not being one of them), whether they be tabletop RPGs or otherwise, being extremely stingy when it comes to leaks, even if the release is only a month or so away.
Stingy the right word? Ehhhhh.
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You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?I'm just curious, what would you expect them to do to indicate distress?
a little dance would be fun, maybe have someone scream then run into a wall:)
physical comedy always works for me when i'm distressed:)
You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?I'm just curious, what would you expect them to do to indicate distress?I dunno, I guess I'm too used to certain companies (Paizo not being one of them), whether they be tabletop RPGs or otherwise, being extremely stingy when it comes to leaks, even if the release is only a month or so away.
Stingy the right word? Ehhhhh.
Let me rephrase. I haven't seen the photo in question, I have no idea where it came from. But even if Paizo was sending C&D letters, tightening up the supply chain, and whatever, what evidence of that would you expect to see in this thread?
The android also has a gauntlet that looks like tech, the gunslinger has the same gun as the android and the alchemist looks like he has some kind of tech device strapped to his back. Plus if you look at the ruins there in, it looks like it's made of metal with vents, lights, buttons, modern shelves, etc.
Let me rephrase. I haven't seen the photo in question, I have no idea where it came from. But even if Paizo was sending C&D letters, tightening up the supply chain, and whatever, what evidence of that would you expect to see in this thread?You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?I'm just curious, what would you expect them to do to indicate distress?I dunno, I guess I'm too used to certain companies (Paizo not being one of them), whether they be tabletop RPGs or otherwise, being extremely stingy when it comes to leaks, even if the release is only a month or so away.
Stingy the right word? Ehhhhh.
None, I suppose...beyond, of course, the OP mysteriously never being heard from again, the link instead directs to a youtube video depicting puppies...
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You guys don't seem especially distressed that the cover leaked. That a good or bad thing?I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
They are indeed vegepygmies.
And there is indeed tech on the cover. The fight takes place in an old wreck. Turns out, the low res, blurry quality of the photo that leaked doesn't really do the artwork justice.
I'm actually pretty annoyed, but there's not much to be done about it at this point, so I'm trying not to let being annoyed annoy me.
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I'm not seeing any tech on the cover besides the NPC overlay - android and pistol (which looks like a stylized or magical flintlock). I can't tell if the critters on the cover are supposed to be Vegypygmies.
Sorry to be a downer - this doesn't scream Expedition to the Barrier Peaks/Gamma World or anything else for that matter. Then again, it's hard to tell from the background where they are fighting - maybe if I saw a better pic that didn't have the color washed out.
Sorry, if S3 is what you guys are trying to convey it isn't happening - for me at least.
Not a bad cover - just doesn't give the S3 vibe.
Just so I correctly understand what you're saying: you're judging the book by its cover?
-Skeld
Some books can be judged by their covers - especially when you consider that a picture says a thousand words. Or lack therof.
In any case, as of now I'm in for the Numeria: Land of Fallen Stars book - until I have to cancel my sub for the Mummy's Mask map folio - and then restart my sub for the Technology Guide book. (sigh)
Unless of course the Numeria source book is terrible - then no Iron Gods for me.
Anyway
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The android also has a gauntlet that looks like tech, the gunslinger has the same gun as the android and the alchemist looks like he has some kind of tech device strapped to his back. Plus if you look at the ruins there in, it looks like it's made of metal with vents, lights, buttons, modern shelves, etc.
The gauntlet looks like a spiked gauntlet, what about it screams tech?
I don't like the look of the inferno pistol, could be artist rendition that I'm having an issue with but it looks more stylized steampunk than tech - it looks like a magical flintlock and not a ray gun. I guess it's too similar to existing tech (Gunslingers pistol) to really stand out as being "tech".
TBH I can't tell what's on the alchemist back, looks kind of ovoid - I have no clue. Maybe better resolution and color would help?
I did notice the background - I do see vents and shelves, but it seems like they could be from a spaceship lab that was built in the 1890's. Again, hard to tell at this point - looks very retro tech if it's supposed to be tech. I can't pass any real kind of judgement on this till I see it up close and in color.
All I'm happy for is that Lirianne is given some time in the spotlight of an AP, something I believe is overdue. I do hope that the tech gained by the characters increases on the covers over time, going from Lirianne with one high tech pistol to full cyberpunk on all four by the end.
Lirianne was also in the reign of winter AP as well. got to play with some of the ww1 era guns in the book 5 art.
I hope it is kind of steam punky. I like star wars and all but Golarion is mainly a fantasy setting so some hybrid space 1889 looking tech would be cool.
Perhaps the technology used to be supper futuristic but the tech league could not really understand it so when they rebuilt it or fixed it it took on a more primitive look.