Deverish Dance used in conjunction with a Magus' s Spell Combat


Rules Questions


I keep seeing builds with a dervish dancing magus.

The probelm is that Dervish Dance and Spell Combat should not work together. Just like dervish dance and free hand fighter abilities do not work.

In dervish dance you are required to have a free hand. This is for balance if you ever watched the dancers the ability was created off of. You have to have a free hand so no weapon, shield (including buckler) or potion or anything in your palm. When your drinking a potion, that off hand is not free. Though RAW you could still have the potion while using dervish dance.

Spell Combat functions like two weapon fighting, except your casting a spell rather than holding a weapon. Since it functions as two weapon fighting, the. The off hand is not free. It is being used for combat as if you had a weapon in it. Thus, you have two weapon fighting styled penalties that get better as you go up in levels.

The same problem with free hand fighter, as soon as you start using that off hand for something other than dervish dancing, you lose the dervish dancing ability because your disarming or what not with hand.

So is this how the rule gurus feel? Or has this post already been answered somewhere else?

Scarab Sages

Dervish Dance says nothing about requiring a free hand. "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

When you cast a spell are you carrying a shield or weapon in that hand?

If you are going to argue RAW you should really pay close attention to what is actually written.

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