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@ Dogan
Thank you for the plug leading to the Pax Gaming "Community". We appreciate any opportunity for people to become aware of us and explore our pages!
You are very welcome, Bringslite. You seem to think it is some kind of victory that I posted a link to Pax Gaming. I find that curious, as it is indicative of a combative frame of reference rather than a cooperative one. Sigh.
I've got friends in Pax, so (contrary to what everyone wants to assume) I'm not an enemy of them, and I hope they continue to get lots of members from those who feel comfortable in that organization.
No one seems to get my point, so it must be me. The ONLY point I am making is that it is not quite the same situation as the TEO/T7V alliance. To say otherwise is 'spin'.
I'd rather everyone just be honest and say that multiple PaxGaming groups are working on getting Settlements in the Land Rush 2, but have assured everyone that they will not be any more likely to cooperate with each other than they are to cooperative with Settlements outside of the PaxGaming global umbrella. You have hudreds of members (if not thousands), so it isn't surprising that you'd want several LandRush 2 Settlements.
So, I repeat: I'm fine with that.
I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm not suggesting that there be any limit on how many Settlements a gaming community gets. I'm not saying that the TEO/T7V alliance is superior.
I'm just saying that it isn't the same situation since T7V and TEO are not part of the same global gaming community. They are totally separate organizations without any external relationships and/or commitments.
Any inference that I feel differently is just that and I reject the attribution of motive or intent.
Go get'm Pax dudes and dudettes! Rah! :)
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Goblin Squad Member
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@ Dogan
Thank you for the plug leading to the Pax Gaming "Community". We appreciate any opportunity for people to become aware of us and explore our pages!
You are very welcome, Bringslite. You seem to think it is some kind of victory that I posted a link to Pax Gaming. I find that curious, as it is indicative of a combative frame of reference rather than a cooperative one. Sigh.
I've got friends in Pax, so (contrary to what everyone wants to assume) I'm not an enemy of them, and I hope they continue to get lots of members from those who feel comfortable in that organization.
No one seems to get my point, so it must be me. The ONLY point I am making is that it is not quite the same situation as the TEO/T7V alliance. To say otherwise is 'spin'.
I'd rather everyone just be honest and say that multiple PaxGaming groups are working on getting Settlements in the Land Rush 2, but have assured everyone that they will not be any more likely to cooperate with each other than they are to cooperative with Settlements outside of the PaxGaming global umbrella. You have hudreds of members (if not thousands), so it isn't surprising that you'd want several LandRush 2 Settlements.
So, I repeat: I'm fine with that.
I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm not suggesting that there be any limit on how many Settlements a gaming community gets. I'm not saying that the TEO/T7V alliance is superior.
I'm just saying that it isn't the same situation since T7V and TEO are not part of the same global gaming community. They are totally separate organizations without any external relationships and/or commitments.
Any inference that I feel differently is just that and I reject the attribution of motive or intent.
Go get'm Pax dudes and dudettes! Rah! :)
We respect your opinion, Dogan.
Here is the crux of the matter. Golgotha allied with us the same way TEO and TSV allied with each other. The meta gaming community umbrella we are under in regards to Pathfinder Online should be ignored for clarity sake. Unless you have an intimate knowledge of how Pax Gaming works, we know what it looks like from the outside looking in, and it takes a while to wrap your head around it.
The Inner Sanctum (Executive Council) regulates the "Pax" side of things. The Inner Sanctum won't be telling us where to place our settlements, who to ally with, or any of the Empire business. They make sure we aren't violating EULAs, aren't giving our recruits special treatment, manage how other organizations like Golgotha become integrated into Pax Gaming. Each IS member is the leader of their own Guild.
While I cannot speak for them, I do speak from experience as I am a former Inner Sanctum member myself.
Personally, I agree that in addition to Aeternum, another "home grown" Pax division (ie Fidelis), would violate the Spirit of the Second Land Rush. Many feel the same way.
Golgotha is not home grown. We allied with them. After a time, it simply made sense for them to become a Division in Pax Gaming.
As far as the nuts and bolts go, in Pathfinder Online the alliance between Golgotha and Aeternum vs TEO and T7V are identical in nature. Separate goals, chains of command, ideals, etc. Outside of Pathfinder Online, they both belong to Pax Gaming meta community.
So overall, yes you are correct. There is a minor difference in the two alliances. In regards to Pathfinder Online... that difference disappears for us, regardless of how it looks on the outside.
I know right now, we have NO plans to "flood" the land rush to gain lots of settlements. I very sincerely doubt that will happen at all. What will happen is we will engage other organizations that are voting. If they want to join the Empire, that's up to them. The point is the Empire of Xeilias is NOT Pax Gaming. It's a Pathfinder Online national entity, just like TEO and TSV.
I personally think it only fair that Golgotha be allowed to vote in the Land Rush 2, but that isn't my lane. No member of Aeternum can make or stop the Golgothans from doing anything.
I hope you don't take this as "spin" Dogan. Its not. We are both looking at exactly the same thing. The only difference is I am looking at it from the inside out and you are looking at it from the outside in.
-Areks
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@ Dogan
First, thank you for clarifying exactly how you feel about things. You were coming across, at least to me, as if you resented the situation in a passive-aggressive way. I replied in kind, mostly trying to be amusing. If you were/are not resentful and I was not funny, I sincerely apologize.
Second, I don't think that anyone said it was the exact same situation as TSV/TEO (both of which are FULL of people that I would call friends and/or respect very much). The only thing that IS the same is that all four organizations STARTED as separate entities, are separate entities and were destined to want their own settlements.
Third, and finally, I feel no victory. I admit that I was trying to point out that Pax is a large "Gaming Community" of many, many guilds in many, many games. If I offended you, I again apologize. Hobs and Charlie George and Areks have summed up the situation very well. Far better than I could.
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Cool guys. No hard feelings or anything. I just didn't want to come across as saying something that I wasn't. I have a bit of a sense of how it works in Pax as I know someone from there and they have assured me that there is intent on keeping the PfO orgs separate. I do hope to see you guys have a real 'we want to see you go away' (not just pretend) type of war one day. That would be fun to see.
As for me and my house, we just plan to have fun! Look forward to seeing you in game.