Much like in the RIP philosophy thread, I hear the gorillas.
*puts a paw to The NPCs head*
You feeling ok?
Much like in the RIP philosophy thread, I hear the gorillas.*puts a paw to The NPCs head*
You feeling ok?
How they pound and they shriek...
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My, admittedly limited, experience with unions has been awesome.
In the four and a half years that I have been with my employer, my hourly rate has gone up $3.30--it would've been up $4.20 [bubble bubble bubble] except for the clusterf%$@ that is the on-going contract debacle, but, no fear, when it finally gets put to bed I shall receive a retroactive check for all the hours that I've worked since August.
In that same time, my quite good health insurance has been absolutely free, as has my dental. In six months, I will be invested in a benefits-defined pension plan that, if I stay until I retire, will pay me upwards of $3k/per month (and that's nowadays, who knows what it will be when I retire). As a part-timer, I get paid overtime for going over 5 hours per day. The road from part-timer to full-timer is a long, hard slog, and has been made much harder since the 2008 crash (all kindsa construction workers who had been there for years and were only there for the insurance all of a sudden needed full-time jobs), but there's no cap on part-time pay, so I know that if I have to stay there forever as part-time I will eventually be making $20/hr.
On top of all that, my drunken anarcho-syndicalist hetero life partner got me in, so I already knew the ropes, and, as soon as I passed my 30 day probationary period, I started filing grievances against contractual violations. This led the Shift Manager to tell my hetero life partner that he didn't understand why he (my lp) would bring such an "a~*&$$~" into the company and that he would hold me against my lp for the rest of his life. Hee hee!
After a year, I was appointed a shop-floor steward by my business agent, and then I really went berserk. I engaged in a war of attrition with my full-time supervisor about a variety of issues, was falsely accused a couple of times for harrassment (untrue! charges never went anywhere) and I was even "fired" for workplace violence (I ripped a report out of my part-time supervisor's hands, crumpled it into a ball, threw it at him and screamed "F!!$ OFF!" in his face, unintentionally showering him in saliva--later that week I apologized for spitting on him, "Oh, don't worry Doodlebug, it's okay..." Hee hee!) but, uh, I still work there.
I got to engage in some pretty awesome activities such as: representing a mentally ill Spanish-speaker who called a conference with their bosses to ask him whether they understood such concepts as "morals" or "ethics" ("You better watch out. I am a ghost in the machine, a tiger in the jungle. I'll see you on Monday" he said, on a Tuesday), took a punch in the face from a buddy of mine after I physically intervened in a fight that was about to break out between him and a manager, represented an obviously inebriated kid who talked his way out of getting drug-tested (and then vomitted copiously a minute after the supes left), saved a couple of other people's jobs for a variety of reasons, not all of which I am morally comfortable with (you're taking pictures on your smartphone of female employees and texting them to your buddies around the building?!? Wtf is wrong with you?!? [Cuffs union brother]) but, for better or worse, being a union steward is sometimes like being a defense attorney and sometimes you have to defend some pretty scummy individuals.
And then, on top of that, there are the other benefits, like going to union meetings and seeing the leadership drop $5,000 at the drop of a hat for some brother or sister who had been in an accident or come down with cancer, gone to picket lines of my brothers and sisters at other shops (F!!$ you, you f#*@ing scab!!!!), participated in a campaign to organize the largely Ethiopian and Somali workers in Boston's valet parking indusutry and, best of all, meeting more drug dealers than I've ever known in my 15 or so years of doing drugs.
It's not all roses, of course. The Teamsters have a pretty, um, colorful history, and my local may have, um, been pretty well-connected to the Winter Hill Gang once upon a time, and my local president may have been recently suspended by the federally-overseen Internal Review Board for making intimidating speeches against a reform-minded caucus seeking election in Rhode Island (which I am against, but I am also against ratting to the feds--Labor must clean its own house!). And, of course, they're pretty tight with the whole panoply of corrupt Massachusetts Democratic fake friends of labor, but, hey, 20 years ago we were allied with the Republicans under Weld and Cellucci, so, I guess progress is being made.
But it sure beats any of the non-union jobs I've ever had--except for that one at the used record store where I could smoke weed everyday. But, alas, that one didn't pay very well.
Well, to take just the first paragraph for now, in my limited experience, if a worker comes into work drunk or on drugs, the company can demand a drug test. If the worker can't pass the drug test, or refuses the drug test, he's fired. Where I work, if the worker fails the drug test, he has a one-time shot to say "I've got a problem" and go into the detox program.
But after that, they can test you whenever they want, anytime they want, for, I think, the rest of your career, and if they catch you, you're done.
In my, again, limited experience, I didn't have to vehemently defend the inebriated worker at all. In fact, I knew he was inebriated and, to be honest, I was terrified the entire time the manager interviewed him, because I had never dealt with the situation before and I knew the worker was done for. And as the manager interviewed the obviously inebriated worker, and it became more and more obvious that he was inebriated, and I had no idea what I was going to do in his defense, the manager pulled me aside and said "Yeah, I guess he's fine." "Yeah?" I said, trying to hide my shock. "Yeah, I mean, if I didn't know him I would think he was f+*~ed up, but he's like that all the time." "Yeah," I didn't say, "That's because he is f$*@ed up all the time."
The manager went back to the worker, said something else to the worker and left the floor. I pretended to go back to my work area, and once the manager was gone, I hurried back to the worker to give him a lecture on how f!@@ing lucky he was and he'd better cut this shiznit out but instead I found him in between the trucks, projectile vomitting.
So, in my limited experience, I didn't have to vehemently defend anything.
Teamster Power!!!
My employer
My local
My comrades
Teamsters and the Civil Rights Movement
Danny DeVito
[Shakes clenched fist]
Team-sters! Team-sters! Team-sters!
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I now have this image in my head of Anklebiter being the Frank Sobotka of teamsters, except presumably not so involved in organised crime.
And none of this has a damn thing to do with the owner firing the staff without notice just before Christmas. It's not like he just noticed the staff was tattooed and pierced one day and fired them all. This is pretty blatantly retaliation for union action.tattoos and the like do not means someone is not deserving of job with good pay or basic human decency. Unless there was something up with your service or the food, this is sounds more like intolerance of people with weird piercings and the like than any deficiency on their part. Stick to McDonald's and subway and the like if you want a uniform appearance and guaranteed low pay in your servers."I have eaten at this place, and everyone there was covered in tattoos and piercings. It's no wonder they couldn't find jobs paying them a good wage because most organizations requiring professional dress and grooming never would have hired them, unless it was some second hand clothing store in Wicker Park, the hipster enclave of Chicago.
So they picketed and fought for higher wages, now they are out of a job. Would it have been better to make the lower wage and still have an on-going job? Or are they better off with no job? Personally, I would have kept the lower wage, and then made a plan to get myself a better paying job or a second job to improve my living standard. But I guess the tactics I used on myself when coming out of high school and college are "dated" and "out of touch"."
You make it sound like recoiling from tats and piercing is like recoiling from members of a certain race or something, when it's really not.
Without thinking less about anybody or even having any bias, I can say that I wouldn't want to eat in a place where the waiters are all pierced and tattooed in obvious and unusual ways. I find most forms of piercing to range from...
[Aisha Taylor] A - Yup [/Aisha Taylor]
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If you dress like a thug, you probably act like a thug.
Besides note judging books by covers, I don't associate tattoos and piercings with looking like a thug.
But that's probably because I didn't grow up in a Final Fight game.
I did. The people dressed like thugs were either harmless, stupid, but or just starting out. The people dressed to blend in with the a crowd were dangerous, and still are.
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tattoos and the like do not means someone is not deserving of job with good pay or basic human decency. Unless there was something up with your service or the food, this is sounds more like intolerance of people with weird piercings and the like than any deficiency on their part. Stick to McDonald's and subway and the like if you want a uniform appearance and guaranteed low pay in your servers."I have eaten at this place, and everyone there was covered in tattoos and piercings. It's no wonder they couldn't find jobs paying them a good wage because most organizations requiring professional dress and grooming never would have hired them, unless it was some second hand clothing store in Wicker Park, the hipster enclave of Chicago.
So they picketed and fought for higher wages, now they are out of a job. Would it have been better to make the lower wage and still have an on-going job? Or are they better off with no job? Personally, I would have kept the lower wage, and then made a plan to get myself a better paying job or a second job to improve my living standard. But I guess the tactics I used on myself when coming out of high school and college are "dated" and "out of touch"."
You make it sound like recoiling from tats and piercing is like recoiling from members of a certain race or something, when it's really not.
Without thinking less about anybody or even having any bias, I can say that I wouldn't want to eat in a place where the waiters are all pierced and tattooed in obvious and unusual ways. I find most forms of piercing to range from...
preferring to eat some place else is one thing, taking smug glee in the fact that people are now out of a job because of their personal choices is something quite different. To me, it's the same thing as telling someone with dreds or a natural afro that they should get a Caesar or a weave or not be surprised if they get a pink slip.
Back to the original post:
It's a freakin SANDWICH shop...sure the employees can unionize and get $15/hour...and the owner needs to charge $12.50 for a sandwhich and immediately goes out of business for a complete lack of customers...
Some common sense has to apply...they owner has a slim profit margin per sandwhich....and anything that cuts down on actual or perceived business has to be taken into account...i.e. keeping non productive workers, drunks, or anyone who scares off new or potential repeat customers such as the crazy eyed overly pierced tattooed covered a$$hat behind the counter.
And no I am no anti union...I belong to a union (railroad)...but unions are not for every type of work industry
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@Freehold DM: agreed. Smug glee is almost never a good thing. As for those with a natural afro - I myself have long hair (not an afro, though) and I recognize that in some places this does not fly. As I aspire to join the high tech market one day, I might have to cut my hair one day in order to be taken seriously in such an environment. Because even through I prefer having long hair (had, in fact, been keeping it long for the past 14 years of my life) I understand that there's a price to that. And a time will come when I will no longer be willing to pay that price.
@Freehold DM: agreed. Smug glee is almost never a good thing. As for those with a natural afro - I myself have long hair (not an afro, though) and I recognize that in some places this does not fly. As I aspire to join the high tech market one day, I might have to cut my hair one day in order to be taken seriously in such an environment. Because even through I prefer having long hair (had, in fact, been keeping it long for the past 14 years of my life) I understand that there's a price to that. And a time will come when I will no longer be willing to pay that price.
LOL. I'm sitting next to the Chief Technical Architect for Storage at Intel, and his hair's below his shoulder blades. Our machine shop/fabrication specialist at the end the the table has slightly longer hair than that.
The tech industry cares less about personal appearance (and unfortunately, hygiene) than any other I've been in. If you're technical, the worst you have to do is actually keep that long hair and beard trimmed, and dress nicely when you're in front of the public.
Keep that hair, Lord Snow!
I now have this image in my head of Anklebiter being the Frank Sobotka of teamsters
[Blushes with pleasure]
except presumably not so involved in organised crime.
Only in the role as a (regular) customer of some illicit substances.
[bubble bubble bubble]
More commie propaganda about Snarf's
Although, actually, it looks better here.
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Many people see exposed tats and facial piercings as the uniform of trash and troublemakers. you might be a great person, you are wearing the uniform by choice. If someone dresses like a klansman or neo nazi do you assume they are or that they are just dressing comfortable/ Same goes for the baggy hoods and pants around the knees, you are wearing the uniform of a criminal so you get watched closer
Says the devil...
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Many people see exposed tats and facial piercings as the uniform of trash and troublemakers. you might be a great person, you are wearing the uniform by choice. If someone dresses like a klansman or neo nazi do you assume they are or that they are just dressing comfortable/ Same goes for the baggy hoods and pants around the knees, you are wearing the uniform of a criminal so you get watched closerSays the devil...
Says someone that works retail and backed up by several friends and family in law enforcement. The vast bulk of theft and violent crimes come from folks dressed that way so yes it is widely seen as what to look out for.
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From Zoot Suits to hoodies: the sartorial fashions of the young urban male = the uniform of a criminal.
Stop complaining, liberals. It's the American way.
Says someone that works retail and backed up by several friends and family in law enforcement. The vast bulk of theft and violent crimes come from folks dressed that way so yes it is widely seen as what to look out for.Many people see exposed tats and facial piercings as the uniform of trash and troublemakers. you might be a great person, you are wearing the uniform by choice. If someone dresses like a klansman or neo nazi do you assume they are or that they are just dressing comfortable/ Same goes for the baggy hoods and pants around the knees, you are wearing the uniform of a criminal so you get watched closerSays the devil...
Wow. Didn't even clip a horn.
Says someone that works retail and backed up by several friends and family in law enforcement. The vast bulk of theft and violent crimes come from folks dressed that way so yes it is widely seen as what to look out for.Many people see exposed tats and facial piercings as the uniform of trash and troublemakers. you might be a great person, you are wearing the uniform by choice. If someone dresses like a klansman or neo nazi do you assume they are or that they are just dressing comfortable/ Same goes for the baggy hoods and pants around the knees, you are wearing the uniform of a criminal so you get watched closerSays the devil...
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So, I got a whole bunch of overtime this past month and I worked with a lot of different people on different shifts. As a proud member of the New England proletariat, of course, I am not terribly friendly to people I don't know, but I decided to make an effort.
Anyway, one guy to whom I introduced myself, was a young white guy fresh out of the Marines. We're just talking about the usual shiznit, when somehow the conversation turns to how he hates people who wear saggy pants. "You know where that comes from?" he animatedly asks.
Mentally, I am [facepalming] and [headdesking] until blood spurts out of all my orifices. But in the truck I go "Um, I don't know...prison?"
"Yeah! When a guy wanted to get f#&%ed in the ass, he'd wear his pants like that!"
He was getting strangely excited, I thought.
"Yeah, really? I've never heard that before..."
"No yeah, it's true. So when you see one of these guys--black or white" you know, cuz, of course, he's not a racist "walking around with their pants sagging down, it means they're punk ass biznitches!" he finished, did I just imagine it?, ejaculatorily.
"Yeah, uh, I don't know if..., um, Jesus, look at all these pallets! When's break on this shift?"
this article has the quoted comment.
BRUCE's comment is the best:
"it really shows heart to let the employees know before the
holidays, as they will be able to cut back now and not after they just
spent a lot of money for the holidays. You people choose to work in the
fast food industry, no one made you take that job and stay there. This
type employment has always been mainly for those in school and for
those who want a part time job. Some decide to go into management in
this area, when they do they find that the wages are not even close to
what you are asking for. Many of your managers are making 11 to 12
dollars an hour. Most managers are lucky if with hard work and overtime
they make 32,000 a year.
it is time you people start asking yourselves one question, a question
that all future employers will ask you. ARE YOU A TEAM PLAYER OR NOT?
my guess is if I were your boss and you walked out on the picket line
about wages I would find someone else to fill your position.
Have you ever tried to work hard, show an interest in the business,
participate and find solutions to problems Help out even when not
asked, take charge of something. when you do these things, go to your
boss and ask for a raise, if he will not move go over his head, but be
sure your do the above. If you do not devote yourself, you do not
deserve a penny more.
Are you being offered benefits with your position, if so you have to
figure that into what your pay is. Its is not free for the employer to
get health insurance for its employee's, also if you take time off then
the employer has to cover that position, usually with overtime.
whether it be for vacation, illness, or just because.
You are all sheep, following some liberal idiot who wants big money for
these people, but does not even care, that person is probably making a
good paycheck somewhere and cares not for you but the political agenda
he wants.
You need to understand there is very high overhead to run a business in
illinois, especailly in chicago, you should apply to factory jobs, any
you can find as they pay better than fast food. Also, as a person you
must sell yourself and backup what you are selling to your prospective
employer. I was laid off in Sept, got another job in October was laid
off deb 6 and started another company dec 16. I did what I had to do to
keep food on the table, roof over our heads and my sanity. This was in
factory work.
Do not tell me there are no jobs, go to careerbuilder and you will see
thousands of entry level jpbs you can work up from.
WAKE UP ALL YOU WILL NEVER SEE THE WAGE YOU WANT IN FAST FOOD"
I don't know the details about on the ground in Snarf's of course, but if they are organizing a union-drive or participating in city-wide political actions, well, that kinda sounds like being a team player.
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This reeks of confirmation bias.Says someone that works retail and backed up by several friends and family in law enforcement. The vast bulk of theft and violent crimes come from folks dressed that way so yes it is widely seen as what to look out for.Many people see exposed tats and facial piercings as the uniform of trash and troublemakers. you might be a great person, you are wearing the uniform by choice. If someone dresses like a klansman or neo nazi do you assume they are or that they are just dressing comfortable/ Same goes for the baggy hoods and pants around the knees, you are wearing the uniform of a criminal so you get watched closerSays the devil...
It reeks of reality.
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So, I got a whole bunch of overtime this past month and I worked with a lot of different people on different shifts. As a proud member of the New England proletariat, of course, I am not terribly friendly to people I don't know, but I decided to make an effort.
Anyway, one guy to whom I introduced myself, was a young white guy fresh out of the Marines. We're just talking about the usual shiznit, when somehow the conversation turns to how he hates people who wear saggy pants. "You know where that comes from?" he animatedly asks.
Mentally, I am [facepalming] and [headdesking] until blood spurts out of all my orifices. But in the truck I go "Um, I don't know...prison?"
"Yeah! When a guy wanted to get f@$*ed in the ass, he'd wear his pants like that!"
He was getting strangely excited, I thought.
"Yeah, really? I've never heard that before..."
"No yeah, it's true. So when you see one of these guys--black or white" you know, cuz, of course, he's not a racist "walking around with their pants sagging down, it means they're punk ass biznitches!" he finished, did I just imagine it?, ejaculatorily.
"Yeah, uh, I don't know if..., um, Jesus, look at all these pallets! When's break on this shift?"
i always heard it was from prisoners not being allowed to have belts
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i always heard it was from prisoners not being allowed to have beltsSo, I got a whole bunch of overtime this past month and I worked with a lot of different people on different shifts. As a proud member of the New England proletariat, of course, I am not terribly friendly to people I don't know, but I decided to make an effort.
Anyway, one guy to whom I introduced myself, was a young white guy fresh out of the Marines. We're just talking about the usual shiznit, when somehow the conversation turns to how he hates people who wear saggy pants. "You know where that comes from?" he animatedly asks.
Mentally, I am [facepalming] and [headdesking] until blood spurts out of all my orifices. But in the truck I go "Um, I don't know...prison?"
"Yeah! When a guy wanted to get f@$*ed in the ass, he'd wear his pants like that!"
He was getting strangely excited, I thought.
"Yeah, really? I've never heard that before..."
"No yeah, it's true. So when you see one of these guys--black or white" you know, cuz, of course, he's not a racist "walking around with their pants sagging down, it means they're punk ass biznitches!" he finished, did I just imagine it?, ejaculatorily.
"Yeah, uh, I don't know if..., um, Jesus, look at all these pallets! When's break on this shift?"
This is actually correct, just in case anyone was wondering.
Which part? Its derivation in the department of corrections? Or its history as a signifier of desire to engage in steamy, consensual, hawt, inmate-on-inmate sexytime?
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@Freehold DM: agreed. Smug glee is almost never a good thing. As for those with a natural afro - I myself have long hair (not an afro, though) and I recognize that in some places this does not fly. As I aspire to join the high tech market one day, I might have to cut my hair one day in order to be taken seriously in such an environment. Because even through I prefer having long hair (had, in fact, been keeping it long for the past 14 years of my life) I understand that there's a price to that. And a time will come when I will no longer be willing to pay that price.
LOL. I'm sitting next to the Chief Technical Architect for Storage at Intel, and his hair's below his shoulder blades. Our machine shop/fabrication specialist at the end the the table has slightly longer hair than that.
The tech industry cares less about personal appearance (and unfortunately, hygiene) than any other I've been in. If you're technical, the worst you have to do is actually keep that long hair and beard trimmed, and dress nicely when you're in front of the public.
Keep that hair, Lord Snow!
Alas, I never said I was going to be technical. I care more about the larger view of things than about being a code monkey :)
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I'd think that Chief Technical Architect would be the guy that designs things on the hardware side. Since it's for their storage division he's probably the guy that handles things like NAND flash die shrinks for their SSDs and the like. So, at a guess, I'd say he's likely to have degrees in various subfields of electrical engineering rather than software engineering. Probably microelectronics if I had to guess even further.
More of a hardware guy than a code monkey, I'm sure. Though he's probably got at least some skills as a code monkey so he can actually understand things about their SSD controller firmwares.
Yeah, sure, I guess I just said code monkey because I was thinking about myself. And if there's one thing I am NOT EVER going to be, that's probably an electrical engineer.
LOL. Well, I can't speak for other areas of the industry; I know that there are people in my office who are well-groomed and well-dressed. They don't associate with us, and shoo us away when we wander in their areas. So apparently someone has to look decent around here! :-P
(Disclaimer: I'm at Oracle rather than Intel, but from my friend's description, the atmospheres are near-identical in terms of dress codes, associations, and so forth.)
I think it comes from wearing pants that don't fit, on purpose.
Belt thing wouldn't really matter otherwise.
Prisoners not allowed belts in pre-trial.
Makes sense: no taking themselves off the count, no making them into improv weapons, etc.
Shoelaces, too.
We were never allowed jewelry period when I worked in food service. No rings, no watches, nothing. They also wouldn't let you wear piercings because they were worried they would fall in the food.
I thought they wore jumpsuits in prison these days.
Anyhow, here on the Dice Estate, men frequently wear make-up and high heels, and the women wear their hair braided into bird cages, with song birds inside. I mean, okay, I try to color coordinate my eyeshadow with the piping on my high heels, but you'll never catch me wearing a guano-catch cap, cause I'm a dude, and that's female fashion.
My point? Looking for a reasonable explanation for fashion trends is a fool's errand.
Speaking seriously to GreatKhanArtist, the places I've worked have had that policy for kitchen staff, but floor staff is allowed tasteful/reasonable jewelry. I've never worked anyplace that has required anyone (kitchen or floor staff) to remove their wedding ring, but that's a special case, and most kitchen staff usually chooses to before they start shoving organ meats into the sausage grinder or whatever.
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My point? Looking for a reasonable explanation for fashion trends is a fool's errand.
Actually, I find it fascinating and pretty on-topic.
Take away all the kinds of decent-paying, unionized manufacturing jobs that young urban working-class males used to do, replace them with, um, nothing, throw in a war on drugs and mass incarceration of those young urban working-class males, toss in some of that ages-old "Bad N----" folklore (random example) and PRESTO!!! young kids into street fashions dressing like inmates.
You don't need to be a Marxist to figure this shiznit out, but it doesn't hurt.
Oh, what's that, Amy?
Jobless Benefits Cut for 1.3 Million, Despite Highest Long-Term Unemployment Since World War II?
You don't say?
Communism: America's Best, Last Hope
Vive le Galt!
My point? Looking for a reasonable explanation for fashion trends is a fool's errand.Actually, I find it fascinating and pretty on-topic.
Take away all the kinds of decent-paying, unionized manufacturing jobs that young urban working-class males used to do, replace them with, um, nothing, throw in a war on drugs and mass incarceration of those young urban working-class males, toss in some of that ages-old "Bad N----" folklore (random example) and PRESTO!!! young kids into street fashions dressing like inmates.
You don't need to be a Marxist to figure this shiznit out, but it doesn't hurt.
I'm not saying you're wrong, Doodles, just that it's a fool's errand.
Want to talk about the gap between the rich and the poor, and maybe invest some effort in solving that disparity? Aw, h**l the f**k no, they all dress in saggy pants cause they like to take it in the ass! That's hilarious!!.
Poor people buy baggy clothing because tailoring is expensive, and loose clothing allows for easier movement than tight clothing. But that's just my 8 farthings. :)
I'm not saying you're wrong, Doodles, just that it's a fool's errand.
Goblins, fools....
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Hey all,
I actually work in the building where Snarf's Chicago is located. I have worked here for 3 years, eaten at Snarf's numerous times and know the employees.
#1 Part of Snarf's appeal were their uber-friendly employees. It was obvious that they hired a particular demographic of hipster and counterculture peeps (think indie coffeeshop). No one was fired because of their looks, tatts or piercings. ETA: Nor did their looks affect business in any way.
#2 For a long time, Snarf's was one of the few dining options for this building and all the companies housed within it (Wrigley, Groupon, etc). There was a bar that served lunch, a nearby coffee shop and Snarf's. For lack of a better term, they had a captive audience. They were on the pricey side but I liked their grub.
#3 One of the major companies started having different restaurants come in and sell lunch in their 3 different lunchrooms as well as building their own company cafeteria that served food in a fourth lunchroom. Also, it became more common for food trucks, anywhere from 2-6, to sell their wares outside the building during lunch.
Then, earlier this month:
#4 Snarf's employees did take part in the higher wage protest on a Thursday.
#4a OPINION They don't expect to make $15/hr. You don't start negotiations at what you actually want, you ask for more than that so when you negotiate and compromise you get what you actually want.
#5 Snarf's immediately closed the next day, Friday...then reopened on a Monday.
#5a RUMOR There were rumors of legal implications as this was possible retaliation by the business (possible wrongful termination lawsuit for violating good faith and fair dealing?)
Then recently:
#6 Snarf's terminated its employees before Christmas.
#6a OPINION Corporate hired a bunch of college-educated, liberal, activist employees and fumbled by knee-jerk firing them before Christmas with no media strategy.
Thanks for the info, Sammy T, everything you posted sounds completely believable. (Particularly #6a, but that's personal and political).
My best job ever was union. CWA SSS with avaya. Started in October 1998 and held on until April 2012. Went from 14 an hour to 28. Creating that kinda paycheck outside of the union environment is a tall order these days for the same level of skill.