Spells in a spellbook as "Spells Known"


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Sczarni

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To which class spell know feature it point? Not necessarily to the sorcerer class, as you can take this ability even if you aren't a sorcerer. It point to your character spell know feature.

At most you can say that it is limited to the class feature of the class in which you have taken a level when taking the feat.

just because you're getting it else where, with the way you're creating this unique "because I said it is" looking for sorc spell known rather than spells known rule, it will forever be seeking this spells known by sorcerer rather than spells known.

If you let it apply any spell known from the class that picks up the feat you're saying that the ability merely refers to spells known by that character rather than by that class.

you treat your sorcerer level as yours minus two... that means for the purposes of that feat you're a sorcerer.


Diego Rossi wrote:
A general rule of Pathfinder is that when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class. So when, in the arcane bloodline Arcane Bond ability, it say Spell Know it refer to the Spell Know feature of the sorcerer class.

That is actually false. The opposite is true... check it out

FAQ wrote:

Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list?

The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.

General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)

Diego Rossi wrote:

If you have the Arcane bond ability from the Arcane bloodline you can apply it only to the sorcerer class.

It become more muddled when you get it from the Eldritch Heritage feat, as it is not necessary at all to be a member of a specific class to get it.

The text of the Arcane bond ability, when removed from the context of the sorcerer class will allow you to cast any know spell, but it is still pointing to a Know spell feature of a class, not to the spells know to a wizard/witch/magus because he has recorded then in his spellbook.
That feature is the spellbook feature.

If you have the arcane bond from the sorcerer class, or from eldritch heritage-arcane, then it applies to any Spells Known that you might have from any source anywhere. Bard? Yep. Oracle? Sure. You have “Spells Known”? Then you can freely pick any of your known spells and cast it with your item, once per day.

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Remy Balster wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
A general rule of Pathfinder is that when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class. So when, in the arcane bloodline Arcane Bond ability, it say Spell Know it refer to the Spell Know feature of the sorcerer class.

That is actually false. The opposite is true... check it out

FAQ wrote:

Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list?

The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.

General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)

Remy, read what I wrote an what the FAQ say.

Me: "when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class."
FAQ: "If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability."

Two different statements.

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Diego Rossi wrote:

Remy, read what I wrote an what the FAQ say.

Me: "when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class."
FAQ: "If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability."

Two different statements.

+1


Diego Rossi wrote:
Remy Balster wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
A general rule of Pathfinder is that when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class. So when, in the arcane bloodline Arcane Bond ability, it say Spell Know it refer to the Spell Know feature of the sorcerer class.

That is actually false. The opposite is true... check it out

FAQ wrote:

Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list?

The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.

General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)

Remy, read what I wrote an what the FAQ say.

Me: "when an ability is part of a class the relevant rules are written as if you were a single class member of that class."
FAQ: "If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability."

Two different statements.

Your premise was fine, it just happens to be irrelevant. So, your conclusion was false.

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So when, in the arcane bloodline Arcane Bond ability, it say Spell Know it refer to the Spell Know feature of the sorcerer class.

That is false.

Spells Known is a game term used by spontaneous casters. It is a function of their Spells ability. The term is not sorcerer specific.

The FAQ is directly applicable here, this ability specifically deals with spells, thus an ability like this applies across the board to any class which has Spells Known.


Which is still not the wizard.

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Shimesen wrote:
Which is still not the wizard.

Pick one:

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Paizo changed the SRD to make spells known no longer "what exists in the wizard spellbook"

or

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The SRD 3.5 definition of spells known is still in effect, it was just removed because they didn't feel anyone would be confused by this concept.

Because the 3.5 Players Handbook says this in the glossary under spells known:

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A spell that an arcane spellcaster has learned and can prepare. For wizards, knowing a spell means having it in their spellbooks. For sorcerers and bards, knowing a spell means having selected it when acquiring new spells as a benefit of level advancement.

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