What Happened With Torch? [spoilers]


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Liberty's Edge 1/5

I just bought Destiny of the Sands I: A Bitter Bargain and read the bit about Grandmaster Torch at the beginning. I knew that the Shadow Lodge stopped being a faction but I don't know any of the details. The most recent scenarios that we have run at my local lodge were from Season 3 while Torch was still a faction leader. Some of my players even met him back in First Steps and liked him.

So can anyone give me some details on his betrayal so I can weave them into the game next weekend?

4/5

Joshua Goudreau wrote:

I just bought Destiny of the Sands I: A Bitter Bargain and read the bit about Grandmaster Torch at the beginning. I knew that the Shadow Lodge stopped being a faction but I don't know any of the details. The most recent scenarios that we have run at my local lodge were from Season 3 while Torch was still a faction leader. Some of my players even met him back in First Steps and liked him.

So can anyone give me some details on his betrayal so I can weave them into the game next weekend?

It's all in the scenario Rivalry's End.

Spoiler:
Torch got the names of some Decimivirate members and then made a move that is very unusual for him--he killed the villain the PCs captured alive right in front of them and then arbitrarily gloated, provoking some PCs to attack him and a very few to even kill him (when he could have just killed her offscreen and gotten the same effect with no risks). Perhaps some day we will discover why he did it that way.

In the game I played and the game I GMed, players just happily let Torch leave without moving to stop him (but if you do try to stop him, he sics some really weak half-orc guards on you and then hightails it), and both of my Shadow Lodge characters bear him no ill will for his actions so far (though they think his choice of details in his escape were foolish and unlike him) and would have no problem helping him in the future, but I think the deal with the scenario you are running is that it gives the players a huge opportunity to decide what they think about the whole thing and either help Torch or sabotage him.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

This is a real spoiler, so don't read it if you care:
Torch is referenced in (at least) one Season 5 scenario. I have a feeling Season 4 isn't the last we've seen of him.

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Nefreet wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

If you think that's a spoiler, I recommend not paying close attention to the OP's post...I hope that wasn't like saying don't think about pink elephants though?

Liberty's Edge 2/5

As far as I know that jerk is

:
dead.

Liberty's Edge 1/5

Well that explains a lot. Thank you for bringing me up to speed, Mark. Also, seeing as how you're in Boston you should make the trip up to visit us in Maine.

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Joshua Goudreau wrote:
Well that explains a lot. Thank you for bringing me up to speed, Mark. Also, seeing as how you're in Boston you should make the trip up to visit us in Maine.

I don't have a car, but I'd certainly be happy to GM for you guys remotely some week at the very least! Will we see any of our Lodge members from Maine at Totalcon?

Liberty's Edge 1/5

MY fellow organizer and I will not be able to attend this year but David was touting it the last time he came up and he may have convinced a couple of our regular to go down.

Grand Lodge

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Mark Seifter wrote:

It's all in the scenario Rivalry's End.

** spoiler omitted **

Simple ego. He wanted to personally thumb his nose at the Pathfinder Society as he expected the PC's to survive to tell their story.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
Simple ego. He wanted to personally thumb his nose at the Pathfinder Society as he expected the PC's to survive to tell their story.

Naw man, he's unfinished business. You'll see, Mr. Torch will come back from the shadows, grander than ever!, throwing light into all the little nooks and crannies the Decimvirate tries to keep hidden. Just you wait! Maybe, just maybe, when Torch triumphantly resurfaces to expose the Society, I'll get my shadow back, jump down from this tree and back into the material plane, and aid Torch in his noble campaign.

Mr. Torch isn't finished fighting the good fight for all Pathfinders!

Disclaimer: Fully aware that my cursed, stranded character can neither return to play, nor rejoin the Shadow Lodge. She's not dead, though, so peanut gallery, go!

Grand Lodge 5/5 5/55/55/5

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Replaced by doppleganger. Found body.

Torch selling copper in Rahadoum.

Liberty's Edge 1/5

I'm not sure if it's told elsewhere, but A Bitter Bargain reveals how Torch got burned and why he's so bitter against the Decemvirate.

Shadow Lodge 1/5

Mark Seifter wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:

I just bought Destiny of the Sands I: A Bitter Bargain and read the bit about Grandmaster Torch at the beginning. I knew that the Shadow Lodge stopped being a faction but I don't know any of the details. The most recent scenarios that we have run at my local lodge were from Season 3 while Torch was still a faction leader. Some of my players even met him back in First Steps and liked him.

So can anyone give me some details on his betrayal so I can weave them into the game next weekend?

It's all in the scenario Rivalry's End. ** spoiler omitted **

I'm pretty sure he did what he did to draw suspicion away from his agents that were in the Society and allow them to continue in the society without suspicion. He did it to protect the men and women who were his lackeys, which is actually very in character for him.

4/5

Daedalaman wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:

I just bought Destiny of the Sands I: A Bitter Bargain and read the bit about Grandmaster Torch at the beginning. I knew that the Shadow Lodge stopped being a faction but I don't know any of the details. The most recent scenarios that we have run at my local lodge were from Season 3 while Torch was still a faction leader. Some of my players even met him back in First Steps and liked him.

So can anyone give me some details on his betrayal so I can weave them into the game next weekend?

It's all in the scenario Rivalry's End. ** spoiler omitted **

I'm pretty sure he did what he did to draw suspicion away from his agents that were in the Society and allow them to continue in the society without suspicion. He did it to protect the men and women who were his lackeys, which is actually very in character for him.

That's...good sleuthing. I didn't think of that, and it's a very good reason.

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