How are GM-star replays working out?


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Mike Bohlmann wrote:
GM stars are like the last few charges on a high level Wand of Dispel Magic.

Now where would you find one of those?

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Caderyn wrote:

You could yes, I chose to play my own character for credit instead though as I felt it would be more enjoyable for everyone that way as I would have more buy in to the scenario.

I have no particular need to pickup certain boons again, so I simply just replay when its needed for a table to actually run, as I think it is more fun for the whole table when we are all playing actual characters and not pregens.

Ok. Whew, was afraid I was doing it wrong. :-)

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Mike Bohlmann wrote:
GM stars are like the last few charges on a high level Wand of Dispel Magic.
Now where would you find one of those?

There's a chronicle out there with one. PM me if you're that curious to know. :)

4/5 ****

Mike Bohlmann wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Mike Bohlmann wrote:
GM stars are like the last few charges on a high level Wand of Dispel Magic.
Now where would you find one of those?
There's a chronicle out there with one. PM me if you're that curious to know. :)

I'm sure Kyle Baird wouldn't want that kind of spoiler. Might be too good for his deeper darkness caster. Being able to repeatedly pop daylight can be mean. :Þ

Scarab Sages 4/5

Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Lordzum wrote:
What if they remove them in season 6?
That's a fair point.

Definitely a possibility. I'm hoping there would be some warning about that, though, giving time to make use of them before the end of season 5.

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I haven't used mine either. I'm probably waiting to use them to replay the yearly specials at Seeker level.

Lantern Lodge 3/5

I (and 3 others of our 5 core group) have used 1 of our replay stars in order to run spires of xin-shalast again in order to get two sets of characters to 19th level. We are presently saving our remainders in the event something awesome comes along.

I personally would like to see the put on a yearly refresh. I could have sworn that was the original printing of how they worked, but perhaps I am remembering it incorrectly.

Grand Lodge 4/5

I think a yearly refresh would work best. Gen Con to Gen Con and all that.

And I'm not saying that because I just used all 3 of mine! Honest!

The only other scenario I'd want to replay is a total fail I had on my cleric.. and I can't replay it AS her.. so its' moot.

5/5

Hm. I wouldn't mind replaying Golden Serpent ... I died in the very first combat with a pregen back before I had any high-level characters.

But I have run it since, so it would just be another replay, really. Hmmm. :/

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Paz wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Take heart! It is not as you fear:
You need to download the latest version of the Guide; the version you have is out of date. The replays don't reset.

Well, that sucks. Really wrecks my plans to replay Eyes of the Ten when the friend we've waited two years to get to 12 actually gets there. at least I found out before I spent my stars, though, I guess. Hope they think seriously about changing it back to resetting each year.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

I too thought that the Stars renewed each year, not from the Beta Guide (directly), but because back at the start of the Season I could have sworn that's what was officially put out somewhere in the threads, (no idea where), and have assumed that's what the way it's been working.

However, in my experience it's something that just doesn't come up much. More often than not players are more willing to just replay for no credit, wanting to save their replays for special events (not specific scenarios), where they might have played a part of an arc for credit, but want to have all of the parts together on one character. "The Devil You Know", "Among the", "Shades of Ice", "City of Strangers", and "The Quest for Perfection", are the ones I hear about the most, and circumstances just have not allowed us to do it yet.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

I spent my GM Star to replay a "No Plunder, No Pay" scenario that we got cut short on time at Gencon last year.

As for what I use the (soon-acquired) second star on, nothing jumps out. Another run though Ruby Phoenix Tournament or Deepmar, maybe...

Shadow Lodge 4/5

teribithia9 wrote:
Paz wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Take heart! It is not as you fear:
You need to download the latest version of the Guide; the version you have is out of date. The replays don't reset.
Well, that sucks. Really wrecks my plans to replay Eyes of the Ten when the friend we've waited two years to get to 12 actually gets there. at least I found out before I spent my stars, though, I guess. Hope they think seriously about changing it back to resetting each year.

I hope they think seriously about updating the version number, since we're half way through the season and there are still people out there using the wrong version 5.0 guide.

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Regarding lifetime GM-star replays, I think some people might be forgetting this: "If things go smoothly over Season 5, we will definitely consider changing it to a renewal every Gen Con."

Actually, if you read that thread a bit, you'll see it was changed from a once per year to a once per lifetime, just in case it got removed. That way, people wouldn't use them, assuming they'd get them back, and then be upset when they weren't. After this year, we should know for sure if they are going to be once per year, or once per lifetime. And from the responses to replay credit I see on these forums, I imagine they'll become an annual thing at GenCon this year.

Dark Archive 2/5

If that happens, oh how wonderful it shall be. *Fingers crossed* *Good thoughts*

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Benjamin F. wrote:
If that happens, oh how wonderful it shall be. *Fingers crossed* *Good thoughts*

To being once a year or to being removed?

4/5

Personally, my replays are being kept to help a table of eyes happen later this month. If that does not happen, they will be held to help tables form of eyes. No one should be excluded from playing them and we have a few tables that are getting close in level and viability. Least I can do to all my mates who have given me so many hours of fun is more fun .

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Andrew Christian wrote:
I've used one of mine. Once I get my 5th, I'll use my remaining 4 for Eyes of the Ten replay.

Also the case for me.

Dark Archive 2/5

DM Beckett wrote:
Benjamin F. wrote:
If that happens, oh how wonderful it shall be. *Fingers crossed* *Good thoughts*
To being once a year or to being removed?

To being once a year. There are some scenarios, I would love to replay just for the roleplay opportunity.

4/5 5/5 **

I've used two of mine - one to play The Waking Rune again, and another to replay a scenario that I played at PaizoCon, was run terribly, and got cut off for time. If the opportunity pops up to replay this year's Special with one of my high level characters I will, especially one of my 12+ characters. I see no reason to hoard my replays - if people actually use them and the campaign staff sees it we'll get them reset. If no one uses them then there will be no reason to make them per year!

I intend to use all five of my replays before GenCon. If the rest of you do, too, and we're vocal about this program's popularity then the experiment will be declared a success and we'll get an annual refresh.

Dark Archive 4/5 5/5 ****

So far, there have not been many scenarios that I NEED to replay. I'd like to do Cyphermage again, because we were not bake to finish it (played up when we shouldn't have).

The other choices would be to replay The full QFP series on the same character (only played part 1 so far). Same perhaps for TDWK, if another series I've only played one of.

Finally, if I could talk my wife into playing, I could use a replay if that was the only scenario choice I had.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Burned my oh so lonely one star to rerun God's Market Gamble on short notice over Christmas holidays. A batch of players had some free time the Saturday prior, and I didn't have time to prep something new.

Future GM stars will probably be used to rerun scenarios. With con season rapidly approaching, should have star 2 in short order...which will probably be used to rerun a scenario at a future con. I doubt I'll ever use them for a replay.

Grand Lodge 4/5

I haven't used any of my star replays yet, but I have hopes for what to use two of them on, although I am stuck without a level-appropriate PC for one of the games I would like to replay.

Replay Mantis' Prey and Ruby Phoenix Tournament, but I need to get my 7th level Magus up to 10th or higher to get a legal PC for Ruby Phoenix.

My third star is currently untargeted...

Spoiler:
My 12th level archer has the GM credit for Ruby Phoenix, my 12th level polearm master is currently locked into Eyes of the Ten, so not playable in anything else until he levels out of Ruby Phoenix range, my 8th level Lore Warden has my player credit (grandfathered days) credit for it, so can't be used to play it again.

My other PCs are 5th level or lower, so my Magus is the one closest to Ruby Phoenix eligibility....

Grand Lodge 5/5

I havent used any of mine yet. Ive GMed over 70 different scenarios, I think, and have played fewer than that, so there are lots of things I can still play for the first time. Why bother replaying?

Might save them for another round of EotT.

I think my wife has used 2 or 3 of hers, though.

Scarab Sages 4/5

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I've used 2 of mine. Both of which were to make room at tables for new players and I shuffled over to a higher tier table with room that I had already played.

I don't mind using them to the benefit of new players, but there are scenarios I would like to re-play with either a more competent group or better prepared GM's.

I'm currently saving the rest as "emergency" mustering tools. And for these reasons, I too would like to see this reset annually.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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I'm considering using one on an upcoming table of Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment to bump my magus up and apply his held credit. Other than that, I might save the rest for when I get the chance to run Eyes of the Ten after my first run of it.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

I burned through mine trying to help make sure tables got off at the FLGSs I run at. In particular a new GM felt more comfortable to have me at her table when she ran. So no big deal. I still play just not for credit.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Dorigin wrote:

I've used 2 of mine. Both of which were to make room at tables for new players and I shuffled over to a higher tier table with room that I had already played.

I don't mind using them to the benefit of new players, but there are scenarios I would like to re-play with either a more competent group or better prepared GM's.

I'm currently saving the rest as "emergency" mustering tools. And for these reasons, I too would like to see this reset annually.

This.

Sczarni 3/5 5/5

I'm a use it if you got it kinda guy. Already used mine to get my Wayang Monk the Braid of 100 Masters boon. Now he's gotta save up for it, lol.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Brett Carlos wrote:

Burned my oh so lonely one star to rerun God's Market Gamble on short notice over Christmas holidays. A batch of players had some free time the Saturday prior, and I didn't have time to prep something new.

Future GM stars will probably be used to rerun scenarios. With con season rapidly approaching, should have star 2 in short order...which will probably be used to rerun a scenario at a future con. I doubt I'll ever use them for a replay.

I don't understand this thought process. You can rerun a scenario at any time, so you're just burning a replay to get a chronicle. That seems a waste to me.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

Indeed, I'm only considering using my star to get a chronicle on my Magus to bump him up a level before his next game.

Silver Crusade 4/5

So for me, I only used my replay once. And it was due to a bad play run for with a new GM at a con. Forgave him, but when I got home, I visited another area and replayed it so that I knew what was going on.

So I have three left. And still a whole second half of Society year to go. :)

5/5

Hmm. I guess I'll go ahead and use mine and hope for the best, then. I've scheduled two re-runs next week; let's see how I feel afterwards.

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I have used two of the three I have. I have really enjoyed the replay. Being forgetful on stuff helps make it fresh LOL

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I've used mine. I used it on Vengeance, Sweet Vengeance.

The third ever scenario I played was The Dissappeared. It was also the second scenario I ever played at a Con. I had a choice between using my master of disguise ninja and using my obnoxiously loud color spray sorcerer who couldn't sneak even if he wanted to (and he never would). Knowing nothing about the scenario, I went with the sorcerer. Wrong character. Wrong group. Wrong GM. We botched it horribly.

You know how old fishermen like to talk about their near misses? This was The Scenario That Got Away. I retold the story so many times that one particular player in my group could practically finish my sentences. So when we ran The Dissappeared one Sunday shortly after I got my first star, I brought my ninja and did it RIGHT.

And It... Was... GLORIOUS!

Best use of a replay ever.

Grand Lodge 2/5

I'd like them to be yearly as well. There aren't many people with 4+ stars anyways and even if there were, it isn't such a bad thing. That way if someone showed up at a game venue where he's played all the scenarios that are offered he could feel comfortable spending one of those stars and sitting down to have fun rather than squirreling them away for a "special" scenario.

5/5 5/55/5

I'm still ridiculously new to PFS, but it seems like a bad idea to me to allow all stars to automatically refresh each year. Maybe I'm just worried that it'll cause a decline in GM quality more people flood in with the goal of just a numerical advantage. Of course, having it never refresh also makes it a sort of worthless boon since most people will never use them, saving them up for a rainy day that for most will probably never come. I really think the right answer has already been offered, a refresh with a hook/requirement requiring people to GM a certain number of scenarios over the past year for their replays to refresh. It should be incredibly simple to add something which not only counts your total tables of credit but how many you've accumulated since the last Gencon. I'd hope the added advantage of this is it helps keep GMs more active as well.

The Exchange 2/5

henwy wrote:

I'm still ridiculously new to PFS, but it seems like a bad idea to me to allow all stars to automatically refresh each year. Maybe I'm just worried that it'll cause a decline in GM quality more people flood in with the goal of just a numerical advantage. Of course, having it never refresh also makes it a sort of worthless boon since most people will never use them, saving them up for a rainy day that for most will probably never come. I really think the right answer has already been offered, a refresh with a hook/requirement requiring people to GM a certain number of scenarios over the past year for their replays to refresh. It should be incredibly simple to add something which not only counts your total tables of credit but how many you've accumulated since the last Gencon. I'd hope the added advantage of this is it helps keep GMs more active as well.

I'm not understanding how requiring a certain number of scenarios per year to refresh stars does away with your concerns about "people flooding in with the goal of just a numerical advantage". Assuming there are people that are GM'ing for the sole purpose of getting a replay (which I haven't seen to be the case in our area, but postulate it's true) your solution would seem to encourage MORE quantity over quality rather than less since all you're requiring to get the refresh is that a person run more games?

Grand Lodge 4/5

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People are already flooding in for the numerical advantage on rerolls. I'm a prime example! :)

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
People are already flooding in for the numerical advantage on rerolls. I'm a prime example! :)

No, I'm a prime example. You're divisible by 2.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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Gimme a few months.

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henwy wrote:

I'm still ridiculously new to PFS, but it seems like a bad idea to me to allow all stars to automatically refresh each year. Maybe I'm just worried that it'll cause a decline in GM quality more people flood in with the goal of just a numerical advantage.

I think the automatic replay is good for people like me. I haven't always been the best GM (I'm solid B with occaisional collapses and moments of genius), but I have been a GM who would be glad to take a table on short notice, volunteer when nobody stepped in etc.

I am tired, GMing skills are getting better around me, and work is keeping me busy. Now I'm taking a break from GMing. But I've had a positive impact building communities, helping, etc.

So I should keep my standing. I've built something, I should reap that reward.

As for new bad GMs, I've noticed that if you really are bad, pretty soon you can't find players. You then won't rise above 1 star.

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I wonder if instead of having them renew each year, what if they just applied once, but per Season of Scenarios.

So for example, if you had 3 stars, you could replay for credit 3 different scenarios for each of Season 0 - Season ? in a lifetime. Gaining a new star would allow one more scenario per each Season, but would not reset the others.

Something like this could even allow GM's to get Boons that rather than allowing them to apply it to a new character (like a new Race), one that could be applied to an existing character that has a Replayed Chronicle the option for an extra Replay of a different scenario without using one of their stars. Odd option that might be to complicated to be worth it.

This might help to cut down on (especially in the future after a few more year of it) the higher star GM's having an abundance of replay Chronicles, but still offer an good incentive to GM and earn Stars (other than to earn stars), but less so for people that might just want to run less than great games so they can get the perks. It would also slightly reduce (in theory at least) people hording their replays for specific Scenario/Chronicles/Boons as much, as they would have plenty of replays, but only a certain amount per Season, but should encourage a lot more GMing of older Scenarios.

Thoughts?

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, West Virginia—Charleston

I am confused by all of the people wanting to limit replay from GM stars. If replay hasn't posed a problem, why limit it?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Netopalis wrote:
I am confused by all of the people wanting to limit replay from GM stars. If replay hasn't posed a problem, why limit it?

Well, from where we are now, it's actually expanding it, and removing limits, not increasing them.

In the above example of a 3 Star GM

Now they have: 3 Replays period (no renew)
vs
the idea I had: 3 Replays for each Season (no renew)

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DM Beckett wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
I am confused by all of the people wanting to limit replay from GM stars. If replay hasn't posed a problem, why limit it?

Well, from where we are now, it's actually expanding it, and removing limits, not increasing them.

In the above example of a 3 Star GM

Now they have: 3 Replays period (no renew)
vs
the idea I had: 3 Replays for each Season (no renew)

Right, I'm aware. However, I have yet to hear anybody explain to me why somebody who has GMmed over 100 games is too immature to replay four scenarios per year without metagaming. I hear a lot of vague uncertainties, but...shouldn't we trust our GMs more than that?

Liberty's Edge 2/5

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If they stay lifetime, I don't see me ever using any.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Netopalis wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
I am confused by all of the people wanting to limit replay from GM stars. If replay hasn't posed a problem, why limit it?

Well, from where we are now, it's actually expanding it, and removing limits, not increasing them.

In the above example of a 3 Star GM

Now they have: 3 Replays period (no renew)
vs
the idea I had: 3 Replays for each Season (no renew)

Right, I'm aware. However, I have yet to hear anybody explain to me why somebody who has GMmed over 100 games is too immature to replay four scenarios per year without metagaming. I hear a lot of vague uncertainties, but...shouldn't we trust our GMs more than that?

I'm not sure how my suggestion of an idea equals "too immature to replay four scenarios per year without metagaming"? I was simply offering an alternative possibility. I am all for them renewing annually, and like I mentioned above, I was under the impression until recently that that was how they worked now.

The Exchange 2/5

Netopalis wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
I am confused by all of the people wanting to limit replay from GM stars. If replay hasn't posed a problem, why limit it?

Well, from where we are now, it's actually expanding it, and removing limits, not increasing them.

In the above example of a 3 Star GM

Now they have: 3 Replays period (no renew)
vs
the idea I had: 3 Replays for each Season (no renew)

Right, I'm aware. However, I have yet to hear anybody explain to me why somebody who has GMmed over 100 games is too immature to replay four scenarios per year without metagaming. I hear a lot of vague uncertainties, but...shouldn't we trust our GMs more than that?

I personally do and hope they change it back to refreshing every year. I think it's a really nice perk for people who are giving back to the pathfinder society community. Although the bonus to your re-rolls certainly is nice, as well!

Liberty's Edge 5/5 **

I haven't used any. I'm loath to use anything that might be limited to 5 times, ever.

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