I was just talking to someone about how clubs, slings, rocks, and quarter staffs are absolutely free. What are other things weapons or not that are free? I'd like to have a list that exist so myself and others can reference for what to their characters at no cost.
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Unarmed Strike (I'd sure hope so), wooden stake, club, quarterstaff, sling, stingchuck, ammentum, and the stitched sling are all listed without a price.
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Rocks. 99% of the time rocks are free, and useful besides as you can hit people with them, throw them, use them as weights, sit on them, build with them, the list goes on.
Yes, I am very interested in having people give creative ideas for how to use your free items, regardless of how broken or silly. Please share.
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You guys are thinking too small scale...
Consider that something like your standard rock is free. Now, consider that a cold iron weapon doubles the cost of the weapon. What's the cost of 0x2? Well, looks like you have yourself a free cold-iron rock. Watch demons lament as you continue to bludgeon them with your thousands of free cold-iron rocks in the back of your wagon. Take Craft: Weapons, and smelt down your thousand Cold Iron rocks into something simple like, lets say a greatsword. Now you have your Cold Iron Greatsword (50gx2=100g) for free. Sell to the weapon seller for half-cost, heck, throw him a 70% discount, and enjoy your 30g you made for free and the eternal friendship of a vendor who got a bargain.
Rinse, wash, repeat, and you will have made 30*Infinite gold! Starting a character at level 2? Put 50% of your wealth into your Cold Iron Rock Quarry, and then invest the other 20% into your weapon factory, and bing bang boom, you have a completely viable business that took 0g from your wealth by level. Assuming your never run out cold-iron rocks (which why would you since you loaded up on MILLIONS of them earlier in your backstory), you have yourself a money machine.
Proley, thank you very much for this. It's time to ruin lives!
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Rock = Free
Geodes= Rocks with mineral formations on the interior
Onyx= Mineral
Thus, if one of your millions of free rocks is a Geode, it could, arguably, have Onyx inside.
So, if you're a necromancer, and lets say you're having trouble finding enough onyx to make all your undead minions, instead of tracking down 400 onyx gems worth 25g, you instead have bought your rocks, for free, which are geodes, containing Onyx inside. Now, have someone offer you 25g to buy each geode, and shazam! You have your undead minions.
Diamond is also a mineral found in rock formations, so if any spell requires a diamond, low and behold, you may very well have a diamond in amongst your rock pile. Wish just became much more accessible because even if, statistically, you have a 1 in a billion chance of finding a diamond that large in a mundane rock, you can afford to buy a trillion free rocks, meaning you have at least 1 diamond.
Considering all the different minerals, or high priced gems that serve as spell components, I don't see why every wizard doesn't have a dump-truck following them around loaded with free rocks.
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If you have a master thief then everything may as well be free. After all, if you steal something it's free, right?
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Stolen is a more free version of free. Go steal something you can eat, get it for free, and also buy it, then try to tell me you don't taste a difference. Stolen tastes so good!
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Items want to be free!
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Clubs and Quarterstaves are free. Firewood is not. Profit?
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Rocks. 99% of the time rocks are free,
"Oh, not like these, sir. Look at this! Feel the quality of that, that's craftmanship, sir."
(courtesy of Monty Python's Life of Brian).
Yes, some inconsistencies arise from that stuff being free.
First is what Corvino already touched: What happens if you use those things as something else that is not free. Slings as materials to make clothing, for example.
Second is that the definition of weapons includes them being especially crafted to be a weapon. By that anything that is free should be an improvised weapon.
Not to say that I'd change the fact that slings and clubs are free. It just can lead to problems.
A nominal or non-money cost could stop exploitation of this sort of thing. If a club, quarterstaff or rock cost "10 minutes of your time to find and prepare one" then merely adding that simple qualifier stops people dividing by zero.
As stated before, silly or not silly ideas, and just free items that exist please.
Rocks may be free, but ore is not. I would argue that cold iron bearing rocks are, in fact, ore.
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A great many environmental hazards can be harvested and weaponized for free:
5-foot patches of lava (shrunk via shrink item), clay jugs of green slime, fake scrolls (each with ten explosive runes spells 10—often detonated with a deliberately failed greater dispel magic check), flasks of brown mold, flasks of phosphorescent fungus (as torch), flasks of yellow mold, paper airplanes (as fake scrolls above)
All of the above is either absolutely free environmental scrounging (excluding the containers), or is absolutely free when you are able to cast the respective spells yourself.
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Scrolls typically come packaged in free snorkels. Once made the DM twitch by using this idea to save the party from a 'sky darkening' stirge swarm at 6th level. Not the solution he expected.
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*hummmm hummm* "The moon belongs to everyone! The best things in life are free! The stars belong to everyone, they gleam for you and me..." *cackle*
More practical things please! Gimme the free!
My ideas weren't practical?
I asked for MORE practical ones. Yours have been noted my good sir, and thank you for your contribution.
You guys are thinking too small scale...
Consider that something like your standard rock is free. Now, consider that a cold iron weapon doubles the cost of the weapon. What's the cost of 0x2? Well, looks like you have yourself a free cold-iron rock. Watch demons lament as you continue to bludgeon them with your thousands of free cold-iron rocks in the back of your wagon. Take Craft: Weapons, and smelt down your thousand Cold Iron rocks into something simple like, lets say a greatsword. Now you have your Cold Iron Greatsword (50gx2=100g) for free. Sell to the weapon seller for half-cost, heck, throw him a 70% discount, and enjoy your 30g you made for free and the eternal friendship of a vendor who got a bargain.
Rinse, wash, repeat, and you will have made 30*Infinite gold! Starting a character at level 2? Put 50% of your wealth into your Cold Iron Rock Quarry, and then invest the other 20% into your weapon factory, and bing bang boom, you have a completely viable business that took 0g from your wealth by level. Assuming your never run out cold-iron rocks (which why would you since you loaded up on MILLIONS of them earlier in your backstory), you have yourself a money machine.
I'm sure I'm just over-thinking this, and not how it actually applies to PF, but in my mind, cold iron weapons are accomplished with the process of beating iron with a hammer into weapons without the use of heat. A rock of iron has not been beaten, so is not considered 'cold iron'. Am I wrong?
Edit: what I mean to say, is that the post above that suggested throwing rocks of iron at a demon from a cart was causing cold-iron damage. I'm thinking this isn't the case. Now if that free iron is hammered into weapons, that's different, but without the hammering an iron rock is just a rock containing iron ore without 'cold iron' properties.
You double the base price of the weapon for cold iron, so you go buy your cold iron rocks at a price of free.
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Actually, stone goes for 350 sp per 45 lbs. Also, cold iron is a metal, not a rock.
Ah yes, that whole metal thing...
The dream is dead
Yes, "stone" has a cost, but what about "rock". :)
(For a very slightly more "mature" explanation than that tongue-in-cheek one, check out here: in other words, all stones are rocks, but not all rocks are stones.)
Also, that price works out to about .12857... silver per pound.
Also, Rock and ore. Thus, you can find rock that is, in fact, ore.
A rock has no price, it means that it's free; as it's free, you don't have to worry about the price of ore. Thus, just take craft (purified metal), acquire ore rocks, and go to town.
The dream liiiiiiiiiiiives!
EDITS: Lots. Wonderful toddlers are wonderful... but they can cause problems. :)
EDIT: Uh, wow.
5,000 gold of stone would, according to the price-requirements, weigh 6,428.57 lbs - more than double the recommended weight. That's some exceptional quality, being worth more than double the normal price of stone.
Stone giants are probably specialized, so that's about 500g for 1,500 lbs. of "stone". (Although if you use them "menial jobs" they only cost 75g! ... of course, an argument could also be made that you automatically under-feed him, and so he now weighs 175 lbs. ...)
What's the cost of a falling rocks trap? Ah: 2,000 gold.
Or, if you require stone and rock to be the same, MORE FREE MONEY! :D
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Serpentstone Rocks & Obsidian Chunks for your sling?
Silkweave/Dragonhide slings!
But really, let's start with the good old quarterstaff - it is not forced to be from wood, so start with Lead-lined steel, umbrite or gold Quarterstaffs!
Actually, stone goes for 350 sp per 45 lbs. Also, cold iron is a metal, not a rock.
Hey, could you provide a link? I'm not finding this entry anywhere.
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I was just talking to someone about how clubs, slings, rocks, and quarter staffs are absolutely free. What are other things weapons or not that are free? I'd like to have a list that exist so myself and others can reference for what to their characters at no cost.
If less than 1 copper piece could be considered free, then less than 20 lbs. of firewood would count. Also woodcutters are the hardest working people in Pathfinder. Taking 10 for a Profession (Woodcutter) check with a +0 modifier nets about 10,000 pounds of firewood per week, or 40,000 pounds per month.
Charcoal is really easy to make and sells for 5 silver pieces, which means that in 1 month, a woodcutter can collect wood, make charcoal the following month, and then retire.
But the awesomeness that is wood doesn't stop there. Eschew Materials can produce 1,980 lbs. of wood for use as a material component, which means that a sorcerer (or wizard with the feat) with fabricate can freely create cool things like wooden bridges, palisades, houses, doors, floors, siege engines, fences, walls, and even dire gazebos.
You can make stuff out of wood and rocks really fast. The amount of time it takes to craft things is based on the value of the materials / price of the object, so you can produce a lot of free stuff.
Slings and rocks are both free and infinitely better than firearms for their price. They don't need you to be a special class to use them, they get Strength to damage for free, they don't explode every 20 shots, don't require you to work a full time job for 9 years to buy one, and don't cost a day's work to fire once. And if you actually built a class around using slings with the same amount of emphasis on making them better as with firearms, they would be the most powerful weapon in the game.
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Back in the old days when 3.5 was new, we used to fill up our inventories with 100 slings each. Slings are free AND weightless. Tie a hundred of them together with use rope, and you've got an improvised rope ladder.
Then there's the classic Eschew Materials + Major Creation = Antimatter bomb.
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Don't you get a free set of clothes at character creation?
That you do! You also have to pay for your family heirloom as an ordinary weapon of that price.
I once played in a game with someone who killed off their artificer character to loot the old characters corpse. That was... interesting.
Things off dead people are free! Things you find in a dungeon are free. Warning though, there thar be dragons.
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Pig droppings?
Find a pig farmer, He may even pay you to take it. If movies have taught us anything its Pig**** = Fuel. Fuel = who rule Bartertown?
Now imagine what Trolls, Ogres, or dare I say Dragons could do for you.
You may have to compete with some Otyugh to corner the market. But summon a Gelatinous Cube and "clean up"
ILU tacticslion.
The same to you, buddy!
I hope it's not short for "I kilL yoU."
True, true. In which case: nah. I got, like, totally mad ninja skills (which I proved today by rolling to my feat after falling backwards over a table bench I was sitting on down a hill - good times, good times*).
Actually, stone goes for 350 sp per 45 lbs. Also, cold iron is a metal, not a rock.Hey, could you provide a link? I'm not finding this entry anywhere.
As far as Stone costs, I could only find this:
Special Materials: StoneStone
Source: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Ultimate Combat
Cost 1/4 normal.; Weight 3/4 normal.
DESCRIPTION
Stone Age weapons almost always utilize stone in some way. From rocks lashed to wooden hafts to create early maces and axes, to flint knives and stone arrowheads, these primitive weapons are still deadly.
Weapons Light and one-handed bludgeoning weapons, spears, and arrowheads can all be made of stone. Weapons made of stone have half the hardness of their base weapons, and have the fragile quality.
Armor Armor cannot usually be constructed from stone, but advanced, often alchemically enhanced stone armor made by dwarves or other stone-working cultures does exist (see stone coat).
Cost/Weight (Longer Wording) "Stone weapons cost a quarter of what base items of their type do, and weigh 75% of what base items of their type do."
... which is for the weapon, not the substance.
Stonage weapons exist, but, you know, that's still for weapons.
Stone walls floors, and Doors (found here, sort of - you have to click two links to get what you want, really) don't have a price.
Quarries cost 6 BP, and you can convert BP-to-gold by multiplying it by 3,000 (more or less - on average, based on withdrawal/deposit options), and quarries produce you know, I really don't care, you guys do the research.
So that really doesn't tell us anything worthwhile - eventually, the quarry will pay for itself, and you've effectively got free money via start-up investment (within six months, if you're collecting taxes month seven is all profit, and it can theoretically last for about 40 years based on one article I read...).
I mean, Google doesn't seem to know either, even D&D 3.5 searches, at least on the first page.
So anyway, interrupted by life, and then spent eight hours not finishing this research or finding anything valid so... I'll just accept that it's either not RAW, or it is RAW, but my rules-fu failed me. If anyone has a site, I'd love to see it.
* No, but seriously. How does a guy (me) go through an entire breakfast/lunch in a solid white shirt eating red-sauce drenched pasta, meatballs, and similar foods, and avoid getting a single stain... only to succumb to gravity and have grass ruin yet another fine shirt. Stupid Murphy.
ILU tacticslion.The same to you, buddy!
im pretty sure its supposed to mean i love you, actually.
just thinking about it, reducing 'i love you' to an acronym is kind of sad.
anyway, before this gets too creepy what i really meant was i enjoy reading your posts.
im not really a text-speak kind of person myself, but i enjoy doing it in an ironic sort of fashion sometimes :)
ROLFLOL! <insert other text-based-memes here>! EDIT: I heart you to, bro!
I do a bit of the l33t sp34k on occasion myself for the "lulz" as well. I'm just... not always proficient with it. :D
Regardless, we're cool.
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I do a bit of the l33t sp34k on occasion myself for the "lulz" as well. I'm just... not always proficient with it. :D
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