They are inherently a bad thing and unfair.
The fact that some players enjoy being treated poorly and unfairly does not change that.
Masochism is a thing, after all.
Please keep your subjective opinion subjective. I'm jumping in because this is not flag worthy and I say this in all respect, Zhayne.
But the fact that you don't like it, and that you feel justified by a majority of other players not liking it, does not make you judge of what is inherently bad, nor who is a masochist.
RDM42 was generalizing a personal experience. A point has been made that this cannot be accepted as an argument in favour of fumbles - fair enough. But flawed does not inherently bad. People having fun with fumbles are not inherently wrong. People seeking to make fumbles work are not inherently masochists (or stooges for that matter).
If such is your opinion; that's cool. But please state it as an opinion.
'findel
I think the more diplomatic way to express views against fumbles is, "Anecdotal evidence is not evidence."
A lot of folks have done the math to support the view that fumbles are a mathematical issue. I don't believe I've ever seen math that supports fumbles, however, "fun" isn't a value we can accurately grant a numerical value to.
If your group likes them and it increases their "fun," fantastic! If you don't like them, remove them, and it enhances the "fun," again, fantastic!
My only real suggestion is to make sure the impact applies relatively equally to all.