[PFS] Sable Company / Sky Stalker


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Wow, second visit to the rules forum today.

My darling fiance noticed a nicely sculpted hippogriff mini at our FLGS and asked me if she could play a character with a hippogriff (which would therefore, allow her to guilt me into buying it for her, of course). I was doing some research and I have to say, what I found has left me totally confused.

OK! So, according to the PFSRD, there is a Ranger archetype called the Sky Stalker that gives up favored terrain and hunters bond for a Hippogriff companion. Sky Stalker comes from a paizo blog and neither are not mentioned in the Additional Resources section for PFS. But, the blog mentioned Sable Company. The Additional Resources does mention that the Sable Company from Varisia: Birthplace of Legends as legal. So, I dug through my stuffs to find it and it says that the Sable Company is a role that players can build their characters around.

...so... can she have a Hippogriff or not? lol I am totally confused, because it talks about having a preferred mount as a hippogriff, but doesn't say if they get one or not and doesn't explain how the heck Roles work.

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This would be better posted in the PFS forum.

I wouldn't go by what d20pfsrd has to say. It's a 3rd party site and not affiliated with PFS, despite those letters being present in their URL.

Not everything on the Paizo blog is legal in PFS. When in doubt, the Additional Resources document is your friend. If the option you want is not listed there, it's not a legal option in PFS.

Which, I'm sad to tell your wife, means no Hippogriff =(.

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Nefreet wrote:


Not everything on the Paizo blog is legal in PFS. When in doubt, the Additional Resources document is your friend. If the option you want is not listed there, it's not a legal option in PFS.

Yes. I know. I said I am confused on what is listed there. The Additional Resources says the the Sable Company from Varisia: Birthplace of Legends is legal. But the section about the Sable Company isn't exactly very clear on what it does.

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It's a "Role".

Varisia, Birthplace of Legends wrote:

What Are Roles?

This Player Companion introduces a new feature called “roles.” Roles can be considered builds, templates, or kits for creating new characters tied to a specific premise. Each of these versatile themes highlights rules and roleplaying elements tying new characters to the Pathfinder campaign setting. These roles draw upon options and campaign details from the full range of Pathfinder products, so you don’t have to hunt for the perfect feat or character inspiration. Every aspect of a role is just a suggestion, and roles present multiple ways to create a character, so feel free to make other choices or personalize roles in whatever ways most appeal to you.

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The S in d20pfsrd stands for system. As in Pathfinder System Reference Document. Not Pathfinder Society Reference Document

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Ok, so it is just a template. And the template is legal to play... if you can somehow figure out a way to get all the stuff. In this case, you are allowed to use a hippogriff! ...if you can find out a way to get one! Too bad there isn't one. But if there was, man that would be cool and totes legal for PFS!

I'm sorry if I am totally just not getting it, but what exactly is the point of legalizing templates in PFS?

BTW, thanks for the help. :D

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minoritarian wrote:
The S in d20pfsrd stands for system. As in Pathfinder System Reference Document. Not Pathfinder Society Reference Document
Koujow wrote:


OK! So, according to the PFSRD, there is a Ranger archetype called the Sky Stalker that gives up favored terrain and hunters bond for a Hippogriff companion. Sky Stalker comes from a paizo blog and neither are not mentioned in the Additional Resources section for PFS. But, the blog mentioned Sable Company. The Additional Resources does mention that the Sable Company from Varisia: Birthplace of Legends as legal.

Bolded for emphasis, since it has come up twice now. I was checking the PFSRD for quick reference of all pathfinder material. I am fully aware that not everything is legal in PFS and that is why I was cross checking information with the PFS ADDITIONAL MATERIALS SECTION. The question is about clarifying what something in the additional materials section means.

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Koujow wrote:

I'm sorry if I am totally just not getting it, but what exactly is the point of legalizing templates in PFS?

BTW, thanks for the help. :D

Pathfinder is a roleplaying game. "Roles" were introduced to help players design a character that fit within the campaign, rather than just saying "I grew up in a small town, became a guard, and now I'm here" as your character background.

Don't think of it as a template, think of it as a "role".

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Koujow wrote:
d20PFSRD, there is a Ranger archetype called the Sky Stalker

d20pfsrd shouldn't ever be used, it is 3rd party, has many errors, and must rename everything.

It is extremely likely that sky stalker = sable company marine.

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The lovely thing about Paizo's production schedule is that even if something is unavailable now, there's the possibility that it might appear in an upcoming publication.

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The Sable Company marine archetype, with the hippogriff is from the Curse of the Crimson Throne adventure path, and is not legal for PFS play as far as I've ever been able to tell.

The d20pfsrd is just a renamed version of that, as James pointed out above I believe.

Not sure if there's another Korvosa source book anywhere that might have added it in legally or not.

The Role described in the Varisia book is not the archetype, just descriptive fluff, and really should not have been made 'legal' if only to avoid this sort of confusion.

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John Compton wrote:
The lovely thing about Paizo's production schedule is that even if something is unavailable now, there's the possibility that it might appear in an upcoming publication.

You mean like Inner Sea Combat, which the product description specifically mentions "mastering monstrous mounts"?

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Dylos wrote:
John Compton wrote:
The lovely thing about Paizo's production schedule is that even if something is unavailable now, there's the possibility that it might appear in an upcoming publication.
You mean like Inner Sea Combat, which the product description specifically mentions "mastering monstrous mounts"?

Bumping this so I can confirm my suspicions, Inner Sea Combat has rules for a Hippogriff companion for anyone with "divine bond (mount), hunter’s bond (animal companion), or mount class feature with an effective druid level of 4."

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If you just want a Hippogriff/Griffon and don't really mind about the whole mount levelling up with you, you could just buy one from Ultimate Equipment - they are large so Additional Resources say they are perfectly legal. Just spend the 5k gold for a Hippogriff...

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Ellias Aubec wrote:
If you just want a Hippogriff/Griffon and don't really mind about the whole mount levelling up with you, you could just buy one from Ultimate Equipment - they are large so Additional Resources say they are perfectly legal. Just spend the 5k gold for a Hippogriff...

Nope. They're Magical Beasts, not Animals.

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you might wanna check animal archive, since several of the purchaseable mounts there are legal in PFS.

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Ellias Aubec wrote:
If you just want a Hippogriff/Griffon and don't really mind about the whole mount levelling up with you, you could just buy one from Ultimate Equipment - they are large so Additional Resources say they are perfectly legal. Just spend the 5k gold for a Hippogriff...

Or hope that the Hippogriff/Griffon in Inner Sea Combat will be legal for PFS.


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Or get a figurine of wondrous power: bronze griffon...


Probably dead by now, but, if you want a scaling Hippogriff companion that *should* be legal, just take the Monstrous Mount. It's on the PFSRD, so it might not be eligible.

Here is the feat. There's also another that improves it, called "Monstrous Mount Mastery", but its not that important, imo.

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The Sable Company Marine ranger archetype is in the same book as the monstrous mount feat (Inner Sea Combat) and both are legal.

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ChessboardJack wrote:

Probably dead by now, but, if you want a scaling Hippogriff companion that *should* be legal, just take the Monstrous Mount. It's on the PFSRD, so it might not be eligible.

Here is the feat. There's also another that improves it, called "Monstrous Mount Mastery", but its not that important, imo.

Monstrous Mount Mastery is the feat that lets you ride the hippogriff/griffon while it flies, otherwise it's a grounded mount...


Zak Glade wrote:
ChessboardJack wrote:

Probably dead by now, but, if you want a scaling Hippogriff companion that *should* be legal, just take the Monstrous Mount. It's on the PFSRD, so it might not be eligible.

Here is the feat. There's also another that improves it, called "Monstrous Mount Mastery", but its not that important, imo.

Monstrous Mount Mastery is the feat that lets you ride the hippogriff/griffon while it flies, otherwise it's a grounded mount...

xD Woops, I totally forgot about that little detail. Thanks! That's what happens when you're up too late lel.

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