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Publisher, Frog God Games

I just got the first color draft to look at for the Gulf of Akaidos Region (Stoneheart Mountains, Dragon Hills, and Tsar and Tsen areas)--wow...You guys will see this area in Sword of Air.

Its coming together fantasticly--Greg is adding order to my chaos!


*drools*


Cant wait to see it...


Super drools here. Ditto on the can't wait to see it.


Awesome.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Can't wait...

Pathfinder Rules Conversion, Frog God Games

Yeah, just looked through my pile of emails and saw the draft.

Wow.

Definitely worth the wait. Sorry its been so long, but this is going to be "laminate that baby and hang it on the wall" style.

SG


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So when can the rest of us expect to see this map Skeeter? Inquiring minds would like to know!

Publisher, Frog God Games

soon--I saw a draft from Robert of the base map for the SOA/Stoneheart region (minus tags) a few minutes ago

Pathfinder Rules Conversion, Frog God Games

It'll just be a sneak peak, not the final version. Cant give away too many details!


Will the map have a hex grid, or does it just have a mile ratio? Can we hex crawl the Lost Lands??

Because that would be awesome. :)

Pathfinder Rules Conversion, Frog God Games

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It has a hex system, its FGG.


I love maps and can't wait


I seriously can't wait to see where Freegate is in relation to the Stoneheart Valley.

I was leaning towards substituting Endhome for Freegate in my campaign but now that we are so close I guess I should wait and see...

Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games

Grimmy,

Freegate is about 400 miles east of Bard's Gate. Endhome is about 900 miles southeast of Freegate. You can see the actual distance relationship between Freegate and the Bard's Gate/Stoneheart Valley area on the sample map that is linked on Update 5 of our Barakus Kickstarter. Endhome is not shown on that map though.


Wow, thanks Greg that's very helpful. That was a typo/brain-fart above, it was Endhome I was wondering about.

I had seen maps showing Freegate not too far from Bard's Gate and I was thinking about putting Endhome where Freegate is, along with the whole Penprie forest and environs, to provide more adventure sites for my sandbox Stoneheart Valley/rappan Athuk campaign, but I'm sure I would regret it if i deviate that much from the canon with all this stuff finally coming out.

Anyway, thanks for engaging with your fans so directly, it's really cool.

Scarab Sages

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I have been wondering if there are any plans to update and expand Bard's Gate in a Pathfinder version.

And as I look at it today and thinking about his region, I was wondering if there is a separate PDF anywhere of the city map. I have the PDF version of the book and there is a map page in the back.

Anyone have an idea how to extract this map from the PDF so I can get it printed on vinyl.

I will start this journey by looking at the old necromancer games site.

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Shem wrote:
I have been wondering if there are any plans to update and expand Bard's Gate in a Pathfinder version.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "YES".

My best guess is that it will be one of FGG bigger KS they will run in the future, probably generating as much interest as the Lost Lands Campaign settings book/kit/box set*

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*I threw this last one in for laughs. Of course I'm just joking about getting a box to contain the maps and books - yes, joking.

Shadow Lodge

I sometimes feel like I'm the only FGG fan who would prefer all-new material to updated reprints.

:/

Layout and Design, Frog God Games

Like Dunes of Desolation and Cyclopean Deeps?

Layout and Design, Frog God Games

And the Rappan Athuk expansions...

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Kthulhu wrote:

I sometimes feel like I'm the only FGG fan who would prefer all-new material to updated reprints.

:/

I think you just need to be patient GOO, they are rebuilding their library since the advent of PFRPG and on top of the fact that NG lapsed and Bill formed FGG. That's a bit of a BIG house to rebuild.

Sure they have the old titles available, but many of them are in pdf form only and in an older format (3.5, which people may not want to touch). This is a chance to update and improve upon the existing 5 star quality that was the NG library of books. Also there are several creatures which are not open content so many of their books need a new write up just based on available resources to play (Ex: using Mind Flayers in RA for PFRPG when they no longer are available).

And to be fair we have in the last few years:

-Slumbering Tsar is a new content mega adventure (considering it's history)
-Sword of Air (with a missed opportunity of 100 detailed encounter areas, I will never recover from that)
-Tome of Horrors 4
-Razor Coast + support material (picked up a dropped ball on that, a heroic undertaking in of itself)
-Rappan Athuk has tripled in size if you count the new levels, encounters and subscription modules
-Cyclopean Deeps
-The Black Monastery

+ several other mini-adventures, supplements and aids. For a small company I would say they are doing rather well.

And we have the new environment books coming plus the prospect of a huge Lost Lands campaign book(s)(?) on the horizon.

Patience Kthulhu, patience. I want new material and old, the rebuilding a re-releasing the old brings in revenue but more importantly it brings in a stronger fan base - which is what they will need when they launch riskier products - such as a huge new campaign world.

Publisher, Frog God Games

Aux and others. Yes on Bards Gate. We are trying to mix up old and new a bit though. Lots of new material coming as well.

Kthulu. Many never got the old stuff, and even those who did will see new material in the reworks.

The idea is to make a whole world set. We have about 40 releases planned in lost Lands setting material over the next three to four years. Its about half and half all new and revised. The hard part is making sure it all ties together. Thats why we are having Greg handle that bit.

Next up tbd. Northlands will be fall as a kickstarter. Its Tsar sized.

Shadow Lodge

Oh, I know you guys are putting out new stuff, it just sometimes seems like some of the fans only have hype for the old stuff (which I get as well).


I like the updates for a strange reason... Layout!

I have no problem running 3.5 stuff unconverted, I find it close enough to Pathfinder to get by, but I find the FGG conversions subtly easier on the eyes then the Necro copies. Easier to read somehow. And nice bookmarks in the PDF's.

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To negate my own point, its also nice to have S&W versions.

Layout and Design, Frog God Games

Grimmy wrote:

I like the updates for a strange reason... Layout!

I have no problem running 3.5 stuff unconverted, I find it close enough to Pathfinder to get by, but I find the FGG conversions subtly easier on the eyes then the Necro copies. Easier to read somehow. And nice bookmarks in the PDF's.

Sucking up to me has no tangible benefits! ;)

But seriously, it's good to hear thing like that.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Yes, I mentioned Bard's Gate because I was looking through it (triggered by this thread), and I would like to see it done. But there are only a couple of old titles that I am really hot to see redone, and I want it all in the lost lands and tied in together.

But I buy everything that comes out new. I have everything published by the Frogs or the Necros and love it all. I even bought several gift boxes over the holidays and yes, I have three copies of Tome of Horrors 3 but I am cool with that. I even have all three of the old creature collections (anything bill touched really).

I am so looking forward to the new stuff too, I want the campaign setting bad. I have owned this stuff for years and soon... One of my groups is going to be all Lost Lands all the time...

I am on your side K. Just want some of the old stuff too...

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By-the-by Grimmy, I've recently started some new changes in table listings that will hopefully be well-received by the fans for legibility and cleaner layout that I will be using going forward.

Skeeter likes 'em, at least! :D


Yeah, not sucking up it's just a fact. I just get visually overwhelmed or something and can't interface fast enough with a gaming book unless it's laid out in a certain way. It's pretty strange. I probably won't even notice till I'm in the session... it might be a nice looking book and still not work for me at the table.

I find your stuff the best, and also Raging Swan Press.

It's not just a color vs BW thing either though, I actually really liked the layout in some 4E books. Ultimate Equipment was a nice one from Paizo that doesn't make my brain hurt.


Kthulhu wrote:
To negate my own point, its also nice to have S&W versions.

I keep vacillating. I think deep down I want all new stuff. Nonetheless, a Swords and Wizardry Bard's Gate will be nice.

I prefer reading the supplements in their S&W versions since the statblocks are a little less intrusive.

Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games

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Just to address the old versus new issue. Like Bill said, we have a planned mix coming out for the next several years. We're just too small of a company to be constantly putting out all new material at the pace that we put out books (which granted isn't all that fast anyway). But we've also got this vast back catalogue of great material that has never been fully developed and integrated. After the initial success of Tsar and TOHC, plus the release of a few "lost" NG titles (Eamonvale Incursion, Demonheart, etc.) we decided FGG was going to be a "for real" company and ultimately purchasing NG's IP decided our course for us. WE determined we wanted to combine all of that content, both old and new, into an epic campaign world that was both exciting and new but also felt old and familiar, and we had the perfect materials to do that.

Just so you know, our plan is to eventually over the years reissue pretty much all of the old 3.0 and 3.5 stuff NG but reformatted and updated to feel new and worthwhile as well. My goal is to make each of these releases to be exciting and interesting as both a new product but also give you all the classic content of the original. It's a difficult balance to strike. Many of the old NG products didn't get as much love as others. But I think it was not because they were necessarily "bad" so much as lacked context or cohesion. So that is my mandate: make all of those old adventures relevant and make them work with all of the new stuff as well. We don't want to invalidate anyone's old NG collection, we want to revive it.

For some insight into the process, I'll share some of my task. In addition to making all of the old products (which are an incredibly diverse lot if you really look at them) fit with all the new products to make a coherent campaign world, I've also got to inject new life into those old titles to make them work as a part of the campaign world. That's where the update and reissuance of old titles comes in.

A few months ago I submitted to Bill a list of 10 future products for the next 5-7 years that will encompass about 90% of the NG catalogue. My goal is not only to make them fit into the world, but to take them together in groups to form adventure paths. But not only must the adventures work as far as levels and themes go, I've had to make them work regionally as well. So with each reprint of these collected old materials you not only get an updated, coherent adventure path you can run, each one will also highlight a specific portion of the Lost Lands. No picnic, that, but an interesting process I went through.

Some of the combinations are obvious, Stoneheart Valley is an obvious example that had actually been designed as more-or-less a regional adventure path. So that one was easy. Hawkmoon and Eamonvale both provide that kind of ease as well. Beyond those, though, they get a bit harder. You can see hints of how some of them will lay out based on the clues on the regional maps we've been creating. What is situated near what...that sort of thing.

For our next reissue of pre-existing material, it will be one of these collected adventure paths (Some will be full adventure paths going from levels 1-14 or so, some will be mini-adventure paths like from levels 3-10 for instance). So the one we're talking about next is likely to be either Legends of Hawkmoon (you can guess what that one will cover, I'm sure) or Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms (a little less obvious). Both, though will have an AP updated and fleshed out for PF/S&W and for the Lost Lands, and both will have expanded material giving some detail on that region of the Lost Lands and how it fits in with the rest. These will not be a substitute to the campaign setting but will be a supplement to it.

Whew, okay that was way longer than I had intended. So there's a lot of the plan in a nutshell. Bard's Gate is probably going to be one of the last ones we do because a) it's got a ton of crunch material to update (stat blocks and such), b) it's going to change quite a bit as some of it is going to going directly into the campaign setting book instead (like the gods chapter, for instance), and c) we've got some super cool plans for it that I think you guys are going to love, but I can't say more about that part yet. But yes, Bard's gate will certainly get its due (along with another little town called Reme, I'm sure).


Sounds awesome. Back to barracking for more old stuff (but I reserve the right to change my mind again tomorrow). :)

Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games

Sure thing, Steve. :-)

And lest you think we intend to be a company of merely retreads, about 90% of my writing time (limited as it currently is) goes into new material. I've spent the last several months writing/doing development work on Northlands Saga in between classes and such. My personal passion is still writing. But if you ever followed my work in Dungeon Magazine, you might have noticed that about 4/5 of my material was set in Greyhawk...because I LOVE to write new material set in a classic mature setting (it's just my personal preference). Obviously we don't have Greyhawk to play with, but we do have a decade's worth of classic NG stuff (that's even more classic than that since much of it dates back to Bill's and Clark's games from their teenage and college years.

So you'll still be able to keep looking for new material from us (frequently on an epic scale as has been the case with Tsar, RA, SoA, RC, plus the upcoming Northlands and Blight), but it's always going to be grounded in the history of the campaign, because for me personally at least, that's where the richness of the game really shines through. Gary had Greyhawk, Ed had FR, JG had the Wilderlands, we'll have Lost Lands. I'm not implying it's on the level of any of those, but those are certainly what we look to for our example, and maybe 20 years from now people will look back and include Lost Lands on that list. That's my hope anyway.

So thanks for sticking with us. We'll keep doing new stuff while faithfully paying homage to the old. That's our plan.


And as per usual, the professionals have a better idea of what I'll like than I do! Since I've turned forty, there have been very few things that have me wishing for the years to pass more rapidly. Upcoming FGG releases is one of them though. :)

I'm particularly keen for the Northlands Saga and the Lost Lands Campaign Setting (is it too early to put in a request for a boxed set?). I'll definitely be grabbing all the old stuff too though - your approach makes a lot of sense.


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It only makes sense. Give all that stuff cohesion and you have something bigger than the sum of it's parts.

Then the new stuff has somewhere to really live as well.

Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games

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Grimmy wrote:
Anyway, thanks for engaging with your fans so directly, it's really cool.

My pleasure, Grimmy. I've had more opportunity to get on the boards more in the last month than I have in the last couple of years, so when I get the chance I like to be able to hit the nail on the head with questions and such. Plus the development of the Lost Lands has reached the point where I actually have a lot of things finally locked in and can answer those kinds of questions instead of it just being a kind of nebulous work in progress (which it has pretty much been to this point--I feel really bad for the rest of the FGG guys who are really just now getting their first glimpses of what I'm doing in the building of the setting). This thread btw is super exciting to me. Lost Lands has been so much on my m,ind for the last year as I try to make things fit together, getting a chance to expound upon it to people who are actually interested (my wife unfortunately is not a gamer and doesn't get much out of me telling her all the minutiae) is very personally fulfilling to me. So I'll keep firing back answers as long as my schedule will permit. :-)

Shadow Lodge

Cool. Although my wallet hopes you don't do too many Kickstarters.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Cool. Although my wallet hopes you don't do too many Kickstarters.

We have only 20 more planned for this year.

Shadow Lodge

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Do not tease the Great Old Ones, for you are crunchy and good with shoggoth salsa

Scarab Sages

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Thanks Greg, I appreciate the update. As much as I would like Bards Gate soon, what you are talking about sounds perfect.


Chuck Wright wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Cool. Although my wallet hopes you don't do too many Kickstarters.
We have only 20 more planned for this year.

You trying to give this old man a heart attack Chuck!!! <grin>

I do look forward to the 5-7 year plan coming up though! And pretty much all of my campaigns are all Lost Lands all the time! The exception being Freeport, but even that is going to be located in the Lost Lands.


Thanks for all the updates, Greg!

Been a fan of your work for years and I like to think the few scenarios I did manage to get published would make you proud. Skeletons of Scarwall remains my favorite module/AP installment of the last 10 years.

Anyway, shameless brown-nosing aside, I'm already maneuvering my budget to be able to get Northlands later this year.

My big hole in the collection from the old stuff is Gary Gygax' Necropolis. Can you reveal if that is in the plans for a rework? Are you even able to? (No idea if that was a one-time license for his stuff or not)


I'm looking forward to all of it!

Greg - Do you intend to incorporate new Pathfinder material (such as the upcoming class book) or are you going to stick to more traditional (core) rules?

And, what happens if...

D&D 5E is open?
Pathfinder 2E comes out during this time?

(Personally, I hope you stay away from D&D 5 and I hope Pathfinder 2E is a long way off.)

Finally, Greg, I noticed you are not an author for the Mummy's Mask AP. I was a bit saddened by that, but congratulations on your long AP run!

Scarab Sages

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Justmebd

I believe someone somewhere said that Necropolis is owned by the Gygax estate and cannot be redone, but at the Frogs site you can download a copy of the PDF.


Steve Geddes wrote:
I'm particularly keen for the Northlands Saga and the Lost Lands Campaign Setting (is it too early to put in a request for a boxed set?)

FGG should make a separate KS just for the people who want the Boxes because they say it costs to much to make. May be a separate "FGG Swag Kick Starter" to make all of us put our money where our mouth is. They could put in poster maps and the rest of that type thing.

Shadow Lodge

I prefer hardcovers.


Chaos Monkey wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
I'm particularly keen for the Northlands Saga and the Lost Lands Campaign Setting (is it too early to put in a request for a boxed set?)
FGG should make a separate KS just for the people who want the Boxes because they say it costs to much to make. May be a separate "FGG Swag Kick Starter" to make all of us put our money where our mouth is. They could put in poster maps and the rest of that type thing.

Yeah, I hope there's a box set option, even if its more usual to buy each component separately.


Kthulhu wrote:
I prefer hardcovers.

I'd be hoping for both, personally. I just hope it's a couple of books rather than one, massive tome. I find ST a little unwieldy to read. (Depending on page punt, of course).

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Kthulhu wrote:
I prefer hardcovers.

Hardcover, plus a box for all the maps and printed player guides.

Hey, I can dream right?

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