I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*
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Might I bring up the Wyveren race? They are a race with the type dragon, and are playable. They also can fly. They are not from a ritual.
Aren't Wyvarans half kobold half wyverns created from experiments originally? :P
Also, seems like if they will be ever included, they will be as aliens on some other planet, like trox, kasatha, gathlain and wyrwood. Dunno whether they will remain as half kobolds either since trox's duergar mention is bestiary only thing as well.
I really want one. I've always liked draconic races in pretty much anything.
They may be kind of "over done"...but so are Elves, Dwarfs, and Hobbits Halflings, so I don't see that as an issue.
It's also a good opportunity for another race with a ton of variants, like Aasimar, Tiefling, Dhampir, and Skinwalker.
It's good to have more races that can fit well with any class, helps narrow down the "I like this race but it SUUUCKS for my class" dilemma to at least "I like this variant of this race but it SUUUCKS for my class".
Blood of Serpents sounds pretty great too.
I've found that I very much like roleplaying reptilian characters after having played as a Sky-Priest. Lots of fun opportunities for the minor oddities a non-mammalian physiology present.
Actually I may make one myself and start using it. Dunno why I haven't already.
What is a Sky-Priest, if you don't mind me asking?
It's a serpentfolk-like creature from the planet Triaxus (the other habitable planet in Golarion's solar system). They're not statted, and not much is written about them that I know of, so the GM let me stat them up and come up with a short blurb on their race based on what little there is. Basically, they're a mountain dwelling race of serpentine creatures that worship Gozreh, whose blood "literally flows with divine power", because Goreh created the land and sky and rules over them.
My particular character was a worshiper of Desna (he saw her as the greater goddess, as the creator of the heavens...without which there would be nothing for the planet to exist in, and therefore no land and sky at all).
Alias here.
Ignore the character sheet and whatnot, it's for a different game that was going to involve a lot of plane hopping, so I imported him to that Recruitment since I thought it'd be fun to play the same character after several years passed (though was not chosen).
Race stats at the bottom spoiler. Fairly simple.
Wyvarans are ok, but they are not the dragon based race I am looking for. Also I think that the dragon type is way over priced for the race point system from the ARG.
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I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*I could see it as a template for familiars...
Hope springs eternal :)
Hope springs eternal :)I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*I could see it as a template for familiars...
Someone else was talking about the feyborn (I think that was the name) racial rebuild options in Heroes of the Wild. Could that serve as the foundation that you could then build into a racial version of a "variant multiclass" for a half-faerie dragon?
Or maybe modular sorcerer & bloodrager bloodlines that grant abilities and racial changes based on the different fey ancestor types? And the Ouat dwarf monks already set a precedent for a class archetype that makes racial modifications.
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I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*There's already a whole third party book, devoted to yes... half-faerie dragons sold right here on this site.
LazarX, did you happen to glance at the author's name on that book? :) I think Todd meant sneaking it into an official Paizo product.
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It's on the link. I'm pretty sure that Jon Brazer Enterprises, consists entirely of Jon Brazer. :)LazarX, did you happen to glance at the author's name on that book? :) I think Todd meant sneaking it into an official Paizo product.I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*There's already a whole third party book, devoted to yes... half-faerie dragons sold right here on this site.
Except that Todd wrote that book for JBE.
Except that Todd wrote that book for JBE.It's on the link. I'm pretty sure that Jon Brazer Enterprises, consists entirely of Jon Brazer. :)LazarX, did you happen to glance at the author's name on that book? :) I think Todd meant sneaking it into an official Paizo product.I will never be able to sneak a half-faerie dragon into something official. *sniffles*There's already a whole third party book, devoted to yes... half-faerie dragons sold right here on this site.
:)
Has anyone mentioned In The Company of Dragons from Rite Publishing yet?
Has anyone mentioned In The Company of Dragons from Rite Publishing yet?
It has, by steve himself.
But we don't want to play full-blooded Dragons, we want dragon-hybrids.
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But we don't want to play full-blooded Dragons, we want dragon-hybrids.
There was a 3.X third-party book called Arcana: Societies of Magic, by Green Ronin, that detailed a group of dragon-blooded people who were descended from half-dragons, but not 'dragony' enough to be half-dragons, and so had a different racial type called Drakeling. (Sort of like how Tiefling or Aasimar are lesser versions of Half-Fiends or Half-Celestials.)
An equally 'lesser' version of Half-Dragon to occupy a niche similar to tiefling or aasimar (more or less balanced against core races), could be fun, and very versatile, since there are a bunch of different dragon types.
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I loved the Races of the Dragon book for 3.5, and used that sucker for a few PCs and a number of NPCs.
It seems like there's a conscious effort on the part of Paizo to avoid any tropes that seem too Forgotten Realms-ish such as having Dragons pretend to be human - which would seem to preclude the notion of half-dragons.
Third party might be the only way to go on this one for the foreseeable future.
1.) Forgotten Realms invented dragon-blooded humans that live among humans? News to me.
2.) Silver Dragons and whatnot already change shape into humans and such and live among them, so that ship has sailed.
1.) Forgotten Realms invented dragon-blooded humans that live among humans? News to me.
1. You're welcome then!
1.) Forgotten Realms invented dragon-blooded humans that live among humans? News to me.
2.) Silver Dragons and whatnot already change shape into humans and such and live among them, so that ship has sailed.
Here's a more specific response for you from the horses mouth - and I'll leave out my smart aleck response to your rude reply to my rather innocuous comment.
Actually... the BEST bet is to just go with the parts of the book that you like the most.
The main thing we've reoriented as far as dragons are concerned is that dragons in the Inner Sea region do not spend a lot of time posing as humans and hanging out with humanoids. That's a very Forgotten Realms construct, and we want Golarion to be different. Evil dragons are devastating monsters, and good dragons are remote philosophers/hermits who don't mix with other races much at all—they value their privacy. Hermea is the big exception.
And the Dragon Empires, of course.
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Doesn't Pathfinder still have half-dragons as "crazy wizard experiments" sort of thing anyway? <_< Dunno why that would prevent it in any way.
I mean, unless thieflings and aasimars are more common(outside pcs) than I thought? Then again, even if just one fiend had half fiend human children, that blood line would spread far unless each thiefling generation's siblings have only one sibling further the lineage I suppose xP
I get that devs don't like dragons blood shenanigans, but I'm just saying that it isn't really hard to insert without breaking the lore. I mean, if you can insert descendants of were-whatevers who have lycanthropy related abilities from their ancestry(even if they are for some reason more common in Arcadia than in Inner Sea) to the game, it doesn't sound like it'd be that impossible thing to do.
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Doesn't Pathfinder still have half-dragons as "crazy wizard experiments" sort of thing anyway? <_< Dunno why that would prevent it in any way.
I mean, unless thieflings and aasimars are more common(outside pcs) than I thought? Then again, even if just one fiend had half fiend human children, that blood line would spread far unless each thiefling generation's siblings have only one sibling further the lineage I suppose xP
I get that devs don't like dragons blood shenanigans, but I'm just saying that it isn't really hard to insert without breaking the lore. I mean, if you can insert descendants of were-whatevers who have lycanthropy related abilities from their ancestry(even if they are for some reason more common in Arcadia than in Inner Sea) to the game, it doesn't sound like it'd be that impossible thing to do.
I think they're trying to have the sorcerer and bloodrager bloodlines come off as a "close enough" aspect to the half-X creature.
They do have a ton of interesting Feats, if nothing else.
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Doesn't Pathfinder still have half-dragons as "crazy wizard experiments" sort of thing anyway? <_< Dunno why that would prevent it in any way.
Ideally, any sort of 'blood' critter, whether it be a sorcerer bloodline, a tiefling or a half-celestial, should be flavor-able as someone touched / tainted by other-racely attributes (either in utero, or the parent was affected a long time ago, or perhaps even as an adult of their own species through draconic ritual or a near-death experience by drowning in demon ichor or whatever), without some sort of interspecies sexing-up being involved.
I get that devs don't like dragons blood shenanigans, but I'm just saying that it isn't really hard to insert without breaking the lore. I mean, if you can insert descendants of were-whatevers who have lycanthropy related abilities from their ancestry(even if they are for some reason more common in Arcadia than in Inner Sea) to the game, it doesn't sound like it'd be that impossible thing to do.
Skinwalkers might turn out to be why we *won't* see dragonblooded races between half-dragons and standard humans/elves/etc. Too many 'half-this' and 'quarter-that' races might feel like it's gone too far and is diluting the brand, so to speak.
Plus D&D rubbed up against Dragonborn pretty hard and left their scent on it, perhaps discouraging Paizo from going in that same direction, when there are so many (dozens of) other directions they can go.
That said, the existence of not-Genasi (Ifrit, Slyphs, etc.), Changelings, Dhampir, Felchlings, etc. might *also* count as 'diluting the brand,' so perhaps I'm just talking out my butt again. :)
I just like the idea of a 'dragonblood' template that one could strap onto a human or elf to make it more dragon-y (but not nearly so overpowered compared to core races as the half-dragon template), or perhaps even a version that could be applied to a kobold to bring it up to core balance.
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Changelings are not a part human race, they are just the "larval" stage of Hags wich need humans and some other humanoids to reproduce.
The Fetchlings are a group of humans that went to the plane of shadows(for whatever reason) and were changed by it.
I am all for some dragon themed races wether they are like the dragon born or just look human with minor draconic characteristics like reptilian eyes, some scales, a couple of small horns, etc.
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I'd like to point out that there ARE fetchlings born from human x shae pairings. So they are kinda complicated.
But yeaaaah, as you just said, even if the reasoning is "Having race like that for every possible half quarter critter is silly", little too late by now <_<
BTW, are D&D dragonborn that bad besides bad way of clumsily inserting them into previous settings while also breaking lore of those settings(from what I heard)? I mean, is there really anything wrong with race itself? I'm not really that familiar with D&D
I still think we need a half-human/half-dwarf race and a gnome/Halfling mix as well.
"Incompatible"! It is all lies and propaganda by the Taldan, Chelaxian, and other "pure bloods";)
I still think we need a half-human/half-dwarf race
I like Dark Sun's Muls.
There's a few Pathfinder conversions around.
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The original dragonborn were way cooler - basically other humanoids (humans, elves, etc.) who were "born again" in a ritual to Bahamut.
I read that as 'born again in a ritual to Baphomet' and thought, 'what is this delicious madness!'
Bahamut. Bah. So deadly dull. Tiamat was much more interesting, and we've got neither in Pathfinder.
What about Half Human... HALF HUMAN?!
...oh wait, that's just another human then.
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The original dragonborn were way cooler - basically other humanoids (humans, elves, etc.) who were "born again" in a ritual to Bahamut.I read that as 'born again in a ritual to Baphomet' and thought, 'what is this delicious madness!'
Bahamut. Bah. So deadly dull. Tiamat was much more interesting, and we've got neither in Pathfinder.
Isn't Apsu basically Bahamut, but with name from same mythology as Tiamat? .-.
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Isn't Apsu basically Bahamut, but with name from same mythology as Tiamat? .-.Bahamut. Bah. So deadly dull. Tiamat was much more interesting, and we've got neither in Pathfinder.
Possibly. Also dull, IMO.
Racial gods, IMO, are inherently limited and therefore inferior to gods that transcend race or culture or species.
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What about Half Human... HALF HUMAN?!
...oh wait, that's just another human then.
I just ended up with two half-humans. And blood everywhere.
Oh well, it's like I always say: when life gives you longpork, fire up the smoker and mix up a batch of dry rub.
Considering halflings are just smaller humans then you would think they could crossbreed with other small races like gnomes, goblins, etc. and any creature that can with humans as well.