The Flash TV Series


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Sooo.....Mr. Medusa?

Or maybe Leonardo DeCaprio is a secret Flash fan and will make an appearance.


So.... Poof?

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Also I think Jesse and Wally just got their speed force powers.


I think Barry has temporarily become One with the Speed Force.


Damon Griffin wrote:
I think Barry has temporarily become One with the Speed Force.

So you're saying Barry joined the Matrix and is now the One? ;)


I am the last person in America who has never seen the Matrix movies.

I think he's merged with the Speed Force and when he returns he'll not only have access to any amount of speed needed, but will have picked up at least one new speed trick.

Also, we just got two simultaneous origins for the price of one. I wonder if any passing reference to the Tornado Twins will be made in connection with that.

Sovereign Court

Watch the matrix it is a good film.

Scarab Sages

Well, at least now…

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We probably no longer have to wait to see how Wally and Jessie will get their powers. I have to wonder, however, how the writer’s will work around the fact that neither one of them had the chemicals in their system that Barry had – an acknowledged key ingredient to giving Barry his speed power. To me, it seems like they had it figured out – the wave of Dark Matter hit Barry and seemed to change color (or my eyes were playing tricks on me) before flowing out to eventually hit both of them. So maybe Barry’s body sort of catalyzed the energy, changing it into something that could impart the same (or similar) powers to Jessie and Wally. I hope they at least mention something along those lines.

So….a supervillain takes over an entire city, kills a bunch of police officers on camera, and…nothing from the outside world? I mean, I understand that this is all about The Flash, but this nothing response kind of defies reality a bit too much.

At least the writer’s had Barry channel their inner stupidity about having him surrender his powers in the first place.

Also, seems to me, the Barry I thought I knew wouldn’t have hesitated for one second about risking his own life to get his powers back so he could save innocent people.

Rupture was kind of lame.

When the hell is Cisco going to start learning to use his powers the way his evil counterpart did. If he were doing that, he and a powered Flash could probably have whupped Zoom together, the way Deathstorm and Evil Cisco did to the Flash over on Earth 2.

Please don’t tell me they’re going to go the route of Earth1 Caitlin turning evil after Zoom’s little speech. Some clichés are better left not done.

Next week’s episode is apparently directed by Kevin Smith. That could be cool. I kind of wish he’d start writing some titles for DC again. I still fondly remember his work on Green Arrow.


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I read Barry's reluctance as not wanting to risk other people getting hurt, not the risk to his own life. The latter was Henry's argument. Barry wanted Wells to guarantee the explosion would be contained, but he couldn't, so Barry was extremely reluctant until it became obvious that letting Zoom have free reign was worse.


Hama wrote:
Watch the matrix it is a good film.

You can skip the sequels. Especially the 'dumbest mecha ever designed' in the third one...

I saw those things on TV and I wanted my time back. They are stoooopid.

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Barry definitely didn't try to get his powers back initially due to concern about another uncontrolled dark matter explosion creating another bunch of meta humans. After last week's episode with a guy who literally was killed by his own powers, I can see that as top of mind.

Current man in the iron mask theory:

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I wonder if whatever happened to Barry set him up to get captured by Zoom in the past without his powers back. It would certainly fit Zoom's statement that they would never believe him if he told them who it was. It would also explain that Zoom was very confident that Barry would give up his powers.


Agreed, with the people that say It wasn't so much Barry DIDN'T want his powers, he didn't want to endanger the city by having ANOTHER uncontrolled particle accelerator explosion. Or even a minor-ly controlled one. I complete understood that. However I also think Barry didn't think it through in the sense which is the greater risk, more metahumans and weird stuff or death by homicidal speedster.


The Matrix was decent until about a third of the way in, at which point it becomes painfully stupid. By all means watch it for pretty visuals but leave your brain at the door.


well.....
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oops, doesn't quite cover it


Grey,

How so?


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Agreed, with the people that say It wasn't so much Barry DIDN'T want his powers, he didn't want to endanger the city by having ANOTHER uncontrolled particle accelerator explosion. Or even a minor-ly controlled one. I complete understood that. However I also think Barry didn't think it through in the sense which is the greater risk, more metahumans and weird stuff or death by homicidal speedster.

I was rather pleased with the resistance. They hit the notes I complained about last week. ONLY Wells thought it was a good idea. The collateral damage to the city... the increase of super-villains... VERY notworthy complaints..

I was also glad that they DID address the chemicals and lightning as being mandatory (my guess is

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the others were 'bathed in the chemicals' after Barry exploded...

They even mentioned that fact that Barry was in a coma for 9 months after the first explosion.

Though I DO notice that Wells never had a response to THAT concern...

Sovereign Court

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I bet that Wally and Jessie will not be as fast as Barry, because of the chemicals not being in their sysem


Hama wrote:
Spoiler:
I bet that Wally and Jessie will not be as fast as Barry, because of the chemicals not being in their system

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OTOH... It's Barry... Everyone is faster than him! :V
Liberty's Edge

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Despite being the 'fastest man alive' I'm pretty sure he's the slowest speedster.


There's also the fact that they weren't sure the chemicals were necessary...they were just recreating everything in the original event just in case.

Zoom didn't have chemicals in him after all.


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Jesse already has the residue of chemicals in her system.

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Feral wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

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So, there are faster women and hobbits? ;-) #WitchKing

All I know is if Barry's in the Speedforce, he'd better get an upgrade after this. :P


Thomas Seitz wrote:
All I know is if Barry's in the Speedforce, he'd better get an upgrade after this. :P

Maybe he'll make it to the top 5 fastest men alive!


He better be faster than Quicksilver is all I'm saying. :P

Scarab Sages

Kevin Smith directed episode….!

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I find myself wishing they’d have let him write it as well. It was…..ok.

I thought the parts with a reanimated Girder were ridiculous.

I did like the way Cisco and Wells teamed up to try and rescue Barry. I do wish, however, they’d have worked Barry’s return a little different. Instead of them opening a door for him (so to speak), I think I’d have preferred to have Iris call his name, he hears, and then realizes he can return on his own.

I’m glad Henry is going to be sticking around some more. Maybe just long enough for them to kill him off…?

WRT Jessie and Wally – looks like Jessie is for sure going to have speed powers. Perhaps the writers will have her run in at the last second to save Barry from Zoom. Wally, on the other hand, appears to be not as affected…yet. That’s cool. They can save it for another time when Barry is helpless and needs to be saved by someone else. Plus, too many speedsters all at once would make things even more idiotic than having a speedster be the big bad every season.

The scene at the end, with Zoom giving the Rah Rah speech to his little army of meta-humans was extraordinarily lame. The way this show has developed, there’s no way Barry can defeat them all. He just doesn’t have enough people to help him do that. Unless they have Cisco come up with a brilliant plan to use a machine he invents in 2 seconds, coupled with Barry’s speed, that’ll then suck all the people who vibrate at Earth-2 frequency back to their own earth. Except, of course, Barry’s speed wouldn’t be enough in this case, but Jessie Quick would show up just in time to save the day.

And, yes. I do think it's extremely f+%+ing stupid that Flash can't seem to defeat any single villain on his own. He's developed into not so much a hero, as a weapon smarter people use against bad guys.


Barry's chat with Speedforce!Henry at his mom's gravestone was exceptionally excellent. And I got teary when he met Speedforce!Nora.

And as much as Cisco's "Zombie? Fer real?!" line made me bark a laugh, the whole rest of the episode that wasn't Barry in Speedforceville struck me as pretty laaaaame.

But man, did I enjoy Barry's chats with all the lookalikes. Shoot.


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There are some interesting implications in Barry's chat with the speedforce.

They seemed to be implying that Barry has been subconciously rejecting his own powers after not saving his mother (IE: for all of season 2). Which dose rather nicely explain why Barry has been running dead last against every other speedster he runs into lately. In the back of his brain he has been telling himself "I don't deserve this"

The man has been wearing shackles of his own creation all season, now hopefully he has shaken them off.


During Barry's chat with his father at the cabin...

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Barry mentions Jay Garrick, and his dad mentions that Garrick was his mother's maiden name. I'm thinking that wasn't just a throwaway line. Might have to do with the man in the mask.


Still unclear how fast Barry is now, but at least he's got his Speedforce connection back.

I did enjoy this episode, but like everyone else, more for Barry's stuff than the other things.

Hopefully Jesse does get powers before the big metahuman battle. Cause that's a lot of Metahumans, even for one Flash.

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Considering how ineffective Barry actually is in combat that's way more than he can handle.


Feral,

Regardless of his effective or ineffectiveness, more than 100 metahumans is something that you bring in the Justice League for.

Liberty's Edge

True.

I would say he should call in Arrow but he's got his own problems currently.


The Who? :) Unfortunately the only available hero would be Arrow. Everyone else is stuck being incompetent throughout time.

Edit: Ninja-ed.


Amazing Red wrote:
Unfortunately the only available hero would be Arrow. Everyone else is stuck being incompetent throughout time.

Pied Piper isn't a villain since Barry's latest disturbance of the timeline. Vixen might be available.

Liberty's Edge

Vixen.
Presumably Roy is kicking around somewhere.
Black Canary III will be back, I'm sure.

Um...

Scarab Sages

Yeah, I'm sure the writers will dig up someone(s) (or some plot MacGuffin) to take care of all those metahuman Friends of Zoom.

Although, I think it would be cool (and completely against the grain) if the writers had Barry come up with some clever science trick utilizing a combo of his own speed and Cisco's powers to send them all back to Earth 2 in one shot!

Liberty's Edge

I've got it.

Science has shown that if you throw something through a breach all similar things also get sucked into the breach. Problem solved!


Are they all necessarily from Earth-2 ? Wasn't one of the things they put forward an episode or two ago that there were probably a LOT of metahumans on Earth-1 from the first particle accelerator explosion that had never stepped forward because of the Flash?

Liberty's Edge

True.

Though it kind of bugs me that the metahumans are all in hiding because they're all closet criminals. Are Barry, Cisco, and Firestorm(s) really the only metas that want to use their powers for good or at least not-crime?

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Does Barry gain mass as he approaches light speed?

If so, aren't his fists really heavy?


I suspect there a bunch in the wings that haven't developed powers yet... It's been what, 3 years since the explosion and Cisco is still barely getting his to work?

Gotta be some other late bloomers out there.

Scarab Sages

SmiloDan wrote:

Does Barry gain mass as he approaches light speed?

If so, aren't his fists really heavy?

I believe something like that has been used in the comics, at least the Wally West Flash. He was battling some guy wearing frictionless power armor and used a momentum transfer to send the guy through several buildings.


The Flash has the "Infinite Mass Punch".
The comic version, at least.

The TV version, even at his absolute fastest, with the tachyon device, has not come anywhere close to relativistic speeds. He's topping out at slower than the comic version of Quicksiver, I believe.


Norman is correct. So far TV Flash hasn't broken many speed barriers other than once or twice.

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What??? He didn't use superluminal velocity to go back in time?

Like Superman?

Just regular @$$ velocity with some writer hand waving?

How fast, exactly, is TV show Flash? Can he break the 4 minute mile, at least?

Liberty's Edge

TV Flash isn't very fast at all. He gets hit by normal arrows fairly easily.


Reverse Flash does too. Zoom is probably the only speedster that is y'now, fast.


Well, they're all very fast.

Zoom is the only one that seems to have gotten the "super reflexes" though. This version of Flash apparently has to "turn on" his speed before it works, because he gets straight f**@ed every time someone catches him even slightly off guard in a fight.

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Barry's really hurting for that uncanny dodge.


The reflexes are only good for catching falling coffee cups.

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