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Mythic Form of the Dragon cheaps out?!

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According to Mythic Adventures, you invest a spell and a use of mythic power in order to beef up a spell. Now with two of the Form of the Dragon spells, you get a bonus to your breath weapon. Form of the Dragon I and II have breath weapons of 6d8 and 8d8 respectively. Form of the Dragon III, on the other hand, has a breath weapon of 12d8. This is not bad until you see the mythic version of the spell which states, and I quote.

Mythic Form of the Dragon wrote:
The spell’s bonuses to ability scores increase by 2, the natural armor bonus increases by 1, and the breath weapon damage increases to 10d6. All of the dragon form’s natural attacks increase by one step (see Improved Natural Attack on page 315 of the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary).

Ergo, I ask, why is it that I can memorize or learn Form of the Dragon III, ascend to mythic tiers, pick up Mythic Spell Lore or Mythic Spellcasting, learn the mythic version of the spell, use a mythic power to beef up the spell's abilities, and after all that, my breath weapon would be two dice less powerful than if I had just stopped at step one?

Not just 2 Dice less powerful, but a Hit Die less powerful. Instead of D8's, it's D6's?

Major errata needed for that. FAQing.

I didn't even notice the die drop. Is there a conspiracy against dragons? You decide!

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FAQ'ed though I would simply turn the dice to equivalent number of d10 dice for the mythic versions.


Liberty's Edge

Remco Sommeling wrote:
FAQ'ed though I would simply turn the dice to equivalent number of d10 dice for the mythic versions.

I think that was the intention, but it just slipped past editing. It happens, just FAQ and roll with it :)

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I'd like to see it use d12s. Those just don't get used enough.

That may be a tad high, but I do like the enthusiasm. Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in becoming a mythic dragon.

Liberty's Edge



This is disheartening for my dragon sorcerer in WotR.

RAW, it wouldn't affect FotD3's breath weapon, because you simply CANNOT increase that spell's breath weapon to 10d6: doing so is a decrease, which is not in line with the RAW. So that aspect is simply non-functional, leaving you with getting less out of that mythic spell, but not making it worse. The Mythic version is already homogenizing the FotD1 and 2 versions, giving them identical breathweapon damage, so it's not grossly outside the normal for FotD3's breathweapon to not be increased further. Still, I suspect there is Errata even beyond the d6/d8 issue.

It doesn't improve FotD II even. 10d6 is 10-60, average 35. 8d8 is 8-64, average 36.

It is much more likely that this was intended to scale, or the author forgot that the breath weapon improved in form 2 and 3, than that the intent was to homogenize and weaken the higher tier spells.

Any good suggestions on how to rule this for the moment?

Increase the damage die by one step, then for Form of the Dragon 3 damage dice becomes 1d8/caster level (max 20d8). That's how I'd run it anyway.

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While making a mythic transmuter, I ran into exactly this problem. Has anyone given an answer yet?

Humm. Seems this was first pointed out in August of '13. Maybe soon..

Paizo Employee Official Rules Response

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Answered in FAQ!

FAQ wrote:

Mythic Form of the Dragon: Mythic form of the dragon says that it increases my breath weapon damage to 10d6, but 10d6 isn’t actually an increase for form of the dragon II or III. Does that mean the mythic version reduces my damage?

No, instead mythic form of the dragon should increase your breath weapon damage by 2d8. This will be reflected in the next errata.

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That's nice. I thought they had given up on the Mythic rules.

Looks like we are seeing some old questions cleared up. yay

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