Were the bad guys a DC reference? I was sort of confused, because I felt I should know their employer, but didn't.
I think this is Alfred not too long out of the military. I think as the show goes on there'll be some sandpaper taken to the rough edges.
Episode 2 was much better than episode 1.
Yeah, the trailer looks good! I just hope it's half as good as it looks and then Fox doesn't do a Fox and cancel it after one season.They sold it to channel 9 in Australia who also have arrow. Maybe a sign its paid for to season 2.
it's not a Whedon show, so it should be safe.
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it's not a Whedon show, so it should be safe.Yeah, the trailer looks good! I just hope it's half as good as it looks and then Fox doesn't do a Fox and cancel it after one season.They sold it to channel 9 in Australia who also have arrow. Maybe a sign its paid for to season 2.
Dude, you have issues.
What? I'm just stating facts. Fox did cancel Firefly after only one season despite fan outcry and support. It lead to a fervent belief that Fox hated whedon or something, considering some of the utterly awful shows that received second and even third seasons.
I also found it funny that Bruce was listening to rock music.
Where the 2 bad guys robots? I liked the second episode better than the first
Also what up with penguin and the future predictions? Does he have any kind of abilities? Not big into the comics but not remembering him this crazy.
Were the bad guys a DC reference? I was sort of confused, because I felt I should know their employer, but didn't.
The "Dollmaker" that they work for (referenced one time in a single scene) was the villian in a Catwoman arc from near the beginning of the New 52 era in the comics. The plot of that arc also revolved around homeless kids going missing aroudn Gotham and no one caring.
I won't be surprised if this isn't a trend through the series--using relatively unknown, used-once-and-forgotten villians from the comics as the "villian of the week."
Kids going missing almost sounds like one of the things they used with the Circus gang in the Batman Returns movie from the 90s.
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Dollmaker was also in an Arrow season 2 episode, portrayed as a serial killer of young women (but not children).
On a different note, I just realized that penguins consume fish - which isn't a good sign for Fish Mooney's longevity.
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I also found it funny that Bruce was listening to rock music.
"Punk is nothing but death and crime and the rage of the beast!"
I'm really enjoying it so far. Loving Sean Pertwee as Alfred and Donal Logue as Bullock. The guy who plays Penguin as well... damn. Fantastic. Watching his rise is probably going to end up being my favourite part of the series.
I got to say I disagree...
So far I have been mostly disappointed in Gotham. It really feels like they can't decide if they are emulating Nolan or Adam West in the storylines, and instead they are a weird blend of both.
I guess I wanted to see a gritty Gotham police procedural...and that is not what I am getting.
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I think the actor playing Edward Nygma is going to make a scary Riddler some day.
Best case: I could see this series running for about five years, as Bruce begins his training, and Gordon rises through the ranks. Once Bruce reaches 18, they can transition into a reboot movie series, starting with Year One.
They did pack a lot of villains-to-be into the pilot. If they stick with this group for a while, and introduce others slowly (a handful per season), it might work. If they try to introduce a different future member of the rogues gallery every week, I'm afraid they'll overload the audience by the end of this season.
I got to say I disagree...
So far I have been mostly disappointed in Gotham. It really feels like they can't decide if they are emulating Nolan or Adam West in the storylines, and instead they are a weird blend of both.
I guess I wanted to see a gritty Gotham police procedural...and that is not what I am getting.
See I'm not familiar with much to do with Batman prior to the first Burton film (which came out the year I was born). So for me, Batman is those films, the Nolan trilogy, the Arkham games and the very occasional comic I've read (for the most part I don't read Marvel or DC, my taste in comics runs to Vertigo and a lot of independent stuff. Not all super serious, I love Atomic Robo and a lot of other jokey stuff, but most hero comics bore me).
I wasn't going into this looking for gritty or anything in particular, I just wanted an entertaining show featuring the characters that I'm familiar with (Between the movies and the pop culture osmosis effect I know them pretty well). Between Sean Pertwee, Donal Logue and Robin Lord Taylor's performances as Alfred, Bullock and Penguin respectively, I'm getting what I'm after. Oh and Cory Michael Smith is pretty good as Nygma too, I'd like to see more of him.
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Well, this week's episode has cemented Penguin's place as my favourite part of the series. He's just so adorably psychotic.
yeah.......... young penguin is awesome.... unfortunately I couldn't keep telling myself "This is how Joker kept the loot at the beginning of Dark Knight"
To be fair, it was a common plot device long before that film came along. The Joker also had a much more elaborate way of dealing with it, by getting the henchmen to kill each other off.
loved the special effects of venom and the development of Bruce.
That was the best episode yet.
Felt pretty "Batman-y" to me (as subjective as that is).
I thought it was interesting that they were introducing a prototype version of venom so early in the story line. I expected that particular plot point to come into it far later. Definitely a good episode though.
Still loving that Penguin. Good to see that, although his plans are still working, he's also getting a few hard knocks in there to teach him the dangers of being over confident.
if the show is to follow the comics how powerful/influence should the penguin get? does he control a large gang . Ive only followed him on the batman cartoons and the old 60's tv show/tim burton movie and in all cases hes got a small gang or penguin subjects
if the show is to follow the comics how powerful/influence should the penguin get? does he control a large gang . Ive only followed him on the batman cartoons and the old 60's tv show/tim burton movie and in all cases hes got a small gang or penguin subjects
In recent comics continuity the Penguin is cast as one of the major mob bosses in Gotham. As such he has considerable power and influence along with a host of underlings working for him. It is a much more refined and beleiveable character than version presented in the Silver Age, and Burton's Penguin had only superficial similarities to any other version of the character that I've seen (much like his Joker from the first movie).
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The best use of Penguin started in the DCAU, where he became a legitimate businessman, proprietor of the Iceberg Lounge. It was a trendy place to go, and attracted a lot of high society types.
It was also a front. In the front, Cobblepot got to play nicey-nice and hobnob with the legitimate folks in Gotham. In the back, he ran weapons, fenced goods, etc. Batman knew about it, but he allowed it to run - he could close Penguin down any time he wanted, but he found he could lean on Penguin to find out what the "baddie of the week" was up to. As bad as Penguin's illicit dealings are, they're small potatoes compared to what Bane, Freeze or (God forbid) The Joker could plan.
The comics briefly followed this line, but since they have to shake things up often, it didn't last. They have a different audience and rhythm to cater to, so his legitimacy only lasted as long as it was interesting.
not feeling this show which sucks because I like donal logue a lot
I read something about this show to the effect of 'the cops think they're in nolan batman and the villains think they're in adam west batman' which I think is extremely on point
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I like that dichotomy, honestly. The juxtaposition of just how b+%$$#$ insane most of the villains are with the cops acting like (relatively) normal people in reaction to it is fun.
Yeah, I'm with Rynjin on this one. I like the idea of cops trying to go about business as usual while dealing with what appears to be a plague of, to be frank, complete and utter nutters descending on their turf.
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if you guys enjoy that angle then great; it just articulated one of the things which made the show not mesh for me
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If you think about it, insane villains should be acting insane, while cops should behave like stable custodians of the peace
Edit: although Gordon's partner, the almost-dirty-cop who thinks outside the box all the time, could be moving slowly into the insane group (kinda fights fire with fire in terms of understanding the villains, while Gordon is more by the book)
no, not really. they're not acting insane so much as camp.
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I read something about this show to the effect of 'the cops think they're in nolan batman and the villains think they're in adam west batman' which I think is extremely on point
Yeah, actually I totally agree with this.
And I like it. (If it was all Nolan Batman, I'd probably drop Gotham. Boring and dreary. Bring on at least some camp, AFAIC.)
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Entitled "Penguin's Umbrella" this episode is my favorite by far.
This episode progresses the main plot forward, and unexplained story arc points come to light.
Cameo of Victor Zsasz, we see the Penguin's criminal mind at work, I liked the character of Harvey Bullock, last week's show brought to light another side of Bullock, in this episode its hard not to cheer him on, I even LOVED the Mayor in his brief part.
I hope this series grows further with more episodes like this one.
