I understand Russia has sold a wing of su-25s to IraqBy my understanding,it was Belarus at least partially.Well,now they have money to buy better planes:)
Possibly even Su-34.
Also,didn't ISIL captured some planes already?
Yeah, a Syrian airbase they took yesterday had mig-21b fighters and, perhaps more importantly, a supply of MPADS. If they shoot down even one american fighter, the PR coup for them will be off the charts.
If they shoot down even one american fighter, the PR coup for them will be off the charts.
Correction:if they shoot it down,it falls in rebel-controlled territory,AND they manage to obtain footage before US blasts it to atoms.
If they shoot down even one american fighter, the PR coup for them will be off the charts.Correction:if they shoot it down,it falls in rebel-controlled territory,AND they manage to obtain footage before US blasts it to atoms.
Yeah, I suppose there are a lot of "ifs" there. But on some level, the shooting down of even a single American plane, footage or no, would still be a significant event. ISIS/ISIL seems eager to goad the US into action, and, ever so reliably, the chickenhawks in America are eager to send more young men and women out to die on foreign soil.
Because it's not like that Mexico is lit powder keg and tens of thousands inmates yearly are converted to islam.
Nope. But I am impressed that you found neocon to be more offensive than a-hole!So are you suggesting those of us who disagree with you are neo-cons?Sarcasm, my friend, and a dose of reality for neocon a-holes.it's how Americans know they won in VietnamWait,WHAT?!
The only winners of war in Vietnam were a)people of said Vietnam and b)
USA's military manufacturers.
Everyone else lost.
I found it nothing. I just ignore such terms as unnecessary to a discussion.
And here is new map
Notice the number of pockets and action in the south.
Notice the number of pockets and action in the south.
To hear our media tell it, the Ukrainian forces/heroes are constantly advancing upon the "pro-Russian" territories, slaughtering scores of rebel fighters/terrorists. Maps like this show a much different tactical and strategic reality. The resistance forces are using the most basic of tactics: withdraw and envelop when the enemy overextends themselves - and it's working out for them. Apparently they don't cover tactical training in neo-nazi officer school ;-)
And remember,rebel leadership are retired A-stan vets.slaughtering scores of rebel fighters/terrorists.
Not present silly A-stan version,but NATO-backed.
I feel bad for the Ukrainians who are getting thrown against the resistance fighters. From what I've heard (and Vlad would be a good source to confirm) there's been a lot of resistance from Ukrainians who are starting to reject their government's desire for further violence. They don't support the breakaway provinces but they're not willing to fight them, either.
If another wave of protests against the government break out, do you think American politicians will fly over and stand up on stages with them, as they demand a stop to the fighting? Somehow I don't think McCain, Nuland, or any of them would do so.
there's been a lot of resistance from Ukrainians who are starting to reject their government's desire for further violence.
I have numerous reports of civil unrest in the WESTERN Ukraine linked to near-universal conscription.In at least one of these cases local conscription station was destroyed.
It's not they are not willing to fight,but they are 100% not willing to die.Unlike rebels.
Not about Ukraine, but still relevant to our imperialist friends: Looking for positives in a beheading!
Hey Vlad. Stop invading Ukraine, okay? Please and thank you :-)
I am man of science,not a warrior.Our family works a little differently.
For example,my granddad up until his death a few years ago worked as one of the big bosses in this little company.I can't possibly say more,because KGB(and because he didn't actually tell me much),but i think you'll understand what i'm getting at.
Seriously, though - these guys got lost? Really? At best, not good PR, as western media will salivate at this new evidence. At worst ... how many troops do you think Russia has operating inside Ukraine?
Seriously, though - these guys got lost? Really?
It's possible.Russians are saying that it was unarmed,unequipped patrol.
I assume that also doesn't include GLONASS receivers.Also,since when said receivers become standard FOR BORDER GUARD ON BORDER WITH UKRAINE?!
It's no A-stan.It's peaceful.Or was peaceful.
Seriously, though - these guys got lost? Really?It's possible.Russians are saying that it was unarmed,unequipped patrol.
I assume that also doesn't include GLONASS receivers.
Also,since when said receivers become standard FOR BORDER GUARD ON BORDER WITH UKRAINE?!
It's no A-stan.It's peaceful.Or was peaceful.
Yeah, and as I understand it the border between Russia and Ukraine is somewhat ill-defined. Still, stupid on their part. I'm going to assume those are coerced statements, taken from them under threat.
I'm going to assume those are coerced statements, taken from them under threat.
I'm going to assume that these statements were not made by captured russians and are,in fact,fake.Something in which Ukraine excels,if not in quality,then in quantity.
Russian soldiers that are on camera telling some(censored)their mission?WTH?
But wait,there's more.
According to that video,russians were not have been given even a basic briefing!
So,10 men were given a vehicles and sent...somewhere...without additional orders.
Sounds just like modern russian army's modus operandi.
Sometimes i really regret that i don't drink.
I'm going to assume those are coerced statements, taken from them under threat.I'm going to assume that these statements were not made by captured russians and are,in fact,fake.Something in which Ukraine excels,if not in quality,then in quantity.
Russian soldiers that are on camera telling some(censored)their mission?
WTH?
But wait,there's more.
According to that video,russians were not have been given even a basic briefing!
So,10 men were given a vehicles and sent...somewhere...without additional orders.
Sounds just like modern russian army's modus operandi.
Sometimes i really regret that i don't drink.
Wait, I thought you were Russian. Isn't drinking like a national sport?
Wait, I thought you were Russian. Isn't drinking like a national sport?
Hm.I'll ask you one simple question.
What is vodka,historically?
Wait, I thought you were Russian. Isn't drinking like a national sport?Hm.I'll ask you one simple question.
What is vodka,historically?
Delicious forgetfulness juice?
Delicious forgetfulness juice?
Wait, I thought you were Russian. Isn't drinking like a national sport?Hm.I'll ask you one simple question.
What is vodka,historically?
No it is not.Basically,vodka,until...errr...early-middle 20th century(1934,i think),is a alcohol-containing...liquid.I don't even know how to translate it,it's basically potion of wine,but made with various fruits and berries i.e.orange vodka,strawberry vodka...but also could be said berries mixed WITH processed alcohol(this was called vodka or nalivka)...
What i'm trying to say,that until...not so much time ago,vodka was much more than 60%water,40%alcohol.Image of drinking russian is actually based on this,later version.
Previous vodkas were not nearly(mostly)as strong.
Average russian was a peasant,where would he get money to get drunk routinely?
But then,my wife's precursors were pretty awesome peasants,so this family is making wine to this day.
Wine,which not a century ago would be called Vodka.And it's rarely even 10% alcohol.
Now you know!
So,basically,now vodka is vodka,but back then you need to add a descriptor to actually identify it i.e. bread vodka,orange vodka,mint vodka and so on
Delicious forgetfulness juice?
Wait, I thought you were Russian. Isn't drinking like a national sport?Hm.I'll ask you one simple question.
What is vodka,historically?
No it is not.Basically,vodka,until...errr...early-middle 20th century(1934,i think),is a alcohol-containing...liquid.I don't even know how to translate it,it's basically potion of wine,but made with various fruits and berries i.e.orange vodka,strawberry vodka...but also could be said berries mixed WITH processed alcohol(this was called vodka or nalivka)...
What i'm trying to say,that until...not so much time ago,vodka was much more than 60%water,40%alcohol.
Image of drinking russian is actually based on this,later version.
Previous vodkas were not nearly(mostly)as strong.
Average russian was a peasant,where would he get money to get drunk routinely?
But then,my wife's precursors were pretty awesome peasants,so this family is making wine to this day.
Wine,which not a century ago would be called Vodka.And it's rarely even 10% alcohol.
Now you know!
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Okay, apologies if I said anything offensive.
Okay, apologies if I said anything offensive.
You did not:)
I just like to throw walls of text at people when i fail in pinball especially hard)
As a disclaimer, I must admit that I've a desire to see the world rise up in a great communist revolution, washing away all of the current systems that our beloved Imperialist forces hold so dear.
Vive le Galt!
If you are wandering why French has the best army in EU,that's why.Everyone hates them!.
More to the point,first round of negotiations in Minsk started.
I think i'll quote the Dark One:
No,we didn't talked about ceasefire.We actually can't do that,this is Ukraine,Donetsk,Lugansk internal buisness.
I'm starting to suspect he's actually a troll.Possibly THE troll.
Let's be clear about this:twitter posts and the staged videos are the only evidence anyone needs.
Why just not to tell us plainly:we need to create acceptable media image
for ukrainian defeat in decisive battle.We are sorry,but new boat ain't gonna buy itself.
Fun fact:i re-checked and it looks like russian ministry of defence,in fact,NOT admitted that squad of border guard was captured.
Holy Wall Of Text,Batman!
How exactly did i managed to mock France by telling it's have the best military in EU,again?
You see,when i miss the point,i'm doing it for comical reasons.What's your excuse?
But i do like that wall of text,yes.It's wrong like skill challenges design,but unlike said design,it contains...what it's called...effort soul!Yes,soul.So i will not take it apart.
But i especially like the idea that Crazy Ivans can't build ships^^.
]While pirates were making "Parlé"
Again you are missing the point...about as hard as the first time.
Parley is what's actually happens in Minsk.And pirates clip is for illustration of crazy circumstances,while france reference is both to said clip and to that it really got the awesome military.
Geez,man,lighten up
I hate youtube sometimes
If you are wandering why French has the best army in EU,that's why.Everyone hates them!.While pirates were making "Parlé" Russia was still trying to understand how to construct ships and how to sail them. And by the time Russia was keeping them floating and gathered enough of sailors to fill them pirates had mainly disappeared.
Still, Russia has difficulties with its navy, as till august 2000 not all Russian submarines had the capacity to surface. Most probably there must be a unique single word in Russian language for submerging and sinking...
Actually, the brits have the best-drilled and most effective troops in the EU. French aren't even close.
French military proficiency was most amply demonstrated in WW2, where they were slapped around and occupied by the Nazis; when they were humiliated in Vietnam (prior to the American humiliation, of course); and by helping create the terrorist wonderland by bombing Libya.
Russia, on the other hand, is where western armies go to die.
Actually, the brits have the best-drilled and most effective troops in the EU.
But France got the best hardware!And it's mostly ingenious,which is worth at least triple points in my eyes)
Actually, the brits have the best-drilled and most effective troops in the EU.But France got the best hardware!And it's mostly ingenious,which is worth at least triple points in my eyes)
Good, well-drilled men are indispensable; military technology can be sourced from a variety of different suppliers.
Well, they did give us the word "chauvinism."
Bumps commie propaganda article about evils of France:
French Troops Out of Central African Republic! Fifty Interventions in Fifty Years of African Independence
Now, Russia has also a question to answer: does Russia want a nuclear war? The EU won't accept a new Russian expansionism, at least not with a non-democratic and unreliable Russia.
But Russia should be forced to accept NATO expansionism, right up to their own doorstep?
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So the Ukraine should just let Russia do whatever they want? Hell no
Russia has no right to rule over the Ukraine, the Ukraine is independent and should be allowed to do deals that its citizens have voted to be beneficial. If Russia dislikes that, it shouldn't resort to funding terrorists and fuelling a civil war but try to win the Ukraine over with diplomacy and deals. It seems to me though, than Russia doesn't have anything the Ukraine wants and thats why its been resulting to these vile tactics.
But Russia should be forced to accept NATO expansionism, right up to their own doorstep?
Let us all be civil here.
Also you forgot that linkSo the Ukraine should just let Russia do whatever they want?
Russia officially does nothing.Except sending ripoffs of 70s blockbusters.
Ukraine is independent
Sovereign.It is by no means independent.
should be allowed to do deals that its citizens have voted to be beneficial.
Yes.Like,you see,not doing coups against democratically elected government.
TWICE.Russia shouldn't resort to funding terrorists
Wait,what?
than Russia doesn't have anything the Ukraine wants
Except,you know,almost everything.From markets to resources.
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Well,OBVIOUSLY!Because you are either that or commie.
Putin is an imperialistApparently it's called something other than "imperialist" when commies do it. Cause I suspect it looks much the same to the pawns.
And there are other options. Is Sweden Imperialist? Just to pick a random example.
Sweden is a county in the impeiralist state of EU, and a willing henchman and asskisser for NATO.
BTW, I don't know of any even self-proclaimed commies that have acted in an imperialist way. Granted people like Stalin where horrible dictators and I in no way excuse their horribleness, but imperialism isn't really what they did.
Much like fascism, imperialism isn't just "bad things" - it is a specific sort of bad thing.
Sweden is a county in the impeiralist state of EU, and a willing henchman and asskisser for NATO.
Colony.
But i just said that!people like Stalin where horrible dictators and I in no way excuse their horribleness.
Because then you would be stealing my bread.
But then,i suspect that without a few thousand hours digging into various libraries it's really hard to even acknowledge that most of things said about the man after his death MIGHT be BS.
So the Ukraine should just let Russia do whatever they want? Hell no
Russia has no right to rule over the Ukraine, the Ukraine is independent and should be allowed to do deals that its citizens have voted to be beneficial. If Russia dislikes that, it shouldn't resort to funding terrorists and fuelling a civil war but try to win the Ukraine over with diplomacy and deals. It seems to me though, than Russia doesn't have anything the Ukraine wants and thats why its been resulting to these vile tactics.
I'm going to assume you're merely ignorant, and not stupid.
1. Russia did win over Ukraine with a better deal than the EU offered. The EU and the USA then funded and openly supported a neo-nazi coup against a democratically elected leader. That's good old fashioned regime change.
2. The west is funding and supporting true terror in Ukraine. How many civilians have been murdered, locked in burning buildings, etc, on Kiev's orders?
3. Really? Russia has nothing Ukraine wants? Natural gas. Which they refused to pay for, so Russia turned off the tap.
4. Is Russia supporting the separatists? Absolutely. And so should they; right on their own doorstep, and ethnically Russian, these are people who voted in a referendum to find their own path. You like democracy, right? Well, Ukraine doesn't, and they'd rather murder those people than see them have a right to self-determination. Russia wants stability and peace on their borders, not murderous neo-nazi thugs.
Let us all be civil here.
Piss off, Vlad :-)
3. Really? Russia has nothing Ukraine wants? Natural gas. Which they refused to pay for, so Russia turned off the tap.
Natural gas is just hot news right now.It's the tip of the iceberg.
Spoilers:check how much of ukrainian power grid is depending on nuclear power plants.
4. Is Russia supporting the separatists? Absolutely.
But without proof,and so it isn't happening:)
But then,convoy was at least indirect support.Because food.
Piss off, Vlad :-)
I'll feed you to a local commie goblin.
= Oxford Dictionaries=
I say again,we speak commie language here.Yes,we have a different definition of imperialism.No,it is by said definition does not apply to soviet republics.
Because imperialism is the final stage of capitalism,and communism is not capitalism.But wait,there's more.Your definition would be wrong in case of Soviet Union,because,as you said,it's the policy to extend country's power and influence...
And this is not even remotely goal of socialist revolution.
Is there a name for that thing then?
Expansion of socialism.
I still suspect it looks pretty much the same to the other countries being taken over.
Hell no.It's the difference between switching the final recipient of your taxes and being invaded by aliens.
Or,in most interesting cases,being taken over by aliens from the inside(China,Nam,Cuba,Korea,Lybia...the list goes on)
Lenin on Imperialism: The "Too Long; Didn't Read" Version by Doodlebug Anklebiter
Lenin defines capitalist imperialism as follows:
"(1) The concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital and the creation, on the basis of this ‘finance capital,’ of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital, as distinguished from the export of commodities, acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves; and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed.”
Of course, there are other, non-Leninist definitions.
I remember, not too long ago, reading my old comrades' articles on Solidarnosc back in the early eighties and I was struck by their claims (which I never attempted to verify) that the Soviet Stalinists had a conscious policy to keep the standards of living in Poland higher than they were in the Soviet Union proper.
I don't know if that was a specific thing for Poland (Gierek?, Gomulka?, name from the past keep appearing, uncalled for, in my memory!), but I remember thinking that it was an interesting reversal of standard imperialist practice.
= Oxford Dictionaries=I say again,we speak commie language here.Yes,we have a different definition of imperialism.No,it is by said definition does not apply to soviet republics.
Because imperialism is the final stage of capitalism,and communism is not capitalism.
But wait,there's more.Your definition would be wrong in case of Soviet Union,because,as you said,it's the policy to extend country's power and influence...
And this is not even remotely goal of socialist revolution.
So, when the Soviet Union took over other countries and expanded its power and influence, that was something else entirely than when non-communist countries do it? Is there a name for that thing then?
Which is what I said originally, by the way. I still suspect it looks pretty much the same to the other countries being taken over.
I don't really think the USSR was a very good example of communism, at all. It's activities largely mirrored those of the US, which we all agree was/is imperialist. I have no problem saying the USSR was imperialist, quibbles over specific definitions aside.
Please don't take my commie card away, Comrades Vlad and Anklebiter!!!
I don't really think the USSR was a very good example of communism, at all.
USSR actually was socialist country,but there never was a communism.
Also,even as socialist country for the last half of it's existence it was not...very good.Except for scientists and their families^^