Which scifi / fantasy novels do you think should be made into movies or not?


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The Earl of Sandwich wrote:

Oh, and I'd love to see Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell done well, perhaps with a Peter Jackson level attention to detail treatment. (I see someone like Gary Oldman having a lot of fun playing Mr. Norrell.)

Already announced as a 7 episode BBC series. Announced cast included Eddie Marsan as Mr Norrell, Bertie Carvel as Jonathan Strange, Alice Englert as Lady Pole (only seen her in Ginger & Rosa, but she was excellent in that) and Marc Warren as the Gentlemen with the Thistledown Hair

The actual film adaptation was set to be done by New Line Cinema, they owned the rights and had people working on a script for years, but the collapse of the studio killed that idea.

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Hama wrote:

Wheel of time is completely untranslatable into a movie without losing soooo much of its meat.

A TV show with 40 minute episodes, around 23 episodes per season, every season one book. Also they should film a lot in advance because 13-14 years would make actors age much more then 3-4 years that pass in the novels.

I believe it's also untranslatable to a TV show without losing quite a bit of it's epic feeling, which is a large part of what makes it unique. Generally speaking I think any attempt is doomed to fail miserably.

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Lord Snow wrote:
4) Both "The Dresden Files" and "Repiarman Jack" could be fun movie franchises. While we are discussing F Paul Wilson, I would LOVE to see a good version of "The Keep" being made.

Both The Keep and The Tomb have all sorts of potential. (Just, try to forget the previous Keep movie, 'cause, yuck.)

A fun Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser movie could be interesting. Swashbuckling sword & sorcery action.

Elric of Melnibone, starring Benedict Rumblepatch? Eh. Could be watchable.

I'm not sure if the whackiness that made Snow Crash such a fun book to read could be done on screen, without turning into something surreal and bizarre for bizarre-ness sake like Brazil or Johnny Mnemonic.


Jason S wrote:

Marvel Comics from the 80s: [snip] Iron Fist

Already being developed (along with several others) for TV.

Jason S wrote:
Star Wars Expanded Universe: I'd like to see some of the Star Wars novels made into movies. Again, a wealth of great storylines, no need to change everything, it just needs to be changed into screenplays.

Well, they ARE doing a lot of new Star Wars movies (starting in 2015), don't know if any of them will be based on the novels.

Jason S wrote:
World of Darkness: Writing content using the World of Darkness (masquerade - older version). Vampires, werewolves, mages, wraiths. All good stuff. Would be hard to do since it's the characters that matter... but still.

There was a TV show back in '96 based on Vampire: the Masquerade called Kindred: The Embraced - only ran for one season, though.

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IMNSHO, there are a lot of individual scenes in a lot of books that would look incredibly cool on the big screen...but then there's the rest of the book(s) to deal with. Frex, the Lensman series has some awesome space battles, some espionage, hand-to-hand fights; lots of exciting individual bits, all mixed up with stuff that's critical to the plot but unfilmable as described (Kim Kinnison's L2 training, e.g.) or critical to the plot and unpalatable to modern viewers (the romance between Kinnison and Clarissa, e.g.). Unfortunately, you can't make a movie of just the cool stuff. Although as the tech gets better and cheaper, we might eventually see movie/text hybrids--click here for a movie clip of <fight x>, then continue reading the story.

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A series that should have never been made or could've been 1 billion times better. Terry Goodkind's "Wizards First Rule". I found the complete 1st season at 1/2 price books for $5 and I still feel like I was ripped off.

Personally I would like to see Elfstones of Shannara made into a movie since it was the 1st fantasy novel I read. I also think the Belgariad would be neat to see, but that's a whole lot of dialog to make people sit through.


ElfQuest? Nah, it would have to be a porno, lol.

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Cylyria wrote:
Personally I would like to see Elfstones of Shannara made into a movie since it was the 1st fantasy novel I read.

Elfstones of Shannara is being developed into a TV series with MTV picking up the first season already without requesting a pilot. The first episode will be directed by Jon Farveau and written by Miles Millar and Al Gough. Terry Brooks will also be involved with the development of the show.

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Back when I first heard Pixar was making Monsters Inc., I thought they were adapting Monster Makers Inc., the story of a geneticist who bio-engineers a 1-foot tall Godzilla for his son as a pet (best dad ever!) The mini 'zilla and other tiny monsters wreak havoc at resort hotels and ruin a plot by aliens to invade the planet. If that sounds like a plot straight out of the 80's to you, congratulations. You've just won Guess When This Was Written. If Studio Ghibli and Toho ever teamed up to make this, it would be adorable.


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Personally I would be blown away if they decided to make a movie based on Joe Abercrombie's books - The First Law Trilogy and The Heroes.


Did someone mention comics?
Quasar

As far as the rest
I'd like to see Icerigger by Allen Dean Foster
There's Ringworld by Larry Niven
And Foundation.
The great thing about all three is there are sequels so you can make more movies!

I have to agree on a really bad movie: Battlefield Earth. I think the writers thought the book was too thick and threw it out the window and made their own version. I'm still trying to wash my brain of that horror.


Anything by Larry Correia was made for translation to film. The guy writes action movies and thrillers.

As already mentioned, I think the Black Company series could make for a very interesting translation along the same lines of Game of Thrones, though the later books get harder to translate because there is a lot of introspection.

Child of Fire and the rest of the Wooden Man series seems like it could have a lot of potential with a serious Lovecraft feel to it, and it would be relatively low budget. One of those hugely under-examined fantasy series that I deeply regret I won't ever see finished.

The Dresden Files could also make for a pretty good high end TV show, but less good movies. Too much to pack in, too many books, and generally not effective as a movie or series.

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Velcro Zipper wrote:
Back when I first heard Pixar was making Monsters Inc., I thought they were adapting Monster Makers Inc., the story of a geneticist who bio-engineers a 1-foot tall Godzilla for his son as a pet (best dad ever!) The mini 'zilla and other tiny monsters wreak havoc at resort hotels and ruin a plot by aliens to invade the planet. If that sounds like a plot straight out of the 80's to you, congratulations. You've just won Guess When This Was Written. If Studio Ghibli and Toho ever teamed up to make this, it would be adorable.

Dreamworks did make that movie eventually, though.


Hama wrote:

Wheel of time is completely untranslatable into a movie without losing soooo much of its meat.

A TV show with 40 minute episodes, around 23 episodes per season, every season one book. Also they should film a lot in advance because 13-14 years would make actors age much more then 3-4 years that pass in the novels.

I have a lengthy series of articles here about how you'd do it.

Briefly, you'd need a big cable company. Assuming HBO is out due to GoT, that really only leaves Starz, AMC or Showtime. You'd also need the maximum number of episodes they can realistically fund, which would be about 16. And to even start doing the series in a realistic timeframe (9-14 seasons is never, ever going to happen), you need to do two books per season, for a 7-season show, or condense some of the later, more boring books into three books a season, in which case you can do it in six years.

8 hours to adapt THE EYE OF THE WORLD or THE FIRES OF HEAVEN might not sound like enough, but it's four times the length of a movie version of each book, which is what they were previously discussing. And obviously even a TV series like this would still need to cut storylines and characters, but WoT has the advantage in that it starts fairly small and only reaches the size GoT is in its first season by about the third or fourth book. After that point - when people start getting restless about all the new characters and storylines - you can prune away the excess material and retain a focus on the core characters.

Doing it this way you could get the whole thing done straightforwardly, though it would still be risky and expensive.


I'd like to see a film of Brian Aldiss's The Dark Light Years not only because I'd love to see the utods on film, but also because I seem to have lost my copy of it and I want to know how it ends.


I have a habit of telling people to read (or listen to) Ellen Kushner's Riverside novels, and I'd say that all three of them would make for excellent TV-series in 3 or 4 one-hour* episodes. (Proper one-hour episodes - not TV-hour ones.)


Guy Gavriel Kay's Song for Arbonne would probably make a nice watch, as well.

And it'd be fun to see what Peter Jackson would make of Jacqueline Carey's "Lord of the Rings as a tragedy told from the bad guys' perspective" duology The Sundering.


Tinkergoth wrote:

Already announced as a 7 episode BBC series. Announced cast included Eddie Marsan as Mr Norrell, Bertie Carvel as Jonathan Strange, Alice Englert as Lady Pole (only seen her in Ginger & Rosa, but she was excellent in that) and Marc Warren as the Gentlemen with the Thistledown Hair

The actual film adaptation was set to be done by New Line Cinema, they owned the rights and had people working on a script for years, but the collapse of the studio killed that idea.

I had no idea. Thanks for the head's up Tinkergoth; I'm looking forward to it...


GentleGiant wrote:
QUOTE="Jason S"]Star Wars Expanded Universe: I'd like to see some of the Star Wars novels made into movies. Again, a wealth of great storylines, no need to change everything, it just needs to be changed into screenplays.
Well, they ARE doing a lot of new Star Wars movies (starting in 2015), don't know if any of them will be based on the novels.

I read an article a few days back that indicated Disney was cutting away all the EU stuff as canon, so I'm guessing most of that stuff will fall away. Though I guess if you cut away everything but the movies as canon, you can take what you like then and make it canon.

If I can find the article, i'll post it.


Yeah, basically STAR WARS canon is being shaken up. From what I can gather, Disney and LucasArts are going through all of the EU material and deciding what will remain and what will be cut.

My guess is that most of the Clone Wars material will remain canon or semicanon, all of the Old Republic stuff will remain canon (there seems to be no reason to decanonise it, plus THE OLD REPUBLIC will remain a going concern for a few years yet) and the most notable changes will be in the between-films and post-RotJ period. Since they're doing a Han Solo origins movie, we can assume that the HAN SOLO prequel novels will be eliminated from canon.

The post-RotJ stuff is more open to interpretation. I'd expect that THE NEW JEDI ORDER and everything after that will be thrown out: the deaths of original movie characters and the massive transformations to the setting will require too much explanation. Anything that's really awful (like most of Kevin J. Anderson's stuff) will likely go as well.

The big question is over Timothy Zahan's three THRAWN novels, which are way too popular to just throw out (apparently they account for almost a fifth of all STAR WARS novels sold, almost 20 million sales between them, which given there's something like 150 STAR WARS novels in total is quite startling). The options with them are:

1) They happened in the past, will be lightly referred to but will mostly be inferred (i.e. if Luke is married and someone drops a Grand Admiral Thrawn reference). After all, even if the EU is being chucked out, 'something' must have happened between RotJ and Episode VII and this a good thing to refer to. Plus, this means that a few years down the line they can make a trilogy based on them with new actors playing Luke, Han and Leia, which fans will likely hate but casual viewers will be fine with.

2) They never happened at all and will play no role, which I think will irritate a lot of people.

3) They haven't happened yet; the novels will be recontextualised to take place 40 years later with the much older Han, Luke and Leia and will unfold on-screen. Some fans have claimed that the alleged casting of Hugo Weaving as an 'Imperial Officer' backs that up, as Weaving would be brilliant as Thrawn.


That's kind of my point. For Star Wars, lots of Marvel comics, and many books, there's often no need to stray so strongly from the original material. When it comes to movies, the original material is almost always significantly better than the director's vision. Especially when the director is Bay or Abrams. IMO at least. Failures like the current Hobbit really bother me.

I am glad that someone is consolidating all of the material into cannon and non-cannon. Well, it should be good in theory anyway.


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All I care is that they keep the Ewok adventures as canon.

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With Dark Horse now out of the picture, I have pretty much no expectations or confidence with what Marvel will do with it, based on the past track of it being a "mainline" comic. There won't be the creative freedom to do the great work and the great characters because it will all be "Luke Han and Leia" again.

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Werthead wrote:

The big question is over Timothy Zahan's three THRAWN novels, which are way too popular to just throw out (apparently they account for almost a fifth of all STAR WARS novels sold, almost 20 million sales between them, which given there's something like 150 STAR WARS novels in total is quite startling). The options with them are:

1) They happened in the past, will be lightly referred to but will mostly be inferred (i.e. if Luke is married and someone drops a Grand Admiral Thrawn reference). After all, even if the EU is being chucked out, 'something' must have happened between RotJ and Episode VII and this a good thing to refer to. Plus, this means that a few years down the line they can make a trilogy based on them with new actors playing Luke, Han and Leia, which fans will likely hate but casual viewers will be fine with.

2) They never happened at all and will play no role, which I think will irritate a lot of people.

3) They haven't happened yet; the novels will be recontextualised to take place 40 years later...

Episodes I, II, II seemed to irritated everyone and they still made money hand over fist. I really dont think they will worry too much about ditching any novel or comic book.

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Brian Daley wrote 3 novels about Han and Chewy before they met Luke, supposedly something like 2yrs before.

I thought they were pretty good.

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I just hope that none of the books I really like are adapted.

Movies have already done terrible interpretations of some of my childhood favourites (Susan Cooper, Ursula LeGuin).

I just don't understand the need/desire for adaption.


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GeraintElberion wrote:


I just don't understand the need/desire for adaption.

Cool action scenes look even cooler in motion.

Good actors and writers can make you look at a familiar character in a new light.

And so on. There's a lot of reasons a good adaptation is desired for many things.

Emphasis on GOOD adaptation.

For every terrible Dark is Rising and Earthsea butchering there's one pretty awesome adaptation of something else.

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Rynjin wrote:
GeraintElberion wrote:


I just don't understand the need/desire for adaption.

Cool action scenes look even cooler in motion.

Good actors and writers can make you look at a familiar character in a new light.

And so on. There's a lot of reasons a good adaptation is desired for many things.

Emphasis on GOOD adaptation.

For every terrible Dark is Rising and Earthsea butchering there's one pretty awesome adaptation of something else.

A lot of the action scenes in, for example, LotR seemed pretty cheesy to me (and don't get me started on the Hobbit) rather than cool. And the only reason that people do adaptations is to make money, by and large. And I think your one-for-one rubbish v great adaptation ratio is probably a bit optimistic. It's often said that good books make bad movies.

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GeraintElberion wrote:

I just hope that none of the books I really like are adapted.

Movies have already done terrible interpretations of some of my childhood favourites (Susan Cooper, Ursula LeGuin).

I just don't understand the need/desire for adaption.

For me a large part of it is the simple need to share the stories I love with others. Nobody in my family was willing to read Game of Thrones before the show came out. Most of my friends are way to lazy to read, too. When the pop culture adapts something that I like, it's a chance to talk about it with people and share my reading experience with them.

Other reasons are that bad movies don't really matter, but a GOOD movie for a good book is just an incredible gift for a fan. I'm all for the greedy people of Hollywood to keep on trying, just because they occasionally get something right.


It's good to remember that even if an adaptation is bad, the original source you enjoyed hasn't changed.


Jacob Saltband wrote:
Which novels do you think would make awesome movies.....

"Elric of Melniboné" (or the whole series really) would make a good movie, mostly action, some brooding, not a lot of thought bubbles (that's difficult to write for the screen) possibly with someone like Kit Harrington in the lead role, as would "Hollow Lands"/ "Dancers at the End of Time"/ "End of All Songs" (although they'd never do it) but you could get SUPER creative with the CGI on that one! Both are series by Michael Moorcock.

"The Man Who Never Missed"/Matador series by Steve Perry.

Jacob Saltband wrote:
Which novels got turn into movies and your asking 'WHY' did they do that??? There are so many better books out there!!

"Starship Troopers", it wasn't so much that I hated the movie and it didn't actually follow the novel at all, but there's so much better Heinlein out there. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" would be a great film or TV series for instance with an "Oz"-like cast.

Jacob Saltband wrote:
Which good novels got turned into very poor movies.

Definitely "Battlefield Earth", not loving "The Hobbit" so far, though I liked LOTR well enough.


ngc7293 wrote:

Did someone mention comics?

Quasar

As far as the rest
I'd like to see Icerigger by Allen Dean Foster
There's Ringworld by Larry Niven
And Foundation.
The great thing about all three is there are sequels so you can make more movies!

I have to agree on a really bad movie: Battlefield Earth. I think the writers thought the book was too thick and threw it out the window and made their own version. I'm still trying to wash my brain of that horror.

I actually think Ringworld would be too hard to make into a movie (although I LOVE all the books and Niven's my favorite sci-fi author). I think I'd pick World of Ptavvs, Protector or Mote in God's Eye for a Niven film, less about the characters thinking and more about the characters doing, which I think translates better to film. Mote in God's Eye would be especially good I think, since it already has a bit of noire mystery to it.


ngc7293 wrote:

Did someone mention comics?

Quasar

As far as the rest
I'd like to see Icerigger by Allen Dean Foster
There's Ringworld by Larry Niven
And Foundation.
The great thing about all three is there are sequels so you can make more movies!

I have to agree on a really bad movie: Battlefield Earth. I think the writers thought the book was too thick and threw it out the window and made their own version. I'm still trying to wash my brain of that horror.

Oh...and Battlefield Earth, yeah that one was so bad it was unintentionally hillarious. I remember taking a date to it and we couldn't stop laughing the whole time.


Jason S wrote:


Marvel Comics from the 80s:

Stuff I like: Contest of Champions, Spiderman mini-series (Kraven, Venom), X-Men (Brood aliens, Days of Future Past which I hope they don't mess up, sentinels, Hellfire Club), Dr Strange, Iron Fist, Secret Wars, Mutant Massacre, Scourge.

They are actually working on a Dr. Strange movie apparently, a friend in Hollywood says they're looking at actors, directors, etc. There was a TV movie in like the early 80's (maybe even late 70's) but it was horrifically off-canon as far as the comics went. Definitely in the "not-worthy of the source material" column.

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Nathan Elling wrote:
"Starship Troopers", it wasn't so much that I hated the movie and it didn't actually follow the novel at all, but there's so much better Heinlein out there. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" would be a great film or TV series for instance with an "Oz"-like cast.

Well, the explanation is simple. Verhoeven hated the novel with such burning hatred that he threw it away and rewrote the script. I quite like the movie.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
And the only reason that people do adaptations is to make money, by and large.

The only reason to do *anything* is for money. If they didn't think a book/movie/TV show would make money, they wouldn't do it!

Loved Lord of the Rings movies and did not find the combat overly cheesy (it is fantasy after all, I don't hold Legolas accountable to the same physics that we are), and count them among my favorite movies of all time. Can't say the same about The Hobbit!

Starship Troopers is actually a great movie, kind of a guilty pleasure. While it's cheesy in parts, it actually has really powerful and subtle messages that just go *way* over most people's heads. People are dumb.

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Certainly on Starship Troopers, Verhoeven actually was reasonably faithful to the extent that he features the fascist message the book carried (albeit that he satirised it). The main change that actually annoyed people who'd read it (well, my brother, anyway - I haven't read the book, but this was his main comment) was the fact that the combat in the book was between giant insects and soldiers in powered armour, not the infantry platoons as depicted in the film. I assume that change was mainly for budgetary reasons. I certainly enjoyed the film for what it was.

And yes, Super-Legolas is one of the features which annoys me about the LotR movies. There's fantasy, and there's dumb. But YMMV. I'm a big Tolkien fan and I've always found Jackson's take a bit lurid.


I think I read somewhere that they have no intention of adapting any Star Wars novels for movies...the movies will be "original" plots.

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Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Certainly on Starship Troopers, Verhoeven actually was reasonably faithful to the extent that he features the fascist message the book carried (albeit that he satirised it). The main change that actually annoyed people who'd read it (well, my brother, anyway - I haven't read the book, but this was his main comment) was the fact that the combat in the book was between giant insects and soldiers in powered armour, not the infantry platoons as depicted in the film. I assume that change was mainly for budgetary reasons. I certainly enjoyed the film for what it was.

I'm reminded of some lit critic or other's comment on "Moby Dick," to the effect that for Moby Dick (the creature) to work as an allegory it has to first work as a whale; i.e., if you can't get people to suspend disbelief in the work it doesn't matter what sort of multilevel clevernesses you've put in because no one will pay attention.

That's how I looked at the parts of ST that I saw--Verhoeven may have intended to make a brilliant deconstruction of the world that RAH portrayed in the book, but for that to work for me the movie also had to work on its most obvious level as a war movie. And while people do stupid things in wartime, they must also be acknowledged by the movie as stupid.

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MMCJawa wrote:

I think I read somewhere that they have no intention of adapting any Star Wars novels for movies...the movies will be "original" plots.

My guess is plots that move at break neck speed so you dont have time to analyze them. At the credits you will love it. By the time you get home in the car you will hate it.


or promptly forget about them, which has been my experience with at least the first Abrams Star Trek...

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MMCJawa wrote:
or promptly forget about them, which has been my experience with at least the first Abrams Star Trek...

Abrams made a Trek movie?

Silver Crusade

Shouldn't have been made:

I Am Legend's test audience ending. D:<

Should be made?

Man, this would possibly be career suicide for some folks, but I'd love to see if Hollywood had the guts to do freakin' Courtship Rite faithfully, just to see if it could be done.

Good luck marketing that one. It's like the all-time slam dunk for deliberate values dissonance in world building.


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Hmmm... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of all Alan Moore's books, this is the one nobody oddly never made a movie of. Considering the sheer quality of the book, any such movie would surely be simply amazing!

Lord of Light. Yes, seriously. With a director and a script writer who both have a brain, this would become a beautiful, beautiful movie. And I know they sort of tried, which is a pretty cool story in itself, but why they never did it is beyond me. Even if it's blasphemous.


Sissyl wrote:
Hmmm... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of all Alan Moore's books, this is the one nobody oddly never made a movie of. Considering the sheer quality of the book, any such movie would surely be simply amazing!

Oh the pain. Why did it turn out like this?! No wonder Alan Moore hates anyone touching his work.

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On that note though, apparently they're looking at trying to revive it as a TV series, a pilot is in the works at the moment.


Sissyl wrote:
Hmmm... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of all Alan Moore's books, this is the one nobody oddly never made a movie of. Considering the sheer quality of the book, any such movie would surely be simply amazing!

I must say, that sarcasm is quite delicious.


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Tinkergoth wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Hmmm... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of all Alan Moore's books, this is the one nobody oddly never made a movie of. Considering the sheer quality of the book, any such movie would surely be simply amazing!

Oh the pain. Why did it turn out like this?! No wonder Alan Moore hates anyone touching his work.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

On that note though, apparently they're looking at trying to revive it as a TV series, a pilot is in the works at the moment.

I SAID, NOBODY MADE A MOVIE ADAPTATION OF THAT ONE!!!

*sniffs*

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Sissyl wrote:
Tinkergoth wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Hmmm... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Of all Alan Moore's books, this is the one nobody oddly never made a movie of. Considering the sheer quality of the book, any such movie would surely be simply amazing!

Oh the pain. Why did it turn out like this?! No wonder Alan Moore hates anyone touching his work.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

On that note though, apparently they're looking at trying to revive it as a TV series, a pilot is in the works at the moment.

I SAID, NOBODY MADE A MOVIE ADAPTATION OF THAT ONE!!!

*sniffs*

When they DO get to making it, they might as well also take a moment to make a sequel to that awesome stand alone movie, "The Matrix". Or maybe even a "Pirates of the Caribbean 4". Or a 90-120 minutes long "The Hobbit" movie.

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Sean Connery was priceless in that one though. So was Stuart Towsend.

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The obvious Alan Moore to convert would probaby be Top Ten (as it is based on old TV shows) or Fashion Beast (which was originally a film script).

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