Mythic Eldritch Heritage with Greater Eldritch Heritage


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So, I was wondering if I chose the Mythic Eldritch Heritage and either, had Greater Eldritch Heritage already, or would get it later, would I be considered as having level for bloodline purposes equal to my character level, and therefore eventually getting the 20th level bloodline power via Mythic Eldritch Heritage?

Ultimate Magic wrote:


Greater Eldritch Heritage
Your discovered bloodline power reaches its zenith.
Prerequisites: Cha 17, Eldritch Heritage, Improved Eldritch Heritage, character level 17th.
Benefit: You gain an additional power from the bloodline you selected with the Eldritch Heritage feat. You gain a 15th-level (or lower) sorcerer bloodline power that you do not already have. For purposes of using that power, treat your character level as your sorcerer level for all your sorcerer bloodline powers granted by this feat, Eldritch Heritage, and Improved Eldritch Heritage.
Mythic Adventures wrote:


ELDRITCH HERITAGE (MYTHIC)
The blood of your sorcerous ancestor mingles with your mythic power to great effect.
Prerequisites: Eldritch Heritage.
Benefit: You gain sorcerer bloodline powers of the bloodline tied to Eldritch Heritage as if your sorcerer level were your character level – 2. For that bloodline's 1st-level bloodline power, use your full character level to determine its effect; for all other bloodline powers, treat your sorcerer level as your character level – 2.

emphasis mine.

Logically you'd think that if you take four (4) feats alone for that one bloodline, and one being a mythic feat, you'd be treated as a character level equal to sorcerer level AND get the 20th level bloodline power as well, but it doesn't say that in there. Besides Greater Eldritch Heritage pretty much makes Mythic Eldritch Heritage otherwise redundant.

I'm tempted to flag this one for errata.


I would sugest retraining the mythic feat, i think getting the capstone is just too powerfull.

I think the intent was to let characters tht dont have the cha to get greater eldritch heritage take the mythic get the higher effective level

Just my take on it but yes mythic EH is useless to anyone with greater EH


BlueAria wrote:

I would sugest retraining the mythic feat, i think getting the capstone is just too powerfull.

I think the intent was to let characters tht dont have the cha to get greater eldritch heritage take the mythic get the higher effective level

Just my take on it but yes mythic EH is useless to anyone with greater EH

I think you misunderstood. I didn't say I had Mythic EH. I was thinking about this in advance whether I should take it or not. and if I took how would all the four feats work with each other. And just how is it too powerful if I spent four (4) pretty precious feats to achieve that level of power.


I guess I don't understand the feat.

My reading is that if you take Eldritch Heritate in a bloodline, then Mythic Eldritch Heritage, you gain ALL the powers for that bloodline from then on "as if your sorcerer level were your character level – 2."

So no need to take Improved and Greater Eldritch heritage (unless you are really concerned about caster level).

Do you guys know what they meant exactly? Because my thinking was it was entirely possible to get all the powers for as many bloodlines as you could devote two feats to.

Well three. Forgot about Skill Focus.


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the question that pops up for me, is that with greater eldritch heritage you will count your total character level as your sorcerer level and with mythic eldritch heritage it says you get ALL powers. (this is rather odd, since mythic eldritch heritage doesn't take those later feats into account at all. How mythic is that if you can't get them all, especially with Mythic feat.


Yeah wow i never realized how good mythic eh was i just thought it get you use the first level ability at full level, no wonder i thought it was so underwhelming. But still find me any bloodline capstone that could be emulated with 4 feat and i would buy that you could do that but i dont like letting anyone get class abilities for feats in the first place so i guess im not the one to ask but yeah RAW i think it works but RAI i dont think it was ment to get you the capstone even with 4 feats but hey its a level 17 mythic character so not realy the craziest thing you could do


Here's how I see it:

With Eldritch Heritage, Improved and Greater, you get
1st level power, and two of the 3rd, 9th or 15th level powers, at your character level.

With Eldritch Heritage and Mythic Eldritch Heritage, you get
1st level power at your character level, and the 3rd, 9th, and 15th level powers all at your character level -2

With all four feets, you get the 1st level power at your character level, and two of the 15th or lower powers at your character level, and gain the power you didn't pick at your character level -2.

At no point do you gain the level 20 power unless you can somehow have your character level be 22.

Personally, Mythic eldritch heritage is only worth it if you do not take the Improved or Greater feats. Otherwise it's kind of a waste of a mythic feat.


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With Mythic Eldritch Heritage you could get the 20th level power at Level 18 by using a robe of arcane heritage for an effective sorcerer level (concerning the bloodline) of character Level +2 (-2+4).

Of course, there is a debate if non-sorcerers may don and profit from a robe of arcane heritage.


With Mythic without Greater, I think you can obtain the 20th level power at 22th character level (if levels Beyond 20th are allowed in your game).
Otherwise, I agree that the Mythic feat renders the feat chain pretty useless, unless Mythic rules are not allowed in your game or Mythic versions of the other two feats come out (and they will in Mythic Mania, though it's 3PP product...).
However, this feat has become a must-have for ALL my Mythic characters. I absolutely adore it.


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I suppose that would depend on if you think the reference to Eldritch Heritage in the Greater Eldritch Heritage feat, legitimately includes Eldritch Heritage (Mythic)

Greater Eldritch Heritage wrote:
treat your character level as your sorcerer level for all your sorcerer bloodline powers granted by this feat, Eldritch Heritage, and Improved Eldritch Heritage.

If "Eldritch Heritage" includes "Eldritch Heritage (Mythic)" then yes, you would be considered a sorcerer of your full character level, and thus would gain all powers at 1st, 3rd, 9th, 15th, and 20th levels.

If "Eldritch Heritage" doesn't include "Eldritch Heritage (Mythic)" then taking Greater Eldritch Heritage doesn't really do much at all.


While I can see a GM ruling no, I personally as a GM would say that yeah if you take Greater Eldritch AND Mythic Eldritch, then sure you can have the capstone. Hell, you're frickin' 20th level. Either you are going to be capped at 20, or you are going epic so either way having the level 20 capstone isn't that broken when you're 20+ IMO


My take, greater doesnt affect the benefits granted by mythic expect to overwrite the level for the abilities you selected with improved and greater. As posted earlier, just dont take improved or greater, and pick up robes of arcane heritage, bang you get better than full bloodline progression.


Calth wrote:
My take, greater doesnt affect the benefits granted by mythic expect to overwrite the level for the abilities you selected with improved and greater. As posted earlier, just dont take improved or greater, and pick up robes of arcane heritage, bang you get better than full bloodline progression.

Yeah, if that actually works it's a great idea, although I can't seem to find where Paizo has said that Robes of Arcane Heritage work with Eldritch Heritage, only players all agreeing that it does...


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Robes text:

These elegant, dark purple and royal blue robes are usually decorated with gold stitching depicting a sorcerer bloodline, though some indicate a family tree. The stitching changes to match the sorcerer bloodline of the wearer. The wearer treats her sorcerer level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of determining what bloodline powers she can use and their effects.

Eldritch Heritage and associated feats gives you an effective sorcerer level and access to certain bloodline powers. Robes increase effective sorcerer level for bloodline powers. If the robes said something like are treated as four levels higher for purpose of the effects of their bloodline, dropping power, it would not work with eldritch heritage, but the sorcerers would gain early access to feats and spells. Or if they didnt have the text about determining what powers you have access to, they wouldnt work with Mythic EH to give you the capstone at level 18,


so i have a question that is kind weird if you took multiple if EH and MEH you could get a few bloodline powers to full at lvl 22 so insed of that can you just take the one MEH and multiple EH for the same at lvl 22 getting the cap stone powers of the multiple for the one mythic EH


Eldrich heritage can only be taken once.


If you want multiple bloodlines at max, go for spheres of power and take an incanter (2 bloodlines from the class but that's almost all of your class features) vmc sorcerer (another bloodline) and skill focus/eh/ieh/geh/ehm. This is every feat and most class features. Congratz, blood for the blood god. One robe of arcane heritage coming up.


will this: Mythic Bloodline (Su)

When determining the effects of your bloodline powers, you're considered 4 levels higher. This increases the effects of powers you have access to, but doesn't grant you powers at a lower level than normal. If you have a sorcerer bloodline power that can be used multiple times per day, such as metamagic adept, you gain a number of extra uses of that power equal to half your tier (minimum 1). You must have the bloodline class feature to select this ability.

work with EH and MEH?

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o0NAVI0o wrote:

will this: Mythic Bloodline (Su)

When determining the effects of your bloodline powers, you're considered 4 levels higher. This increases the effects of powers you have access to, but doesn't grant you powers at a lower level than normal. If you have a sorcerer bloodline power that can be used multiple times per day, such as metamagic adept, you gain a number of extra uses of that power equal to half your tier (minimum 1). You must have the bloodline class feature to select this ability.

work with EH and MEH?

Not by RAW, because you never "have" the bloodline - you just keep getting the individual powers from it. If you had the bloodline as a class feature, but still needed Eldritch Heritage (somehow), then it should work.

That said, ask your GM. I'd allow you to take it with just Eldritch Heritage (as one of the very few non-gamebreaking things an archmage could do), and I bet many other GMs would too.


Kalindlara wrote:
o0NAVI0o wrote:

will this: Mythic Bloodline (Su)

When determining the effects of your bloodline powers, you're considered 4 levels higher. This increases the effects of powers you have access to, but doesn't grant you powers at a lower level than normal. If you have a sorcerer bloodline power that can be used multiple times per day, such as metamagic adept, you gain a number of extra uses of that power equal to half your tier (minimum 1). You must have the bloodline class feature to select this ability.

work with EH and MEH?

Not by RAW, because you never "have" the bloodline - you just keep getting the individual powers from it. If you had the bloodline as a class feature, but still needed Eldritch Heritage (somehow), then it should work.

That said, ask your GM. I'd allow you to take it with just Eldritch Heritage (as one of the very few non-gamebreaking things an archmage could do), and I bet many other GMs would too.

yes I have 2 blood lines draconic and elemental (fire){<with EH and MEH}

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