reroll when edit?


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I've noticed that when I edit a post containing dice rolls, sometimes it rerolls and sometimes it doesn't. This is screwing me up cuz I often find myself having to go back and add or change something.

For example, I forgot someone in initiative yesterday and when I went back and edited the post to add them, it rerolled everyone's initiative which I already had posted. Of course, I didn't notice till like 2 hours later, so now it looks like I rolled initiative and just posted an order drawn out of a hat instead.

I notice other times I can edit without it rerolling though. Can anyone explain what's going on here?


I think I'm figuring it out now. If these are my rolls

Roll 1 (15)
Roll 2 (16)
Roll 3 (17)
Roll 4 (18)

and I need to delete roll 3, this is what happens

Roll 1 (15)
Roll 2 (16)
Roll 4 (17)

It deletes the roll 3 slot but keeps the same results, shifting them upward and deleting the final one.

As for adding rolls, you can add a roll but he new roll will always go to the end, so if you place it in the middle of other rolls they will shift to accommodate.

Conclusion: don't edit rolls out, add the strike through format if needed. Edit rolls in is fine, but make sure you put them after all other rolls in the post.

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The die roller is a computer. It isn't very smart but it is very literal. It can't tell the difference between deleting roll 3 and deleting roll 4.

I suppose it would be possible to make it detect the description on named rolls or care about the things added to the die rolls, but then it would reroll if you fixed a typo or went back and realized that you should have had an extra +1 because the bard was performing.


I gotcha, it has to work like this so people don't just edit their rolls over and over until they get one they like


jimibones83 wrote:
I gotcha, it has to work like this so people don't just edit their rolls over and over until they get one they like

Now they can edit the order of their rolls to get the one they like. :-)

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Distant Scholar wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:
I gotcha, it has to work like this so people don't just edit their rolls over and over until they get one they like
Now they can edit the order of their rolls to get the one they like. :-)

No system is perfect.


Okay, I thought this was what happened to me, but it doesn't look like the same thing at all.

To cross-post (since no developer has commented in that thread):

Tacticslion wrote:

Well, for me, at least, this is the second time I've had substantially differing (and worse) dice results between preview and post in the gaming area.

The other time happened here/here (which I worked out a solution for here) with a weird double post - you can clearly see the values I typed out don't mesh with the values rolled up. Also a weird double-post-thing with two different identities, and... I really don't know what happened there.

I mean, neither have been terribly important, but... it's rather weird. Also not really an exciting thing if I can't trust my dice values before I post. EDIT: The fact that both were, categorically, worse than what I thought I was posting is disturbing as well.

Is this the right place for this? Should I make a new thread? Did I somehow do this to myself?

The only clues I have is that it has something to do with editing.


Wait. Hold on.

Post as Tacticslion: 1d20 ⇒ 12 this is a 12

EDIT: But if I change my name to The Dark Seer... it's still twelve.
EDIT: But if I change my user name to Staveon... :/ it's still twelve.

EDIT: Okay, but what if I roll this as Staveon Staveon: 1d20 ⇒ 2, and I get a 2. Then I change my alias to The Dark Seer before posting...

EDIT: ... and it's still a 2.

EDIT: Okay, okay, trying this again. If I preview this roll as The Dark Seer The Dark Seer Preview: 1d20 ⇒ 7, and I get a 7, but then I preview this again, but this time, change my alias to Staveon before posting...
... and it's still a 7, but if I switch back to Tacticslion... it remains 7, but, if I post (without previewing) as Staveon...

EDIT: ... it's still 7. Yeah, I don't know.


Your random numbers are tied to both your account and your position in the thread. If you make two posts in a row and preview both, the numbers will change because the system sees them both as Tacticslion making post #53, frex, in a thread. When you submit, you're actually making post #53 and post #54, so the numbers in what was post #53 but is now post #54 will differ from the preview. If you go ahead and submit your first post before previewing the second one, the numbers shouldn't change.

(I discovered this posting in a play-by-post, where I wanted Initiative rolls to follow directly on a remark by an NPC. So I typed the NPC's post, then did my DM post with initiatives and attack rolls, previewing it to see what the results were. When I submitted both, and my DM post was suddenly post N+1 instead of N, the rolls were different. If someone else posts before you get around to submitting, you'll keep your roles, but if you post twice in succession after previewing, the system generates new random numbers.)


Joana wrote:

Your random numbers are tied to both your account and your position in the thread. If you make two posts in a row and preview both, the numbers will change because the system sees them both as Tacticslion making post #53, frex, in a thread. When you submit, you're actually making post #53 and post #54, so the numbers in what was post #53 but is now post #54 will differ from the preview. If you go ahead and submit your first post before previewing the second one, the numbers shouldn't change.

(I discovered this posting in a play-by-post, where I wanted Initiative rolls to follow directly on a remark by an NPC. So I typed the NPC's post, then did my DM post with initiatives and attack rolls, previewing it to see what the results were. When I submitted both, and my DM post was suddenly post N+1 instead of N, the rolls were different. If someone else posts before you get around to submitting, you'll keep your roles, but if you post twice in succession after previewing, the system generates new random numbers.)

The one double post seems impossible for me to have accomplished - they're both at the same time - while the other wasn't the result of a double post at all. I could definitely see it if that were the case. The only guess I had was that I might have posted as Tacticslion then altered it to the appropriate alias, but that's only because I have a tendency to forget before posting at times. It may be reading this as double posting somehow... but in that case, it's REALLY annoying, and still problematic for me.


The first post was clearly a double-post, although I don't know how it occurred. (Keeping in mind that 12:52:00 and 12:52:59 would both read as 12:52, they could have been entered as much as 59 seconds apart, but I don't know how you'd copy/paste into a second post without knowing it.) The second one, I don't have a theory for.

I know it's not intended that changing the post-as alias between preview and submission should change the roll, and I've done it myself without the numbers changing. A few years ago, there was a preview bug that would change the roll, and the work-around until it was fixed was to submit the roll and then edit the post to add flavor text to go along with the number generated; but that was happening to everyone until they squashed it.

I know there's a couple times I've hit reply instead of edit and ended up with a double-post, but you would have had to remove the quote tags to get a second post with the same text. *shrug*


Joana wrote:

The first post was clearly a double-post, although I don't know how it occurred. (Keeping in mind that 12:52:00 and 12:52:59 would both read as 12:52, they could have been entered as much as 59 seconds apart, but I don't know how you'd copy/paste into a second post without knowing it.) The second one, I don't have a theory for.

I know it's not intended that changing the post-as alias between preview and submission should change the roll, and I've done it myself without the numbers changing. A few years ago, there was a preview bug that would change the roll, and the work-around until it was fixed was to submit the roll and then edit the post to add flavor text to go along with the number generated; but that was happening to everyone until they squashed it.

I know there's a couple times I've hit reply instead of edit and ended up with a double-post, but you would have had to remove the quote tags to get a second post with the same text. *shrug*

Yeah, I've done the same, but as you said: it's pretty obvious, because you have the "[ quote]" boxes at the beginning and end of the post.

The main reason I'm reporting them at all is just because it's now happened a second time.

I didn't report the first one because I figured it had to be something I'd done that was relatively straight-forward, just unremembered. The fact that my dice rolls were changed twice is just... strange.


Sometimes if I'm posting on my phone on 3G, not Wifi, something goes nuts with either Safari or the website with the slow connection, and after hitting post, it churns and wheezes, and after thirty seconds of waiting, I get bored, hit the back button (taking me back to the posting/editing screen, where I hit post again. This usually causes double posts, so I go delete the second one. The two posts have different die rolls, and if I delete the first one, the second one keeps it's die rolls, and the die rolls on the first post disappear into Internetland.

I suppose a person could use this to cheat, but I think it's happened to me about four times in the last five years.


Nazard wrote:

Sometimes if I'm posting on my phone on 3G, not Wifi, something goes nuts with either Safari or the website with the slow connection, and after hitting post, it churns and wheezes, and after thirty seconds of waiting, I get bored, hit the back button (taking me back to the posting/editing screen, where I hit post again. This usually causes double posts, so I go delete the second one. The two posts have different die rolls, and if I delete the first one, the second one keeps it's die rolls, and the die rolls on the first post disappear into Internetland.

I suppose a person could use this to cheat, but I think it's happened to me about four times in the last five years.

Hm... that's a good think to be aware of.

I do use an iPad sometimes, however I try to avoid any heavy coding (like dice) with it, if I at all possibly can, because my auto-correct hates forum coding and I end up with things like "dice = dreck dice dice" instead of "Drejk: 1d6 ⇒ 4" or something, unless I spend a ton of time trying to correct it (and sometimes, if it's being stubborn, even then...).

Still, good advice. :)

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