Is this dragon disciple nova legal?


Rules Questions


Hi all. If u have a BAB of +10/5 and had quickened spell feat for shocking grasp... Could u attack with natural claws (assume I have em) twice AND deliver two quickened shocking grasps at the same time? If yes then what are limits, penalties, or limitations? I think I'd have to b holding them but I'm not sure. Thx for the help in advance.


Only one quickened spell per round, and I think you may need a feat to cast while in dragon form. Also BAB is irrelevant because natural attacks don't use iterative attacks.


seebs wrote:
Only one quickened spell per round, and I think you may need a feat to cast while in dragon form. Also BAB is irrelevant because natural attacks don't use iterative attacks.

U pretty answered the question in the first line but for clarification I wasn't in dragon form but rather using claws from say 1st level sorcerer or other such options.


Okay. Even so, natural attacks should (I think) not use iterative attacks.

And you could come into the round with a touch spell, and attack, but I don't think you're allowed to do the quickened spell between attacks.


I'm pretty sure you can cast while in dragon form. All dragon can cast spells, you have to be a very lowly useless worm of a dragon to not be able to cast any spell. But I don't think you can cast spells normally while doing attack or full attacks, so you will have to choose using one quicken spell with a full attacks or one quicken spell with another spell.


What you are looking for is Chill Touch or Produce Flame, not Shocking Grasp. Those allow multiple touches per casting, and can be delivered via either touch attack or natural weapons. And no Quicken is required ... first round, cast Chill Touch, move in, make a touch attack ... second round, make your normal series of natural attacks, and deliver Chill Touches each time you hit in addition to your normal damage. Until you run out of Chill Touches.

For druids, Produce Flame works well with wildshape to do the same thing, but you can get double the number of touches if you extend the spell.


The spell description says "Your successful melee touch attack..." - so Quickened would not help you get an extra (swift action) melee touch attack. It would just mean that you could CAST the spell as swift action, but you would still have to make EITHER a claw attack OR a melee touch attack or (if your BAB allowed), one of each.

The Quickened spell would provide the chance to get in TWO attacks, but not FOUR (by allowing you to cast as a swift instead of a standard, then take a full attack action).

The same logic applies to Chill Touch and Produce Flame. I don't know where it says you can deliver them via natural weapons in either spell description - they are different melee touch attacks, not additions to natural weapon attacks.


quibblemuch wrote:
I don't know where it says you can deliver them via natural weapons in either spell description - they are different melee touch attacks, not additions to natural weapon attacks.

Here is the link to the rule. The actual rule is:

Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.


Thanks!


Also the Magus via spell strike can do the same thing (deliver the spell via his/her weapon attack).

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