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Belkzen is right in the area which was the setting of the end of Rise of the Rune Lords series. Some sort of tie-in with Rune Lords would probably make the GIant AP a bigger seller. Someplace in Varisia would be an obvious starting point for a trip to Belkzen. Or Ustalav or Lastwall perhaps.
I'm waiting for the fall 2015 AP. I hope it is more experimental. I don't like all the APs, but half of them being interesting to me is still a pretty good ratio. If last time is any guide we should know the fall AP within a month or so. Anyone have a definitive date on that?
It'll be announced at Gencon (August 14-17)
Most likely the AP Q&A 1pm August 14th or Paizo 2014 & beyond 3pm August 16th
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I'm so hyped for a giant slayer AP, mostly because I'm a sucker for Attack on Titan and Shadow of the Colossus.So ... They Might Be Giants in this one?
Well, they might be giants. They might be rain, they might be snow, they might be something else in the snow...
They might be giants. But are we gonna do unless they are?
Checked the Inner Sea guide entry for Belkzen, no mention of giants there - but Belkzen is neighbours with the the realm of the Mammoth Lords, so maybe the AP will venture there also.
Maybe a spiritual successor to the old Against the Giants trilogy?
Giant orcs!
Checked the Inner Sea guide entry for Belkzen, no mention of giants there - but Belkzen is neighbours with the the realm of the Mammoth Lords, so maybe the AP will venture there also.
Maybe a spiritual successor to the old Against the Giants trilogy?
You are correct, so either what you said about realm of the mammoth lords (or Varisia) OR it's going to be about the runelords+belkzen*.
*becuase we all know that runelords means magic, decadance and giants
Wonder if Mikaze is gonna be involved in this?
I presume Runelord Zutha is also being consulted?
have you seen how many giants populate the 5 bestiaries? There has to be Giant everywhere whether mentioned or not:)
I imagine that the lower level portions of the AP will focus on orcs, while giants will be more restricted to the high level portions of the AP.
I imagine that the lower level portions of the AP will focus on orcs, while giants will be more restricted to the high level portions of the AP.
I would think a Hill Giant or three would show up in part one as "boss."
That's what I would do. :)
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Giant Slayer eh..
I was slaying Giants in Belkzen before it was cool.
I'm in the wait and see mode. But my expectations are low.
Giants are pretty one dimensional they hit hard and have low will save. Hit them with will save spells over and over and they are a breeze to overcome.
I was in a party that breezed through a Giant Heavy module due to 2 sorcerers with confusion spells that they could throw over and over.
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Sounds like they're fishing for Against the Giants nostalgia here, but it is just such a generic title... Not impressed, especially not after Iron Gods.
As has been mentioned before, details will be given during the seminar today.
As for the post-Iron Gods remark, keep in mind that Paizo caters to gamers with very different play styles. Some like the weird and experimental while others like classic fantasy. Paizo tries to reach as many different play styles as they can with their adventure paths. What you see as unimpressive, a lot of gamers see as Paizo giving them some fun stuff to play with.
That's not to say that you shouldn't be unimpressed. Just that Paizo has a lot of different gaming groups to reach out to. :)
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Sounds like they're fishing for Against the Giants nostalgia here, but it is just such a generic title... Not impressed, especially not after Iron Gods.As has been mentioned before, details will be given during the seminar today.
As for the post-Iron Gods remark, keep in mind that Paizo caters to gamers with very different play styles. Some like the weird and experimental while others like classic fantasy. Paizo tries to reach as many different play styles as they can with their adventure paths. What you see as unimpressive, a lot of gamers see as Paizo giving them some fun stuff to play with.
That's not to say that you shouldn't be unimpressed. Just that Paizo has a lot of different gaming groups to reach out to. :)
Exactly! Even if an AP doesn't really appeal to me, I still keep my subscription active. Maybe someday one of my kids will be idily perusing my bookshelves, see 'Giantslayer' and think 'ooh, that sounds interesting'. :D
If nothing else, it's something to read on those unexpectedly lenghty visits to the water closet. :p
So the AP after Iron Gods is going to be fighting Giants in Orc-Land?
Oh boy, here's me not wishing it was a "Legacy of the Empire" type campaign dealing with Taldor and Qadira.
So the AP after Iron Gods is going to be fighting Giants in Orc-Land?
Oh boy, here's me not wishing it was a "Legacy of the Empire" type campaign dealing with Taldor and Qadira.
Last time I asked JJ, he said they were still trying to make such an AP but conflicting Ideas lead to that AP being left stuck in the mud.
Don't know about now though.
So the AP after Iron Gods is going to be fighting Giants in Orc-Land?
Oh boy, here's me not wishing it was a "Legacy of the Empire" type campaign dealing with Taldor and Qadira.
Last time I asked JJ, he said they were still trying to make such an AP but conflicting Ideas lead to that AP being left stuck in the mud.
Don't know about now though.
The thing that I can see muddling things is that there are two distinct "sides" the PCs can "work" for, Qadira and Taldor. For plot points sake, odds are it would be Taldor.
I mean it couldn't be too hard to think up some good quests; the Ulfen Guard needs recruits, the nobles are plotting or clamoring for war, the Grand Prince is a wheels within wheels tier schemer, the (unwed) princess is cut from the same cloth, and the Cult of the Dawnflower is out there, preparing to destabilize the Kingdom for Qadiran invasion.
Eh, in truth I just want to get my Greek on (considering Taldor is a pretty clear play on the Byzantine Empire) and the situation down South is ripe for big geopolitical action, to say nothing of the endless intrigue and prospects for adventure/mercenary work.
The problem for the AP mostly exists with how they want to depict Taldor.
I'd love to do a Taldor AP... but so would Rob, and we have opposite opinions as to who the "good guys" are in that nation...Would you elaborate on that? Not just who you and he thinks the good guys are but also why.I think that the good guys in Taldor are NOT the ones currently in charge. I think that a Taldor AP would be about revolution and the new blood breathing new life into Taldor and joining the Inner Sea Region as a more accepting nation and making peace with Qadira, but being opposed the whole way by the current regime who is unable to let go of the past.
Rob prefers to see the current regime as the good guys who should rise once again from their current low point to reclaim and rebuild their glory days.
Both are viable plots. Just not at the same time.
This is why he said there would be difficulties.
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This is why he said there would be difficulties.I'd love to do a Taldor AP... but so would Rob, and we have opposite opinions as to who the "good guys" are in that nation...Would you elaborate on that? Not just who you and he thinks the good guys are but also why.I think that the good guys in Taldor are NOT the ones currently in charge. I think that a Taldor AP would be about revolution and the new blood breathing new life into Taldor and joining the Inner Sea Region as a more accepting nation and making peace with Qadira, but being opposed the whole way by the current regime who is unable to let go of the past.
Rob prefers to see the current regime as the good guys who should rise once again from their current low point to reclaim and rebuild their glory days.
Both are viable plots. Just not at the same time.
Huh, so the writers have reached something of an impasse.
No offense to James, but between those two the one Rob gave feels much more... I don't know how to properly put it to words, fresh? We got a revolution story with Jade Regent, and "scrappy progressive rebels fighting against the tyrannical old fashioned overlords" just seems a bit too expected and dare I say it, tired.
Or they could have a compromise where a revived Empire sets out to take back land they see as rightfully theirs, but in the process must accept that things need to change. Sort of like the actual Byzantine Empire under the Makedon or Komnenoi dynasty.
This is why he said there would be difficulties.I'd love to do a Taldor AP... but so would Rob, and we have opposite opinions as to who the "good guys" are in that nation...Would you elaborate on that? Not just who you and he thinks the good guys are but also why.I think that the good guys in Taldor are NOT the ones currently in charge. I think that a Taldor AP would be about revolution and the new blood breathing new life into Taldor and joining the Inner Sea Region as a more accepting nation and making peace with Qadira, but being opposed the whole way by the current regime who is unable to let go of the past.
Rob prefers to see the current regime as the good guys who should rise once again from their current low point to reclaim and rebuild their glory days.
Both are viable plots. Just not at the same time.
Gary McBride / Fire Mountain Games are doing something like that with Throne of Night. You an play the dwarf or drow campaign, which run parallel to one another. Of course, that wouldnt work so well in the established format for a Paizo AP, but it csn be done (eventually).
Huh, so the writers have reached something of an impasse.This is why he said there would be difficulties.I'd love to do a Taldor AP... but so would Rob, and we have opposite opinions as to who the "good guys" are in that nation...Would you elaborate on that? Not just who you and he thinks the good guys are but also why.I think that the good guys in Taldor are NOT the ones currently in charge. I think that a Taldor AP would be about revolution and the new blood breathing new life into Taldor and joining the Inner Sea Region as a more accepting nation and making peace with Qadira, but being opposed the whole way by the current regime who is unable to let go of the past.
Rob prefers to see the current regime as the good guys who should rise once again from their current low point to reclaim and rebuild their glory days.
Both are viable plots. Just not at the same time.
Clearly they must settle this with a duel. I propose building the most OP character they can imagine and pitting those against each other in a public venue. ^^
Who says the PCs are fighting giants in Giantslayer? Maybe they're supposed to deal with the Thing that is slaying giants. :)
Who says the PCs are fighting giants in Giantslayer? Maybe they're supposed to deal with the Thing that is slaying giants. :)
The Advanced Class Guide will be out by then, so maybe it is really an AP about a really large Slayer?
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Honestly... I like it. To kill some giants, makes me grab a dwarf and lay down the hurt. And if I know paizo, those giants have an agenda and are far from simple melee brutes!
My chief concern is that Giantslayer will be a bit too generic since it will be after such an unconventional AP, and that it will be literally nothing but "kill orcs and giants". But I can't recall the last time I was disappointed with paizo so I'm not too worried.
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people asked for the generic AP and this is what they get. sometimes plain is plain.
My chief concern is that Giantslayer will be a bit too generic since it will be after such an unconventional AP, and that it will be literally nothing but "kill orcs and giants". But I can't recall the last time I was disappointed with paizo so I'm not too worried.
C'mon its Paizo! its not just going to be Giants and Orcs! Oh my!
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My chief concern is that Giantslayer will be a bit too generic since it will be after such an unconventional AP, and that it will be literally nothing but "kill orcs and giants". But I can't recall the last time I was disappointed with paizo so I'm not too worried.C'mon its Paizo! its not just going to be Giants and Orcs! Oh my!
there will be more to it i'm sure:)
There is more. Intrigue and geo-political machinations. Secretly behind the giants and their disruptive activities are . . .
The last two modules will have names like Descent into the Darkland Depths of Golarion and Queen of the Demon Pits.
if you say so, i'm not very familiar with Drow:)
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If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.
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If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.
Yep named Thulos, Taiga Giant lich Necromancer. He is working on a way to raise Zutha without the third part of his spell book.
if you say so, i'm not very familiar with Drow:)
Classic plot twist.
TSR's first linked set of adventures, a pseudo adventure path from 1e AD&D: G1-3 Against the Giants, D1-3 Descent into the Depths, Q1 Queen of the Demonweb pits: GDQ starts off with three modules fighting against giants then the true villains behind them are revealed and you follow them down into the underdark for four more modules.
if you say so, i'm not very familiar with Drow:)Classic plot twist.
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so wait that was a published adventure! all these years i thought my brother added Drow after the giants to be an a&+!*@+ lol next family gathering we'll have to have a laugh about it (we actually won't, he's still an a*++@%~ either way lol)
If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.Yep named Thulos, Taiga Giant lich Necromancer. He is working on a way to raise Zutha without the third part of his spell book.
That's my guess as well.
It's a pretty safe bet that it won't be a dwarves vs giants and orcs... i guess we could have an invasion-war from/to Belkzen/Lastwall/Varissa but i think that the runelords are a safer bet.
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My chief concern is that Giantslayer will be a bit too generic since it will be after such an unconventional AP, and that it will be literally nothing but "kill orcs and giants". But I can't recall the last time I was disappointed with paizo so I'm not too worried.
None of us here at Paizo are interested in a boring Adventure Path. Never fear.
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If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.Yep named Thulos, Taiga Giant lich Necromancer. He is working on a way to raise Zutha without the third part of his spell book.That's my guess as well.
It's a pretty safe bet that it won't be a dwarves vs giants and orcs... i guess we could have an invasion-war from/to Belkzen/Lastwall/Varissa but i think that the runelords are a safer bet.
Nope. If/when we do something big with the Runelords... you'll know from the start.
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Giantslayer is the name of the AP. We wanted to go with something simple and immediately recognizable, especially after we'll be coming out the other side of Iron Gods.
Is it Giantslayer or Giant Slayer?
I thought I saw the banquet presentation slide had a line break between the two words, without a hyphen, which would suggest they're separate words.
Giants... hmmm... sounds like a great AP in which to unleash Jorngarl's Harm on unsuspecting PCs...
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Giantslayer is the name of the AP. We wanted to go with something simple and immediately recognizable, especially after we'll be coming out the other side of Iron Gods.Is it Giantslayer or Giant Slayer?
I thought I saw the banquet presentation slide had a line break between the two words, without a hyphen, which would suggest they're separate words.
It's Giantslayer—all one word like Kingmaker.
The slide from the banquet was a mockup since the design for the Adventure Path isn't completed yet.
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Nope. If/when we do something big with the Runelords... you'll know from the start.If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.Yep named Thulos, Taiga Giant lich Necromancer. He is working on a way to raise Zutha without the third part of his spell book.That's my guess as well.
It's a pretty safe bet that it won't be a dwarves vs giants and orcs... i guess we could have an invasion-war from/to Belkzen/Lastwall/Varissa but i think that the runelords are a safer bet.
But James we want more Runelords. ;)
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But James we want more Runelords. ;)Nope. If/when we do something big with the Runelords... you'll know from the start.If I remember right, in the "Continuing the Campaign" section at the end of The Dead Heart of Xin, it talked about a lich giant who was in Belkzen. I believe he was using orc tribes to look for Runelord Zutha's tomes. Maybe this AP will run with a plot along those lines. I hope so. I really would like to square off against another Runelord.Yep named Thulos, Taiga Giant lich Necromancer. He is working on a way to raise Zutha without the third part of his spell book.That's my guess as well.
It's a pretty safe bet that it won't be a dwarves vs giants and orcs... i guess we could have an invasion-war from/to Belkzen/Lastwall/Varissa but i think that the runelords are a safer bet.
Yeah we do!