Honorable Goblin |
Considering the Shield Slam feat specifically says that the free bull rush does not provoke, I'd say unless another special ability had similar language, any combat maneuvers granted by said ability's use would provoke.
RosaMea |
Considering the Shield Slam feat specifically says that the free bull rush does not provoke, I'd say unless another special ability had similar language, any combat maneuvers granted by said ability's use would provoke.
Yes, but Shield Slam is a Feat and Redirection and Timely Tip are special abilities listed under their classes's description, not feats, and may work under different rules...
For example: Redirection states that "a flowing monk can attempt a reposition or trip combat maneuver against a creature that the flowing monk threatens and that attacks him," but can you really perform an attack of opportunity againts the target that you just attacked, especially as Redirection is kicking in as a response to your attack?
(thank you for responding, I just really want the fine point clarified.)
:)
Honorable Goblin |
*Snip*
can you really perform an attack of opportunity againts the target that you just attacked, especially as Redirection is kicking in as a response to your attack?
Well, if it's my turn and I attack an orc, using the Trip combat maneuver without the Improved Trip feat, I will provoke an attack of opportunity from the orc. He can then use his AoO to use the Trip maneuver against me. If he doesn't have the Improved Trip feat, then he'd provoke an AoO from me, which I can then use to try to Trip him and this could go on and on so long as we each had the ability to continue making AoO's (such as from Combat Reflexes).
And as far as class features vs. feats, look at the Knockdown barbarian rage power, and the Trick Throw alternate class feature of the Unarmed Fighter fighter archetype. Both abilities specifically say that using them does not provoke, so I stand by my initial ruling.
RosaMea |
RosaMea wrote:*Snip*
can you really perform an attack of opportunity againts the target that you just attacked, especially as Redirection is kicking in as a response to your attack?Well, if it's my turn and I attack an orc, using the Trip combat maneuver without the Improved Trip feat, I will provoke an attack of opportunity from the orc. He can then use his AoO to use the Trip maneuver against me. If he doesn't have the Improved Trip feat, then he'd provoke an AoO from me, which I can then use to try to Trip him and this could go on and on so long as we each had the ability to continue making AoO's (such as from Combat Reflexes).
And as far as class features vs. feats, look at the Knockdown barbarian rage power, and the Trick Throw alternate class feature of the Unarmed Fighter fighter archetype. Both abilities specifically say that using them does not provoke, so I stand by my initial ruling.
Ok, this is the answer that I was looking for, an ability examp;e as opposed to a feat... :)
This also men that a wolf provokes an attack of opportunity when it attemmpts a trip.
Lynceus |
Afraid not, the Wolf has the monster ability Trip [Ex] that states:
A creature with the trip special attack can attempt to trip its opponent as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity if it hits with the specified attack. If the attempt fails, the creature is not tripped in return.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules #TOC-Trip-Ex-