Hellow everybody!
I wanted to find some information about prestige classes that is capable to use in Pathfinder Society, but i did not find it.
I want to know, can i use a Noble Scion prestige class from Paths of Prestige for my character?
I think no, beacuse of "Improved Leadership" feat, but maybe it can be replaced with something intresting?
And also, can i use rules about improving lifestyle quality?
P.S. I never played Pathfinder Society, so... :)
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Incidentally, Lord Lupus, welcome to Pathfinder Society! It's great to have you.
For improving lifestyle, the campaign offers some ways to do that. You'll need to take a look at the Vanities section of a publication called The Pathfinder Society Field Guide. (The print copy is sold out, but the PDF is available.) Vanities are ways of turning your character's Prestige into in-world benefits, such as membership in organizations or -- as you might hope -- a town house somewhere in Absalom. Much better than the Grand Lodge dormatories.
What sort of character are you hoping to make?
Thanks for your answers, guys!
I wanted to make an Arcane Duelist 6/ Noble Scion 10/Arcane Duelist 4 character.
Chaotic Good Half-Elf from Ustalav, I have written a nice history of his family and he needs to be a noble...
I like this Prestige Class so much, I am really upset about not using leadership makes him not legal.
Maybe it will be a good idea to remove improved leadership for another (third) "dilletante studies"? This manipulation will make the weak part of Noble Scion more stronger, so he will not need some cohorts to be his muscles!
P. S. Sorry about my English, I'm from Ukraine, we are going to create our Pathfinder Society club, so...
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Welcome aboard Lupus! We always like to see the Pathfinder Society grow internationally.
One important fact about Pathfinder Society Organized Play is that no one is allowed to make changes or "house rules" on how rules function. That means that you cannot change the Leadership ability. Only certain Paizo employees (Mike Brock and John Compton at the moment) can make rulings that change game mechanics. When they make a change it affects all the many thousands of players worldwide. (If they made changes for one person at a time they'd never sleep!) Since the Noble Scion is not legal no one can play one under any circumstances.
If you are playing a game using the Pathfinder rules that is NOT part of Pathfinder Society Organized Play, you can make any changes you want to (that your GM agrees to).
Thanks a lot!
So, Mike Brock and John Compton don't read the messageboards? :)
I am just figuring out, can we help with it? To customize prestige classes and feats?
A see the topic about Winter Witch on messageboard, and now this Prestige Class is allowed. So I thought I can start this topic about Noble Scion, beacuse nobody are intrested in it :) Nobody wants to play? :(
Thanks for your answers, I think it will be a homerule (in not official play), but i still vote for adding Noble Scion to the play list! :) (With customization, of course)
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So, Mike Brock and John Compton don't read the messageboards? :)
They do, but they don't often weigh in on discussions unless it's really necessary. Many of the forum petitions that emerge to legalize a feature (class, feat, etc.) don't see any comment from them unless they choose to make the change.
I am just figuring out, can we help with it? To customize prestige classes and feats?
A see the topic about Winter Witch on messageboard, and now this Prestige Class is allowed. So I thought I can start this topic about Noble Scion, beacuse nobody are intrested in it :) Nobody wants to play? :(
Thanks for your answers, I think it will be a homerule (in not official play), but i still vote for adding Noble Scion to the play list! :) (With customization, of course)
Can you explain why you want this prestige class? What is it about the mechanics of this class that are required for your character concept? Taking a look at it, there are three reasons why I'd say it's not allowed.
1) Affluent: PFS relies heavily on the Wealth By Level guidelines, and almost everything that grants free extra money is banned.
2) Greater Leadership: Leadership Feats are banned, not just because of the difficulty in adjudicating, but also for the slowdown in play. If everyone at a table shows up to a game with Leadership, you suddenly have 6 characters and 6 cohorts running around. In a timed organized play environment, that's no good.
3) Servitor and Prestigious Influence: Both of these seem very hard to adjudicate at a given table. Because with OP you will often change GMs, it is unlikely that the different GMs will run these features the same way. Prestigious Influence in particular would be very hard to re-write in a way that makes it consistent across tables.
Once you remove these four class features, all you really get are bonus feats. Why not just make a fighter and spend some of your non-bonus feats on skill focus or the skill feats?
Please note: I'm not saying you shouldn't petition for it - but if you want to make it happen, you'll need a full plan on how to make it work for PFS play.
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Ласкаво просимо Lupus від давно втраченого кузена!
I'm afraid Jeff is right that there is a lot standing in the way of this class being approved for PFS. But he is correct that if you were able to present a simple and complete solution to these issues, it's possible it could be approved. I'm not sure that's an attainable goal, but it would probably be interesting to try.
There are a perhaps a few options that could come close to Noble Scion prestige class, including of course the Noble Scion feat from the Inner Sea World Guide. A Court Bard can get some of the potential flavor. A Pathfinder Chronicler (prestige class in core rulebook) has an 'influence' ability ('Whispering Campaign'). High levels of Diplomacy in general, plus speaking many languages can help.
There are also boons and vanities in Pathfinder Society that can represent wealth and influence, particularly from the Field Guide.
Майже правильно, друже :)
I know all the of theese things, thanks for your answers! Why I still want to do it? :)
I feel a little bit uncomfortable about my text, because I am not an official player, and i didn't play Pathfinder Organized Play, but i played a lot (and I am a DM too) Pathfinder RPG... Sorry about it, but I want to explane my position.
WHY I want it to play?
1) It's a good role at all. A Noble like a prestige class, not an NPC class needs to be playable, i think. Pathfinder's needs some influence, yeah? :)
2) Prestigious Influense will be a good idea for spellcasting services - for you and your friends in scenario. After all, you can improve your lifestyle quality.
3) Bonus feats - good idea theese feats various from your motherland. SOCIAL bonus feats - good for a character, i think.
4) Half-level for social skills. Yes, feats may make them good, but with class abilities it's better.
5) Dilletante studies - the best for social character, because you can roleplay every type of noble character: Noble knight or noble bard? Maybe, noble ex-rogue? More variativity.
6) Making good roll's in social skills - it's awsome, why not? 10th level ability for having natural 20 for social roll one time a day + two dices on skills is a good reward for such a character.
HOW we can fix it?
1) I know, that Greater Leadership is a best of Noble Scion, but if we fix it with another (third) dilletante studies - it will make a noble scion more powerfull in battle (maximum level of bardic music - 16, not 14, maximum caster level - 13, 3d6 sneak attack for 10 levels of prestige class or really good +3 to attack and damage rolls)
2) Servitor is not really a problem - he will not be your cohort, just a lovely "Igor". May be a roleplay thing, may be deleted, i think - it's not a question.
3) Affluent - it may be a problem, if you, guys, say about banning all that grants extra money. Why so? Is it really a big bag of money, you think? Maybe you know some other esceptions? Can you show me?
P. S. Mammoth Lord is available? O_O
Actually, I think me and my friend will be the only one oficcial PFS club in Ukraine, sorry, but we are alone :)
I WILL play and i WILL master theese things. Actually, the Noble Scion prestige class partially is the cause to ask about the whole rules and main problems of game.
When i need some "out of book" information - I'm going to read some forums.
Thanks for a compliment! I'll try to be such a player :)
So, if I need to send a purpose to Mike Brock and John Compton, do you have such a place on messageboards when it can be readed? Some special e-mail or something not really important (i don't want to make some more garbage in important mail boxes :))?
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So, if I need to send a purpose to Mike Brock and John Compton, do you have such a place on messageboards when it can be readed?
This board is the right place.
Take a look at Jiggy's post HERE (behind the spoiler) for an excellent example of a post advocating for something previously banned to be allowed in organised play.
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Necro. Sorry.
But I would like to advocate to allow the class; with some obvious fixes requirements.
1. Why allow?
a. Nobility is cool, and is would be a popular option for player.
b. Setting up keeps/castles represents a future expansion area for paizo and working on scion would leverage into a Kings & Kingdom's kind of Rulebook.
c. If fixed (proposal forthcoming) it would further open up one variant of play. Much of Pathfinder play is ways of opening up new content, in ways that are interesting to players. I would say that the Noble Scion does that.
Ie: a player option that leverages money and social influence, vs spell casting, or BAB.
d. The availability of in game gold encourages players to do things in game which are fun, interesting and quite different from usual ingame parsimony.
2. What needs to be fixed.
Discussion: Well first, the class imposes a moderate to hefty tax, depending on whether you wish to enter as a fighter/paladin etc.
1 BAB, and two Feats; as a caster it is a something like a 7 feat tax to retain full caster progression.
Which is a) thematic. Wizards are involved in research, not rulership
b) provides an area of the game that wizards would not be best at.
So, what needs to be fixed.
Well, clearly Leadership. I suggest that options be made to allow options to boost mounts etc, as this would provide a boon to cavaliers and be thematic, and boost a weak class. Alternately, give Prestige PP access to (buy) items. Ie., interesting in game options.
Secondly, scrutinize the balance of money vs feat tax. Make sure that the money vs feat meets what y'all want. Personally I thnk the money balance is about right. But while I've examined it for fighters (loosely); mages (fairly closely), perhaps corner cases exist for other clases.