Fortitude (object); Spell Resistance yes (object)


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Do creatures go a chance to save it it requires Fortitude (object); Spell Resistance yes (object)?


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What spell or effect are you talking about ?


SlimGauge wrote:
What spell or effect are you talking about ?

Ki arrow.


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The target of that spell is "Target 1 arrow touched". It cannot be cast on a creature (it would automatically fail). If the touched arrow happened to be an intelligent magic arrow that didn't want to be launched with ki arrow, THEN it might get a save. (edit: Or an arrow attended by a creature that didn't want his arrow so thrown). If this special intelligent magic arrow had spell resistance, you'd have to overcome it, but the target of the arrow if you successfully threw it does not benefit from spell resistance.


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The target of the spell is the arrow, not the creature you are throwing it at. But here is the relevant PRD text under "saving throws":

"(object): The spell can be cast on objects, which receive saving throws only if they are magical or if they are attended (held, worn, grasped, or the like) by a creature resisting the spell, in which case the object uses the creature's saving throw bonus unless its own bonus is greater. This notation does not mean that a spell can be cast only on objects. Some spells of this sort can be cast on creatures or objects. A magic item's saving throw bonuses are each equal to 2 + 1/2 the item's caster level."


If you were trying to cast this on your monk friend to make a good attack with it, don't bother. It doesn't work. The only way to make use of this is to be a Qinggong monk and pick up the ability as one of the class' powers.


I trying to understand do objects only get to roll a saving throw if targeted or do living creatures get a save as well.


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What (object) means is only that the object is a valid target for the spell.

Consider disintegrate - Fort (object). You can cast disintegrate on a person and they make a fortitude save as normal; it can ALSO target an object. That object only receives a save if it is magical or attended, including constructs.

Blindness, for comparison, allows a fort save but cannot target objects. People make saves normally. Objects, including constructs, cannot be targeted.


othrnavn wrote:

What (object) means is only that the object is a valid target for the spell.

Consider disintegrate - Fort (object). You can cast disintegrate on a person and they make a fortitude save as normal; it can ALSO target an object. That object only receives a save if it is magical or attended, including constructs.

Blindness, for comparison, allows a fort save but cannot target objects. People make saves normally. Objects, including constructs, cannot be targeted.

Ahhhhh ok thanks for the help.


Does that mean I can't target objects with spells like acid splash?


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Acid Splash doesn't have a "Target = " line. The effect is "One missile of Acid". Saving throw is "none", Spell resistance is NO.

You can target the missile at anything you have a line of effect to, even firing it blind into the darkness or a fog cloud.

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So for "Pilfering hand". It is Save: no, Spell Resistance: yes (object)

If I target a wizards' magical staff of Fire (CL8), and the wizard has no SR, what SR do I have to beat...if any? The Staff's? An arbitrary number?

All the posts I find have to deal with magic item saving throws not spell resistance (object).

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The "Shout" spell says SR: Yes (object). What does this mean? Is the spell subject to SR in general? For objects only? How do we interpret this?


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This was mostly answered above, but to make it clear:

1) Some objects have Spell Resistance, just as some creatures have Spell Resistance.

2) Spell Resistance acts the same for an object as it does a creature.

3) A spell that has a "SR: Yes (object)" entry in its write-up will need to penetrate any Spell Resistance an object may have before it affects that object; if an object doesn't have Spell Resistance, the spell automatically penetrates the object's (non-existent) "Spell Resistance."

4) Attended objects use the saves of their owner; unattended objects gain a saving throw bonus as specified (2 + 1/2 CL for magic items).


What about Dimensional Anchor? It also has the listing, Spell Resistance: Yes (object). My interpretation, would be that only objects receive SR. Otherwise, if everything received SR, there would be no reason to put "object" in parenthesis.


Dakota_Strider wrote:
What about Dimensional Anchor? It also has the listing, Spell Resistance: Yes (object). My interpretation, would be that only objects receive SR. Otherwise, if everything received SR, there would be no reason to put "object" in parenthesis.

Except that explicitly is not what (object) means; the entry for saves was quoted above, and the corresponding entry for Spell Resistance says:

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The terms “object” and “harmless” mean the same thing for spell resistance as they do for saving throws.

So with Dim Anchor, creatures received Spell Resistance normally, and objects receive it only if they are attended and/or magical (assuming they and/or the attending creature actually have SR).

@D20DM, if the attending Wizard does not have any SR, then you only have to worry about the SR of the staff. If (as seems likely), the staff does not have any either, then you are in the clear.

@Arnakalar, it seems like you were saying that constructs are objects. Constructs are creatures, and receive saves/SR normally. Apologies if that is not what you meant.

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