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Dwarven Stonelord build help.


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Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Modules, Pawns Subscriber

Using PFS rules, what would be a good Dwarven Stonelord build? This will be a ROTRL adventure. I'm not familiar with this Archetype and what would mesh well with it. Thanks for your help.


To consistently contribute-

Steel Soul (APG) +4 saves
Power Attack
Dazing Assault at 11th

Oh and get the remove fatigue mercy at 6th (so your stance can be moved at will)

Rest pretty open:

weapon focus, extra lay on hands (adds up better than toughness and more flexible/spreadable), maybe improved natural armor?

Perhaps a throwing shield from the equipment guide is worth the weapon proficiency.
Ideally one with the bashing and called enhancements.

Nothing like a surprise 20ft range shield attack to get people to move up to your defensive stance.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Modules, Pawns Subscriber

Nice idea on the shield. I don't have to stat charisma like a normal pally correct. No use for it if I'm reading it right.


I believe Charisma still increases Lay on Hands per day, so while you can get away with dumping it, it's not worthless.


Dwarf Stonelord Paladin 20
Alternative Racial Traits: Giant Hunter

Traits: Glory of Old, Reactionary

STATS:

Str 16 (+ 1 at 4th, 8th, 16th and 12th lvls)
Dex 14
Con 16
Int 12
Wis 14
Cha 5 (+1 at 12th lvl)

1 Stonelord Steel Soul
2 Stonelord
3 Stonelord Combat Reflexes
4 Stonelord Elemental Channel (bonus)
5 Stonelord Power Attack
6 Stonelord
7 Stonelord Lunge
8 Stonelord Power: Bulwark
9 Stonelord Darting Viper
10 Stonelord
11 Stonelord Dazing Assault
12 Stonelord Power: Halting Blow
13 Stonelord Improved Critical (Dorn Dergar)
14 Stonelord
15 Stonelord Hard-headed
16 Stonelord Power: Intercept
17 Stonelord Dented Helm
18 Stonelord
19 Stonelord Cloven Helm
20 Stonelord Power: Unexpected Strike

Shadow Lodge

I'd try a dip in Unbreakable Fighter [which actually makes a lot of sense for a Stonelord flavorwise, at least in my opinion], and take Combat Expertise+Stalwart line for even more DR. Helps you be a full plate DR tank with self heals, to never ever go down. Ever.


I would go pure stonelord. They have a constant increase of class abilities and delaying is painful.
The feat cost and stat cost is also painful (will be weaker elsewhere) - 3 extra extra lay on hands feats is 126 fewer effective HPs at 12th and just keeps decreasing (and hps lost as no favored class bonus on 2nd class).

Also as far as metagame is concern if your DR is to high you won't be targeted or will be targeted only with things that ignore DR - swift action healing is VERY flexible DR isn't. Either way its good on paper not in game and lessens your power else where and your ability to contribute.


ArmouredMonk13 wrote:
I'd try a dip in Unbreakable Fighter [which actually makes a lot of sense for a Stonelord flavorwise, at least in my opinion], and take Combat Expertise+Stalwart line for even more DR. Helps you be a full plate DR tank with self heals, to never ever go down. Ever.

It would be a great choice, if only the DR/- from the Stalwart feat tree stacked with the DR/adamantine form the Heartstone class feature. Alas, they do not, so as it stands, the dip in Unbreakable fighter is not so impressive.

Shadow Lodge

XMorsX wrote:
It would be a great choice, if only the DR/- from the Stalwart feat tree stacked with the DR/adamantine form the Heartstone class feature. Alas, they do not, so as it stands, the dip in Unbreakable fighter is not so impressive.
Is there an FAQ on that? Because Ultimate Combat says
Stalwart wrote:
Benefit: While using the total defense action, fighting defensively action, or Combat Expertise, you can forgo the dodge bonus to AC you would normally gain to instead gain an equivalent amount of DR, to a maximum of DR 5/—, until the start of your next turn. This damage reduction stacks with DR you gain from class features, such as the barbarian's, but not with DR from any other source. If you are denied your Dexterity bonus to AC, you are also denied this DR

It doesn't say that it doesn't stack with DR/Adamantine granted via class feature, or the like. So I'm inclined to think that Stacks with DR means Stacks with DR.


I'm not sure how mechanically it would work for two different types of DR to stack, in this case, say, DR 2/- and DR4/adamantine. Does stacking mean if you break through the DR4 with an adamantine or +4 weapon, you still reduce the 2 for DR that can't be bypassed (except by things that can bypass any DR)? Or would that be what happens when they don't stack?

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

Different forms of DR don't stack. The feat gives DR/- and so does the barbarian's DR, which is why it's used as an example of when it would stack.

At least that's how I'd read it. I didn't write the Stalwart feat though I did write the Stonelord. It is likely that, since in the standard rules DR/- is pretty much the only kind of DR you typically get from class abilities (aside from some others you can get with rage powers) and since the feat describes the DR as maxing out at 5/-, the feat author didn't think it was necessary to call out that it affected only DR/- and not other kinds.

Of course, I don't think it's the end of the world to allow it anyway. :)


It probably needs a FAQ. If it stacks then it is great investment.

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