Rapthorn2ndform |
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My players are going to be fighting a 7th level old monk soon and they are only about 3rd level.
I want the monk to throw out his back after the first round.
I was thinking -2 Str and Dex, Loses evasion and Staggered for 1 round.
Being a strapping young lad, I have never experienced this so I am looking for input.
insaneogeddon |
I'd try to stay within the current rules for balance/reasonable expectations. I imagine its painful thus:
SYMBOL OF PAIN
School necromancy [evil]; Level cleric 5, sorcerer/wizard 5
Components V, S, M (mercury and phosphorus, plus powdered diamond and opal worth a total of 1,000 gp)
This spell functions like symbol of death, except that each creature within the radius of a symbol of pain instead suffers wracking pains that impose a –4 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks. These effects last for 1 hour after the creature moves farther than 60 feet from the symbol.
Unlike symbol of death, symbol of pain has no hit point limit; once triggered, a symbol of pain simply remains active for 10 minutes per caster level.
Note: Magic traps such as symbol of pain are hard to detect and disable. While any character can use Perception to find a symbol, only a character with the trapfinding class feature can use Disable Device to disarm it. The DC in each case is 25 + spell level, or 30 for symbol of pain.
Change the DC to disarm to a DC for the heal check to fix it!
MattR1986 |
I'd do it kind of like fatigue. Give a -2 to all physical rolls and 1/2 speed. If you try to exert yourself in anyway that would aggravate it you go to -4 and 1/4 movement.
And lol, isn't it a little anti-climactic to have the party face off against a BBEG and he goes "aaahh m'back! time-out! Gotta get some motrin and see when Murder She Wrote is on!".
Rapthorn2ndform |
What about making him older?. Adult= normal stats, middle aged = -1 to all phys, +1 to all mental, old= additional -2, +2, etc... (I think this is covered in the additional rules section).
If he has a back that's worse than his his average guy in the age group, then adjust slightly.
He is old already. BUT...i KINDA want him to have a BADASS entry, that just falls apart.
"Stand down, old man."
"Who you calling old." *Flexes Bicep*
"Oh crap."
*throws out back*
"Oh crap."
blackbloodtroll |
Why not just steal from Council of Thieves?
Hunchback (Ex)
Your hunched and twisted back forces you to walk with a clumsy, shuffling gait. This reduces your land speed by 10 feet and imparts a –2 penalty on Reflex saves and Initiative checks.
Fomsie |
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Really depends on what exactly you mean by throwing out his back.
As someone with a damaged back, I can tell you that when it is really bad, I can barely stand, let alone walk or actually do anything even remotely strenuous like,say, breathing deeply or turning my head.
The effect can very widely depending on how serious you plan on his bad back being. A pinched nerve can be painful to debilitating, a slipped or herniated disc can be paralyzing. All depends.
LazarX |
Snow_Tiger wrote:What about making him older?. Adult= normal stats, middle aged = -1 to all phys, +1 to all mental, old= additional -2, +2, etc... (I think this is covered in the additional rules section).
If he has a back that's worse than his his average guy in the age group, then adjust slightly.
He is old already. BUT...i KINDA want him to have a BADASS entry, that just falls apart.
"Stand down, old man."
"Who you calling old." *Flexes Bicep*
"Oh crap."
*throws out back*
"Oh crap."
I take it you're going for comedy then?
Rapthorn2ndform |
Rapthorn2ndform wrote:I take it you're going for comedy then?Snow_Tiger wrote:What about making him older?. Adult= normal stats, middle aged = -1 to all phys, +1 to all mental, old= additional -2, +2, etc... (I think this is covered in the additional rules section).
If he has a back that's worse than his his average guy in the age group, then adjust slightly.
He is old already. BUT...i KINDA want him to have a BADASS entry, that just falls apart.
"Stand down, old man."
"Who you calling old." *Flexes Bicep*
"Oh crap."
*throws out back*
"Oh crap."
With this fight, yes. We've just had some pretty severe drama and just restarted w/ lv 1s not long ago. I' kinda wanna keep it light for a few sessions.
BigDTBone |
Depending on the severity of your back pain.....-10 on all your ability scores.....yeah it can be that bad.
Maybe the "nausiated" condition. back pain can get in the way of everything. Sometimes you just want to be shot to be put out of your misery.
Good luck
Absolutely Agree.
Nauseated, Slowed, -4 to INT, WIS, CON, -8 CHA, -10 STR, DEX. Prone condition. Helpless condition.
These are all particularly true of someone who spent their lives fit and virile, because they won't be accustomed to the severity of the pain. Just like when superman loses his powers he is a total puss.
Bruunwald |
I've thrown my back out a couple of times (and by the way, you don't need to be old to do this -- the first time I really threw out my back I was only about 22).
You hobble a bit. Have a hard time standing up straight and getting up. Besides any penalties you might get for the pain, or whatever other conditions you might impose, you ought to consider that the character's speed is affected somehow.
I know I wasn't up for running or quick movement in general.
aboniks |
Lipto the Shiv wrote:Great point. Throwing out your back also gives you the crotchety old man condition.Reading these responses makes me feel like the paizo community consists of crotchety old men with walkers going on about 'When I was your age...'
...oh, wait. ;P
Crotchety Old Man always seemed OP to me. +10 movement speed when going uphill both ways in the snow, and getting the intimidate bonus to clear people off your lawn is a bit much.
BigDTBone |
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BigDTBone wrote:Crotchety Old Man always seemed OP to me. +10 movement speed when going uphill both ways in the snow, and getting the intimidate bonus to clear people off your lawn is a bit much.Lipto the Shiv wrote:Great point. Throwing out your back also gives you the crotchety old man condition.Reading these responses makes me feel like the paizo community consists of crotchety old men with walkers going on about 'When I was your age...'
...oh, wait. ;P
Nah, that's why you can only gain access to that condition late in the game.