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Dear community,

I am new to this kind of play, but I am very enthusiastic about being able to partake. However, after several weeks of tinkering, I have discovered to my horror that the character I've been creating with much love and passion is not supported.

I am absolutely distraught about what to do and I would like to request the aid of the community to judge where I stand and where to move towards.

Reference
I have created a lizardfolk character from the Mwangi Jungle in a tribe close to Jaha. He was tasked with the protection of artefacts of Lergenni origin. When he failed to stop Qadiran or Osirian raiders from taking the artefacts, he was shamed by his tribe and he elected to leave permanently, lest he restore his honour in some way.

Rest of his Story:
Through the jungle and the pass between the Barrier Wall and the Brazen Peaks, the dinosaur herding hermit chased the men who had forced him from his tribe across the Crook till he arrived in Ipeq. Till this point, he had traded pelts, dried fruits and nuts from the Mwangi Jungle with the kind Yerbira nomads.

His opinion of the Osirian people had been greatly cultivated and by the time he arrived in Absolom, he was fiercely loyal to the foreign friends that he had made and greatly suspicious of the hated Chellish people whom threatened Osirian artefacts as well as his own.

He appreciates the sentiment of the Andorens, but he sees use only in the freedom of the lizardfolk. Not to mention that he doesn't shy away from keeping kobold slaves, even if he's not a harsh master. One of his slaves, a female kobold whom organizes the rest, is his love interest. In Absolom, he is frequently hired as an escort or translator.

His name is Bizqchangazmund Tlazdaruzdaraztec, meaning "Copper-Rust", "He whom Carries Those in the Process of Birth", referring to the eggs of his trade. Raztec Copperrust, for short. He has devoted himself to the protection of abandoned, unhatched dragon and dinosaur eggs to be inducted in his herd.

As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.

Raztec is of the lawful neutral alignment. He often makes choices of a morally ambiguous nature in the eyes of those around him, but he acts according to the Green Faith and the ways of the jungle. Not infrequently, he kills the animal companions who have served him to feed the rest with fresh meat. He possesses slaves, but supports the ban on slavery should the Andorens accomplish such. He is typically concerned with the personal safety of him and his companions more so than the common good, but he has a great respect for authority and law, even if he does not always understand it.

He's practically made for the Sewer Dragons of Absolom scenario. In character story, Raztec and the kobolds share a complex relationship of mistrust, envy and admiration. The rest of the city views him as though an overgrown kobold and so he has a lot in common with the creatures.

While Raztec despises the Chellish, the other factions he's indifferent for. He fears the influence of the Sczarni and does well to avoid them. He does not favour the Taldor politically, but realizes the separation between politics and the populace. The Silver Crusade and Raztec do not see well eye-to-eye, for his perceived connection to kobolds makes Raztec suspicious. The Qadiran merchants Raztec meets on a day-to-day basis and, although the raiders of his artefacts were Qadiran, Raztec has long since realized no Qadiran are alike. Politically, though, Raztec cannot support the Qadiran for his loyalty to Osirion.

The Issue
Now, in the Additional Resources, no mention has been made of Lizardfolk Chronicle Sheets. Therefore, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about these sort of chronicle sheets or if it is possible to commission one to be made.

I plan to buy all the source material once I have finished a character I am satisfied with. However, the "jungle" (yunno, jungle native?) of exceptions and strange wording is really throwing me off. If PFS does not support Lizardfolk, where else could I use my Lizardfolk character? Or is there a way to adapt it so that it becomes legal?

I've been working on a Lizardmen conversion from the Warhammer Fantasy battle series, using that as the main inspiration for my character. It's cost a lot of money to make, so I hope that I've not ended up wasting several weeks of time and money on a character I cannot use.

Grand Lodge

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Sacredless wrote:

Well, that's not a very kind thing to say it?

Where else could I make use of a lizardfolk character outside of the Pathfinder Society? Is there a comparable campaign that I could partake in with the same setting and setup?

The truth is seldom kind. That said there are plenty of folks who run campaigns on this messageboard, online, and elsewhere. Ask around.

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If you are looking to keep the 'Scaley' aspect, you could try to get ahold of a Nagaji boon (basically a half-Naga).

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Sadly, Nagaji are specifically from Nagajor; a Tian Xia realm. This would come However, thanks for the advice. :)

Would it be possible to convince someone to create a boon if I impress them in some way? I am very confused with the concept of boons, for they appear to be unique in some way and not predefined.

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Or possibly, would a nagaji tribe worshipping Ydersius native to the Mwangi Jungle be a possibility...? I am unaware whether nagaji are a race which is widespread in Golarion and for how long they have been around.

If nagaji could come from any place other than Tian Xia or be used to stand in for the Lizardfolk race, I would be incredibly, incredibly relieved.

EDIT: Regardless, thank you a whole lot, Tempest_Knight! You have given me a lot of hope after all the trouble I've gone through to create this character. :)

Grand Lodge

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Sacredless wrote:

Sadly, Nagaji are specifically from Nagajor; a Tian Xia realm. However, thanks for the advice. :)

Would it be possible to convince someone to create a boon if I impress them in some way? I am very confused with the concept of boons, for they appear to be unique in some way and not predefined.

No you can't. Boons are created to time with the ongoing theme of the season, not created to one person's custom spec. Most likely the next racial boon is going to be sylph as the last three were the other elemental planet touched races.

The only unique boons are ones that are created for charity auctions, such as the one goblin boon and the other to allow someone to create a non-evil assassin. Like all such boons they're one time use only, and those last two were one time auction offerings.

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I see. Would a nagaji tribe isolated in the Mwangi Expanse be viable, in that case? And how would one obtain a boon to play a nagaji?

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Sacredless, check your private messages at the top.

As for whether a tribe could exsist in Mwangi, I don't see why not.

Dragon Empires Primer wrote:

All nagaji can trace their ancestry to Nagajor, their

indomitable jungle homeland. They rarely form societies
of their own outside the boundaries of the ruling naga
class
, but are nonetheless free to leave Nagajor if they
wish to pursue their own goals, a fate which many choose
in their pursuit to test their own strength.

Rarely doesn't mean never. There could have been a family or a village that decided they'd had enough of the Naga masters and migrated to Mwangi.

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Also, its a good idea before the Creative Juices are flowing at full pace, to check the base rules for game play (in terms of whats available and what is not)

Im a bit confused by your last 2 paragraphs:

"I plan to buy all the source material once I have finished a character I am satisfied with. However, the "jungle" (yunno, jungle native?) of exceptions and strange wording is really throwing me off. If PFS does not support Lizardfolk, where else could I use my Lizardfolk character? Or is there a way to adapt it so that it becomes legal?

I've been working on a Lizardmen conversion from the Warhammer Fantasy battle series, using that as the main inspiration for my character. It's cost a lot of money to make, so I hope that I've not ended up wasting several weeks of time and money on a character I cannot use."

I dont understand how the character cost you a lot of money to make if you have yet to buy all the source material and you already stated you owned the Warhamme Fantasy Battle series (although i think it might of been a more logical process to adapt it from the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game) if you were going to go that path.

If you do get access to a Nagaji boon (which is really a debate for another topic: essentially you would need to attend and play at a con), then tailoring a story that you were a former guard/servant to a Naga who moved to the Mwangi in pursuit of access to perhaps a Yuanti ruin might be appropriate.

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Your particularly Character background would work well for any race that is Legal, Especially Human or Elf who have deep cultures in the area of origin.

That said, I see no mention of the Pathfinder Society? How did the character go from protecting artifacts from thieves to joining an organization that "Steals Artifacts"?

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There is also the boon trading thread. Some benefactor may find your story compelling and be willing to part with a Nagaji race boon.

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As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.

One thing, the Mammoth Rider Prestige Class can't be entered into until 10th level. Two of the requirements are Handle Animal and Ride with 9 ranks and since you can't have ranks over your character level/HD it wouldn't work. Of course, if you were hoping for the Lizardman racial HD that might explain it...

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Dragnmoon: We steal now? I thought we made sure the artifacts found their way to a large warehouse in a demiplane and then the people manning that warehouse sold them to them Aspis Consortium.

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Steal is such a harsh word. I prefer confiscate. For safekeeping. Yeah.

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Sharra Tal wrote:
Steal is such a harsh word. I prefer confiscate. For safekeeping. Yeah.

...And for study by top men. Top. Men.

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Another thought on the lizardfolk: You can have your character look like a lizardfolk if you play a tiefling. All the lizard-stuff would just be descriptive stuff, and there are a lot of tieflings with animal features. And as long as you don't take levels in Sorcerer, you can swap out Fiendish Sorcery for Prehensile Tail ^^
For that, you'd need the Advanced Race Guide and possibly Blood of Fiends.

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Sacredless wrote:
As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.

Do you mean you plan on multi-classing this character before taking the Mammoth Rider Prestige Class, or do you mean using the old D&D optional Gesalt rules? Gesalt characters are not PFS legal.

Your best bet is to reread the character creation rules in the Campaign Guide which can be downloaded for free from HERE.

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Andreas Forster wrote:

Another thought on the lizardfolk: You can have your character look like a lizardfolk if you play a tiefling. All the lizard-stuff would just be descriptive stuff, and there are a lot of tieflings with animal features. And as long as you don't take levels in Sorcerer, you can swap out Fiendish Sorcery for Prehensile Tail ^^

For that, you'd need the Advanced Race Guide and possibly Blood of Fiends.

This could work, and gives you a decent number of options. Rakshasa-blooded tieflings are described as bestial, and lizards are specifically called out as one of the rarer forms that normal rakshasas can take. Tiefling alternate racial features can get you scaled skin, a bite or claws, and a prehensile tail as Andreas said. The feat Fiendish Facade gives you a +5 on disguise checks to appear as a chosen medium-sized race.

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Matthew Pittard wrote:


I dont understand how the character cost you a lot of money to make if you have yet to buy all the source material and you already stated you owned the Warhamme Fantasy Battle series (although i think it might of been a more logical process to adapt it from the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game) if you were going to go that path.

I'm pretty sure they're converting a Lizardman miniature from the Warhammer miniatures line, not converting between roleplaying systems. I can attest that that can be expensive ;)

As for the OP, I don't have much to add beyond the nagaji / rakshasa-blooded options, though you might consider using the character concept in a home game (or campaign mode PFS sanctioned Adventure Path.) PFS scenarios can require an amount of character flexibility, and you might be frustrated if its implausible for your character to be sent on the mission. Maybe not, but just something to keep in mind.

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Brian Lefebvre wrote:
Sacredless wrote:
As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.

Do you mean you plan on multi-classing this character before taking the Mammoth Rider Prestige Class, or do you mean using the old D&D optional Gesalt rules? Gesalt characters are not PFS legal.

Your best bet is to reread the character creation rules in the Campaign Guide which can be downloaded for free from HERE.

This. The OP's character is far out of PFS-legality in both race choice as well as in build. Starting with the Guide should be the OP's next step.

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Quote:
As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.
One thing, the Mammoth Rider Prestige Class can't be entered into until 10th level. Two of the requirements are Handle Animal and Ride with 9 ranks and since you can't have ranks over your character level/HD it wouldn't work. Of course, if you were hoping for the Lizardman racial HD that might explain it...

Oh, yeah, of course. I looked over that completely. Sorry for the confusion; I will amend this in my new draft. :)

Lamontius wrote:
Brian Lefebvre wrote:
Sacredless wrote:
As a character, he makes use of a gestalt Skirmisher-Beast Master Ranger and a Gestalt Beast Rider-Luring Cavalier multiclass with a single level in Mammoth Rider once he reaches level 7. He's a member of the Order of the Seal, sworn to protect objects or secrets of his culture. As per the Additional Resources, he makes use of only one animal companion in the form of a Styracosaurus or a Triceratops depending on the GMs' thoughts towards using Mammoth Rider rules on the Styracosaurus druid companion.

Do you mean you plan on multi-classing this character before taking the Mammoth Rider Prestige Class, or do you mean using the old D&D optional Gesalt rules? Gesalt characters are not PFS legal.

Your best bet is to reread the character creation rules in the Campaign Guide which can be downloaded for free from HERE.

This. The OP's character is far out of PFS-legality in both race choice as well as in build. Starting with the Guide should be the OP's next step.

I didn't know the gestalt thing was a rule from the old D&D. I'm not that used to Pathfinder terminology. I have reread the rules, I haven't found anything that seems to be illegal... I'm sorry for the confusion. =<

zefig wrote:
Andreas Forster wrote:

Another thought on the lizardfolk: You can have your character look like a lizardfolk if you play a tiefling. All the lizard-stuff would just be descriptive stuff, and there are a lot of tieflings with animal features. And as long as you don't take levels in Sorcerer, you can swap out Fiendish Sorcery for Prehensile Tail ^^

For that, you'd need the Advanced Race Guide and possibly Blood of Fiends.
This could work, and gives you a decent number of options. Rakshasa-blooded tieflings are described as bestial, and lizards are specifically called out as one of the rarer forms that normal rakshasas can take. Tiefling alternate racial features can get you scaled skin, a bite or claws, and a prehensile tail as Andreas said. The feat Fiendish Facade gives you a +5 on disguise checks to appear as a chosen medium-sized race.

Those are amazing suggestions! It seems like it might cause confusion, but I will take a look at them! Thank you for your advice! This is awesome. :)

Wolfspirit wrote:
Matthew Pittard wrote:


I dont understand how the character cost you a lot of money to make if you have yet to buy all the source material and you already stated you owned the Warhamme Fantasy Battle series (although i think it might of been a more logical process to adapt it from the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game) if you were going to go that path.

I'm pretty sure they're converting a Lizardman miniature from the Warhammer miniatures line, not converting between roleplaying systems. I can attest that that can be expensive ;)

As for the OP, I don't have much to add beyond the nagaji / rakshasa-blooded options, though you might consider using the character concept in a home game (or campaign mode PFS sanctioned Adventure Path.) PFS scenarios can require an amount of character flexibility, and you might be frustrated if its implausible for your character to be sent on the mission. Maybe not, but just something to keep in mind.

Thank you so much for the advice; I will keep it in mind! We have two home games running, but I wanted to make this something special, you know? :)

Thanks a whole lot for the wonderful advice you all have been giving me, everyone! This is wonderful! :)

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Sacredless, I look forward to meeting you at a Pathfinder Society table. It sounds like you're really invested in character and story, and your character will be a great addition to a group of Society agents.

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