Stone Oracle's Earth Glide help!

[padkos]

Hi

I'm looking at the Earth Glide revelation of the Stone Oracle, and it says this:

"Earth Glide (Su): You can pass through stone, dirt, or almost any other sort of earth except worked stone and metal as easily as a fish swims through water. If protected against fire damage, you can even glide through lava. You glide at your base land speed. While gliding, you breathe stone as if it were air (you do not need to hold your breath). Your burrowing leaves behind no tunnel or hole, nor does it create any ripple or sign of your presence. A move earth spell cast on an area where you are flings you back 30 feet, stunning you for 1 round unless you succeed on a DC 15 Fortitude save. Activating this ability is a free action. You can glide for 1 minute per day per oracle level. This duration does not need to be consecutive, but it must be spent in 1-minute increments. You must be at least 7th level to select this revelation. You can bring other creatures with you when you glide, but each passenger costs an additional minute per minute of travel."

Now my question is this, could I glide beneath a enemy, grab his feet, drag him down, till only his head shows. Then let him go and glide away. Thus he is stuck, and my companions can play "whack a mole" with the enemies head.

All this for only 1 minute less on my glide, and no saving throw. Expect maybe a grabble check?

[MC Templar]

Do you want every Earth Elemental you fight to do this to you when you aren't playing a Stone Oracle?
If not, I wouldn't ask your GM this question.

[padkos]

MC Templar wrote:

Do you want every Earth Elemental you fight to do this to you when you aren't playing a Stone Oracle?

If not, I wouldn't ask your GM this question.

I don't believe earth elementals can do this.It is that last sentence that makes this power different from earth elemental's glide, it is :"You can bring other creatures with you when you glide, but each passenger costs an additional minute per minute of travel"

That sentence is not mentioned in the earth elemental's discrimination.

[williamoak]

Talk to your GM. I would tend to rule no, if only because you have no "space" left over to drag an unwilling creature to. While you can earthglide with others, I would append the same condition as on most teleportation spells, in that you could not bring them to a place that is dangerous to them. (for example, you cant grapple someone, teleport above a volcano, then drop them).

[Darthslash]

If I was going to GM this question, I would allow you to do that.

In this way:

1. You earth glide under the target and make a grapple check. (trying to grab his ankles)
1a. Your target gets an AOO (unless you have a grapple feat) against you with cover.
2. Round 2, if your target didn't break free, you attempt to maintain your grapple.
3. If you succeed, then use the move action as part of your standard action of maintaining the grapple.

Grapple wrote:

Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place your target in any square adjacent to you. If you attempt to place your foe in a hazardous location, such as in a wall of fire or over a pit, the target receives a free attempt to break your grapple with a +4 bonus.

4. interrupt step 3! Let target get a free attempt to break the grapple with a +4 bonus.

5. If he doesn't make his hazardous location break free attempt, then continue with step 3, then goto 6.
6. Target is buried up to his head and you can release him and continue this round anyway you like.

[Darthslash]

As you can see with my previous post, both you and your target have many chances to fail or break free. And it should be such since this is such a devastating thing to do to a opponent. You are essentially making them helpless and open to Coups. I don't even think they could escape at that point without help.

DarthSlash

Edit: Actually, its so powerful a maneuver, I could probably be talked into giving your target a Reflex save Vs. your CMD before step 1 to avoid your grasping hands all together.

[Rhatahema]

I think the intent is that the ability applies to willing targets only. Even then, it's not too clear by what means you confer that ability (touch? proximity?). Even if you could grant a creature earth glide against its will, it's dubious that you could force them to use it by pulling them underground. Even then, if the ability must be spent in 1-minute increments, then they've got plenty of time to just climb right out.

There's also nothing that states what happens if the duration ends while you're within stone. The rules suggest you're not actually displacing stone while you move through it, so I think it's unlikely you'd be encased by it. I'd say you're shunted out to a random open space, as dimension door.

By the way, what you're attempting is similar to the Shaitan's Stone Curse.

[James Risner]

padkos wrote:

could I glide beneath a enemy, grab his feet

No.

This is using a non-offensive spell/effect for offensive purposes. This isn't allowed and is identical to doing things like Stone Shape a chunk of rock to fall into an enemy, Wall of Stone in the air, create water in the mouth, etc.

Bad form.