Question about Overhand Chop


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I like classes that go boom. I also love melee classes that go boom because I like high risk, high reward situations. With that being said, I was looking into the Two-handed fighter archetype and found Overhand Chop. I understand that at level 3 your single attack actions or charges with a two-handed weapon become 1/2 STR mod stronger but it reads, "he adds double his Strength bonus on damage rolls." To me this implies that this STR bonus applies to each individual damage roll of a single weapon and not just a weapon attack.


If you're asking what I think you are ...

No matter how many dice you're rolling, it's one damage roll. If it was meant to apply to each individual damage die, it would expressly say so.


What are you asking, and do you want advice or is this a rules question?

Edit: To support Zhayne's point, the orc sorcerer bloodline explicitly says it adds +1 damage per die. Damage roll is a distinct concept.


This is a rules question. In my mind a damage roll is every time you roll a dice for damage. Say you have a Great sword compared to a Great axe. You have a STR mod of +4 and Overhand Chop. The Greatsword deals 2d6+8 and the Great axe deals 1d12+8 but would the Greatsword deal that +8 damage twice because two damage dice are being rolled?

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MDCityNIGHT wrote:
This is a rules question. In my mind a damage roll is every time you roll a dice for damage. Say you have a Great sword compared to a Great axe. You have a STR mod of +4 and Overhand Chop. The Greatsword deals 2d6+8 and the Great axe deals 1d12+8 but would the Greatsword deal that +8 damage twice because two damage dice are being rolled?

No


What it is in your mind is irrelevant. The rules say that it is one damage roll regardless of how many dice you roll. If you roll it to determine the damage of one attack, it is one damage roll.


The two die are rolled together to get a sum; traditionally, you hold both die, shake them in your hand, and release them at the same time. That's "a roll". It doesn't matter if there are 10 die involved in the roll, it's still a (singular) roll. To affect each individual die involved in the roll, the wording is different and there are cases of this. Sap Adept, for example, adds +1 damage per sneak attack dice or the Orc sorc bloodline which adds +1 damage "per dice rolled".


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But remember paizo forgot to publish this but overhand chop states must tell "hiya" when using this. Can't forget it or not only does it not work it actually backfires and you get half not double


MDCityNIGHT wrote:
This is a rules question. In my mind a damage roll is every time you roll a dice for damage. Say you have a Great sword compared to a Great axe. You have a STR mod of +4 and Overhand Chop. The Greatsword deals 2d6+8 and the Great axe deals 1d12+8 but would the Greatsword deal that +8 damage twice because two damage dice are being rolled?

No, but it would be funny see that on a 11th level magus with weapon spec and intensified shocking grasp. .. This could be 14d6+28 :p


MDCityNIGHT wrote:
This is a rules question. In my mind a damage roll is every time you roll a dice for damage. Say you have a Great sword compared to a Great axe. You have a STR mod of +4 and Overhand Chop. The Greatsword deals 2d6+8 and the Great axe deals 1d12+8 but would the Greatsword deal that +8 damage twice because two damage dice are being rolled?

A "roll" is the event that necessitates the action of rolling dice, whether it's a single d4, or seventeen d20's.

If it were a bonus added to each individual die you use, it would say "die" instead of "roll."


Count Coltello wrote:
But remember paizo forgot to publish this but overhand chop states must tell "hiya" when using this. Can't forget it or not only does it not work it actually backfires and you get half not double

I prefer 'HASAAAAAAAAAN CHOP!'

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