Alternate Racial Traits


Rules Questions


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

I know there was a ruling a while back about Half-Elf and Half-Orc being both human and elf/orc for the purpose of, well just about everything; including traits. However in practice I am a bit unclear on something.

How could a Half-Orc take something like Heart of the Fields from Human Alternate Racial Traits when that would replace the Skilled Race Trait that the Half-Orc doesn't have? I understand other types of Traits being able to be taken because they are not written to replace something.

Sczarni

Those are racial traits.


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Nefreet wrote:
Those are racial traits.

Yeah... that question comes up all the time. I swear I've explained it a few dozen times. Here's one of them!

MrSin wrote:
Racial traits and race traits are two different things. Racial traits are those inherent in your race, and alternative racial traits just trade out what your race already has(in ancient enmity's case hatred), to make your class more customizable. No limit on the number of those you can take so long as you can trade them out(can't take both craftsman and lorekeeper because they both replace greed because you only have one greed, natch.) Race traits are those optional traits in the traits section of the book. You can take as many traits as your GM lets you, but for arbitrary reasons the book says you can only take one of each type(can't take 2 social traits, its impossible for you to have 2 traits from a social experiences growing up apparently...)

Sczarni

HERE is the FAQ in question.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

What MrSin said in his quote of himself is spot on. I really wish Paizo would have used a different 2nd word, instead of "racial traits" and "race traits". Would greatly reduce the confusion about that.

Scarab Sages

"Racial abilities" might be the term I'd favor, the problem being some of them are racial disabilities - I'm not sure, how about "racial properties?"

None of this ever bothered me much, but for those for whom it does, it could also help to stop referring to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma as "ability scores" and instead as "attributes."


Racial characteristics? Racial aptitudes?


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
"Racial abilities" might be the term I'd favor, the problem being some of them are racial disabilities - I'm not sure, how about "racial properties?"

Features or qualities wouldn't be shared. You could also replace traits with the term background traits or something similar. Maybe if they ever need a revamp I'm sure they won't use the same name twice again... I hope.

Grand Lodge

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MrSin wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
"Racial abilities" might be the term I'd favor, the problem being some of them are racial disabilities - I'm not sure, how about "racial properties?"
Features or qualities wouldn't be shared. You could also replace traits with the term background traits or something similar. Maybe if they ever need a revamp I'm sure they won't use the same name twice again... I hope.

Well, just remember that it is not quite on the same level of use as level.

Although a Pathfinder 2.0, just to actually, I don't know, put rules on the same thing into a single area, so you don't have to reference half a dozen things to find out that you can't make, for example, potions of personal range spells...

Sczarni

Ever notice that pregen Lem carries a potion of Expeditious Retreat?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

To answer your question, you can only take the Half orc ability swap that is in the race entry in the Advanced Race Guide.

You can, however, still take traits that are tied to the human race.

Keep in mind, some books actually refer to the traits differently, so Race and Racial is used interchangably even though one term is supposed to be for the Race Abilities in the Race entry instead of traits that are taken for background. This only adds to the confusion.

To be clear, the swap outs under the race entry can not be used by another race in almost all circumstances. These are the abilities that replace other abilities. "This replaces X"

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