So I had this idea for a character, a Social Darwinist Monk/Druid who fervently believes in physical perfection and survival of the fittest. The two classes have a lot of synergy in both theme and mechanics so I thought it would be a good fit. But after hours of reading threads I still have no idea how this combo works.
She's a Skilled Human Drunken Master, Master of Many Styles, Monk of the Sacred Mountain Monk 4/World Walker Druid 5
Her feats are: Feral Combat Training (Claws), Dragon Style, Dragon Ferocity, Shaping Focus, Boon Companion, Multiattack, Snake Style, Skill Focus (Sense Motive), Skill Focus (Survival).
She has a strength of 14 and a +1 Amulet of Mighty Fists.
Questions:
1. Do I qualify for Multiattack?
2. Can I use Style Feats while Wild Shaped?
3. If so, how does Dragon Style interact with my attacks?
4. Is Feral Combat Training necessary to benefit from Dragon Style with natural attacks?
5. Can I Wild Shape into a Huge Lion?
6. If so, what would my attack routine look like as a Huge Lion?
So I far I'm thinking +11(1d8+11) +9(1d8+6) +9(1d8+6) but I'm really confused.
1. Yes, since you can shapeshift into something with three or more natural attacks.
2. Sure, nothing in the rules stops you from doing this.
3. Does Nothing at all.
4. Yes, and it only affects one natural attack RAW, I wouldn't choose bite.
5. No, there are no huge lions in any of the beastiaries, you'd have to add a template to one, and you can't Wildshape into templated creatures.
6. NA
prototype00
Technically, if you are enlarged while you are wildshaped into a dire lion you should become huge, so just put the regular adjustments from the spell. Yes, I´m aware it is not quite as good as the adjustments you´d normally get, but unless your DM lets you use templated wildshapes, that is how it is.
(As far as I know beast shape does not change your type so enlarge person should still apply. If you become an animal, well, there´s animal growth :D)
You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.
According to this they don't stack.
prototype00
So I had this idea for a character, a Social Darwinist Monk/Druid who fervently believes in physical perfection and survival of the fittest. The two classes have a lot of synergy in both theme and mechanics so I thought it would be a good fit. But after hours of reading threads I still have no idea how this combo works.
She's a Skilled Human Drunken Master, Master of Many Styles, Monk of the Sacred Mountain Monk 4/World Walker Druid 5
Her feats are: Feral Combat Training (Claws), Dragon Style, Dragon Ferocity, Shaping Focus, Boon Companion, Multiattack, Snake Style, Skill Focus (Sense Motive), Skill Focus (Survival).
She has a strength of 14 and a +1 Amulet of Mighty Fists.
Questions:
1. Do I qualify for Multiattack?
2. Can I use Style Feats while Wild Shaped?
3. If so, how does Dragon Style interact with my attacks?
4. Is Feral Combat Training necessary to benefit from Dragon Style with natural attacks?
5. Can I Wild Shape into a Huge Lion?
6. If so, what would my attack routine look like as a Huge Lion?
So I far I'm thinking +11(1d8+11) +9(1d8+6) +9(1d8+6) but I'm really confused.
First off you are missing a prereq for FCT. You must have Weapon Focus (claw) for FCT (claw).
3/4. Your first claw does 1 1/2 Str bonus + 1/2 Str bonus. (Note that this is different than 2X Str bonus.) and all other claw attacks are at 1 1/2 Str bonus. Rake attacks are claws, so they get the bonus too.
5. RAW, no. But there is always the Allosaurus. But in a homebrew game you can always ask the GM.
6. Huge dire lion (Assuming your GM let you) would be:
Bite +10/2d6+6, 2 claw +11/d8+8, and on a charge 2 claw +11/d8+8 (first claw hit gets an additional +2)
BAB +6
Str +5 (20 str)
AoMF +1,
size -2
Total: +10
Thanks for the replies everyone! I think I've finally got the hang of it.
So now I've replaced my Skill Focus with Weapon Focus (Natural Attack) and I've decided to go with Dire Lion since I don't think a dinosaur would be appropriate for this campaign.
So now my attacks would be like:
Bite +11(1d8+4) Claw +9(1d8+9) Claw +9(1d8+7)
But now with a bit more reading, I'm wondering if I can mix in unarmed strikes as well? I am not opposed to the idea of being a Kung Fu Lion.
If so, would it look like this?
US +11(1d8+9) US +5(1d8+7) Claw +9(1d8+7) Claw +9(1d8+7) Bite +9(1d8+3)
Weapon Focus (natural attack) is not legal. You have to pick a specific natural attack like Weapon Focus (Claw) or Weapon Focus (Bite)
Thanks for the catch!
Revised calculations:
Natural Attacks only: Bite +10(1d8+4) Claw +9(1d8+9) Claw +9(1d8+7)
Unarmed Strike and Natural Attacks: US +10(1d8+9) US +5(1d8+7) Claw +9(1d8+7) Claw +9(1d8+7) Bite +8(1d8+3)
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Check out dire tiger over lion, it is a bit better on damage and abilities. Can reflavor/reskin it a bit if you want a maned tiger or something.
You are probably better off with the wpn focus on your claws rather than bite.
There is some question as to whether animal's have access to unarmed strike in game so make sure that works with your GM. I know in PFS animals cannot use feats or abilities based on unarmed strike so your mount cannot take Dragon Style. How this applies to druids is unclear.
Check out dire tiger over lion, it is a bit better on damage and abilities. Can reflavor/reskin it a bit if you want a maned tiger or something.
You are probably better off with the wpn focus on your claws rather than bite.
There is some question as to whether animal's have access to unarmed strike in game so make sure that works with your GM. I know in PFS animals cannot use feats or abilities based on unarmed strike so your mount cannot take Dragon Style. How this applies to druids is unclear.
Where did you get that animals cannot use unarmed strike?
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You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.According to this they don't stack.
prototype00
Enlarge Person is not a Polymorph sepll though. It is in the Transmutation school, but it is not listed as part of the polymorph subschool. RAW, you can have Enlarge person active with Wile Shape.
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RAW, you can have Enlarge person active with Wile Shape.False.
Wild Shape is Beast Shape a Polymorph effect.
Other spells (such as non-polymorph enlarge person) have no effect while under the effects of polymorph.So no you can't.
d'oh, should have finished reading the paragraph. Missed the " In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell." line.
My mistake.
The description in the bestiary lists types of creatures that can make unarmed strikes, and in PFS Mike Brock as said that animals can't use style feats that require unarmed strike.
There is nothing in the Bestiaries that limits what creatures can make unarmed strikes that I have found. He needs to put it in a FAQ or errata for it to be official. He knows that.