Personally, I don't see the need to roll to hit for this.
I wonder what kind of hijinks this could cause with a reach weapon, if any.
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What would the difference be if you had to touch them to buff them? If you are exploiting a loophole in the spell storing of a blade, I personally would rule that its an auto-success, but I might have you roll with negatives to see if you hurt your comrade too. Your party members know what you are doing and it would be no different than if you were going to lay on hands or touch them for the buff.
Once again, this shouldn't even be in question. If you're using a Spell Storing weapon you can't elect to use the stored spell unless you damage your target. It's right there in the rules.
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If the player is not attempting to dodge, he is acting as an object.
An object's Armor Class is equal to 10 + its size modifier (see Table: Size and Armor Class of Objects) + its Dexterity modifier. An inanimate object has not only a Dexterity of 0 (–5 penalty to AC), but also an additional –2 penalty to its AC. Furthermore, if you take a full-round action to line up a shot, you get an automatic hit with a melee weapon and a +5 bonus on attack rolls with a ranged weapon.
So, a character who wants to get hit would have an AC of 10 - 5 - 2 + Size.
The only thing to deal with then is armor. It's not RAW, but since there are no rules for this, I would use the armor as the 'objects' hardness instead of an AC bonus.
It is actually worse than that. Spell resistance does cost a standard action to lower. If you do so, then it remains lowered untill your next turn. That means all enemies get 1 round to target you with your spell resistance down. Readying to lower your resistance doesn't take enemies 1 round to hit you with spells away, because readying actually changes your initiative counter.
Huh, so it does. I was under the impression that it was only delaying that moved your initiative permanently, but the CRB proved me wrong when I went to it for citation.
I couldn't find anything on it. If I were to guess I would say yes, but only things like Dex, shield, morale. Armor and Natural probably wouldn't be easy to just stop gaining.
That seems like it would make sense.
It also seems like it would make sense for you to be able to perform an Aid Another action to help someone hit you.
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There are rules to hit a tree.
Now, imagine the tree actively trying to be hit by you.
Do we need a complicated system of made up rules to accomplish the latter?
Does it matter if the tree is wearing armor?
Complicating things, for the sake of complicating things, is a route to madness.
I cannot even begin to understand why anyone would do so.
It is, in my opinion, as silly as requiring a number of d20 rolls, with various modifiers, to have a player choose to pass gas.
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There are rules to hit a tree.
"Missing" the tree doesn't mean you completely whiffed. You simply did not land a blow hard enough to do damage. If your attack roll was higher than the tree's touch AC, you touched the tree.
You take an abstraction literally and then complain that other people are making things too complicated...?
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There are rules to hit a tree."Missing" the tree doesn't mean you completely whiffed. You simply did not land a blow hard enough to do damage. If your attack roll was higher than the tree's touch AC, you touched the tree.
You take an abstraction literally and then complain that other people are making things too complicated...?
You miss the point.
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Not really, no. The rules are there, and can get as granular as you want them to. If that's what someone finds fun, it's not really up to you to say otherwise.
What fun?
When did I even suggest someone not have fun?
In fact, I suggest not complicating it, for the sake of fun.
Again, you misunderstand.
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There are rules to hit a tree.
Now, imagine the tree actively trying to be hit by you.
Do we need a complicated system of made up rules to accomplish the latter?
Does it matter if the tree is wearing armor?
Complicating things, for the sake of complicating things, is a route to madness.
I cannot even begin to understand why anyone would do so.
It is, in my opinion, as silly as requiring a number of d20 rolls, with various modifiers, to have a player choose to pass gas.
There is nothing complicated about making an attack roll. The game predicates on that very, very fundamental mechanic. Does it matter if the tree is wearing armor, you ask? Absolutely. Don't mistake "hit" for "touch". I know you know the system very well, so you'll understand the massive distinction.
Just because you've become suicidal doesn't make your armor less a protective device. The friend who is assisting you in your deathwish still has to shove the instrument of your ending through your suit of full plate, or perhaps through your mage armor.
Just because you've become suicidal doesn't mean your ring of protection has some intelligence to it that informs it of your desire to let Doctor Kevorkian take you out. Unconscious or not, wanting to be hit or not, the ring functions as the rules say it does; it makes you hard to hit.
And so on.
Long story short is that the simple answer you seek is: at BEST you can sacrifice your Dex, Dodge, and perhaps insight bonuses to AC voluntarily. IMHO even shield bonuses shouldn't be optional since a shield bonus works against attackers you don't even know about, like armor does.
So hey. Make your life very, very easy and answer the OP question with "sure, I guess, as your flat-footed AC". So elegant, so consistent, so simple and it makes SO much more sense than the several "you can just let yourself get it" answers.
Come to the sensible simple side.
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I guess I am just wrong.
My idea of no rolls is too complicated.
I'm not saying that... I'm saying that it doesn't fit the system. Obviously I wouldn't ask for a roll for things like sitting down or smoking a pipe. I don't ask for rolls to light a torch or open a waterskin. But the mechanics of "hitting someone" are very well established, which is why I'd argue so strongly for that one roll.
Still, I respect your right to disagree.
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Intercept (Ex): Once a round as an immediate action, when a melee or ranged weapon would successfully strike an adjacent ally, the stalwart defender can choose to have the weapon strike him instead of the intended target. The attack automatically hits the stalwart defender, regardless his AC or any miss chance in effect, and he suffers the normal consequences of the attack.
So using this ability allows you to pretty much get between an ally and an attack. You choose to get hit instead of him. I'd say this can be applied to yourself vs. any attack roll (maybe ranged attacks still require to beat 10 + your size bonus).
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Well, technically, a sleeping creature is helpless, and the "automatic" nature of an attack against it is when performing a coup de grace.
Helpless
A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy. A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (–5 modifier). Melee attacks against a helpless target get a +4 bonus (equivalent to attacking a prone target). Ranged attacks get no special bonus against helpless targets. Rogues can sneak attack helpless targets.
As a full-round action, an enemy can use a melee weapon to deliver a coup de grace to a helpless foe. An enemy can also use a bow or crossbow, provided he is adjacent to the target. The attacker automatically hits and scores a critical hit. (A rogue also gets his sneak attack damage bonus against a helpless foe when delivering a coup de grace.) If the defender survives, he must make a Fortitude save (DC 10 + damage dealt) or die. Delivering a coup de grace provokes attacks of opportunity.
Creatures that are immune to critical hits do not take critical damage, nor do they need to make Fortitude saves to avoid being killed by a coup de grace.
So, I guess a better question is:
Can a creature willingly give themselves the helpless condition?
Well, technically, a sleeping creature is helpless, and the "automatic" nature of an attack against it is when performing a coup de grace.
Helpless
A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy. A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (–5 modifier). Melee attacks against a helpless target get a +4 bonus (equivalent to attacking a prone target). Ranged attacks get no special bonus against helpless targets. Rogues can sneak attack helpless targets.
As a full-round action, an enemy can use a melee weapon to deliver a coup de grace to a helpless foe. An enemy can also use a bow or crossbow, provided he is adjacent to the target. The attacker automatically hits and scores a critical hit. (A rogue also gets his sneak attack damage bonus against a helpless foe when delivering a coup de grace.) If the defender survives, he must make a Fortitude save (DC 10 + damage dealt) or die. Delivering a coup de grace provokes attacks of opportunity.
Creatures that are immune to critical hits do not take critical damage, nor do they need to make Fortitude saves to avoid being killed by a coup de grace.
So, I guess a better question is:
Can a creature willingly give themselves the helpless condition?
I think the issue is allowing yourself to be hit while in combat. To use your argument, can you make yourself helpless in regards to one individual while maintaining your normal AC against other opponents.
Well this is interesting. I skimmed through the messages here and I realized there is some confusion about the rules. The AC to hit an inanimate object is 10 + Size modifier + Dex modifier if you take a standard action. If you take a full round action to line up your attack, it's an automatic hit.
The reason for this is the hit is as dependent on the attacker as it is the defender. That is why you can't just hand wave and say it's an automatic hit. I would say you can make yourself helpless by simply not doing anything else and declaring that you are helpless. All the rules that go along with helplessness apply.
That means that if someone wants to hit you using a full round action, it's an automatic crit. Otherwise, using a standard action, it follows the same rules as attacking a helpless character: A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (–5 modifier). You still take into account AC from armor and other items (natural AC bonus, etc). You lose your Dodge bonus and any other Dex-based AC. This is how I would rule it if I were strictly interpreting the rules, and since this is the rules forum, that's what it should be.
However, in a house game, I probably would just let them auto-hit the willing target without rolling. :)
