thejeff |
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Aranna wrote:Well, either you have view that are kind of similar, or the BBC's ideology and bias is pretty close to the hegemonical ideology.So your saying I don't see BBC bias because I share their views?
In fairness, Aranna sees things from a much more rightist viewpoint and has different views on other channels: I think NPR is at best centrist, she calls out "massive leftist bias", etc.
It may be more that the BBC doesn't directly as much with hot-button US issues and thus avoids bias more obvious to Americans.
BigDTBone |
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I get most of my news from WSJ/BBC/NPR.
I haven't noticed any political bias from the BBC on its American reporting. Now maybe I just wasn't looking for it. But I have noticed a slight conservative bias in the WSJ. And I see a massive leftist bias from NPR on nearly every article. I would include FOX if it were available on podcast if only to get both sides of every story.FOX did set out to create a fair and unbiased news network... and mostly succeeded early on with the exception of some of their strongly right wing talk hosts. They do definitely drift right these days making them the perfect counterpoint to left biased sources like CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ect. That is for those of us who like hearing both sides.
Yeah, if this statement accurately reflects how you see these news sources then you should count yourself in that second category. Ie. very very conservative: Machiavellian.
Aranna |
Aranna wrote:Yeah, if this statement accurately reflects how you see these news sources then you should count yourself in that second category. Ie. very very conservative: Machiavellian.I get most of my news from WSJ/BBC/NPR.
I haven't noticed any political bias from the BBC on its American reporting. Now maybe I just wasn't looking for it. But I have noticed a slight conservative bias in the WSJ. And I see a massive leftist bias from NPR on nearly every article. I would include FOX if it were available on podcast if only to get both sides of every story.FOX did set out to create a fair and unbiased news network... and mostly succeeded early on with the exception of some of their strongly right wing talk hosts. They do definitely drift right these days making them the perfect counterpoint to left biased sources like CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ect. That is for those of us who like hearing both sides.
Except conservatism is the exact opposite of machiavellian. The brand of conservatism I subscribe to seeks to expand everyone's productivity and wealth. Not just the wealth of the prince which sounds more like a concentration of power in the hands of a few which is a leftist goal. Big government vs small government and all that.
Also I am not truly right wing in the sense most people think of. According to my last political alignment test I am a conservative leaning moderate. But that's mostly fiscal conservatism. I am solidly middle of the road on social issues and slightly left leaning on government regulation.
Yes I favor a small but much more effectively run government capable of truly policing businesses rather than the left's big government solution of relying on corrupt bureaucrats who in the past have been largely ineffective at catching anyone other than their political enemies.
thejeff |
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Except conservatism is the exact opposite of machiavellian. The brand of conservatism I subscribe to seeks to expand everyone's productivity and wealth. Not just the wealth of the prince which sounds more like a concentration of power in the hands of a few which is a leftist goal. Big government vs small government and all that.
Also I am not truly right wing in the sense most people think of. According to my last political alignment test I am a conservative leaning moderate. But that's mostly fiscal conservatism. I am solidly middle of the road on social issues and slightly left leaning on government regulation.
Yes I favor a small but much more effectively run government capable of truly policing businesses rather than the left's big government solution of relying on corrupt bureaucrats who in the past have been largely ineffective at catching anyone other than their political enemies.
Which if we're building strawmen, is nicely matched by the right's "small" government solution of cutting social services, outsourcing what remains to inefficient well-connected business and running up the debt while pretending tax cuts will increase revenue.
Concentration of power in the hands of a few isn't a leftist goal. It's occasionally a leftist means, but there have been plenty of rightist dictatorships.
BigDTBone |
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BigDTBone wrote:Aranna wrote:Yeah, if this statement accurately reflects how you see these news sources then you should count yourself in that second category. Ie. very very conservative: Machiavellian.I get most of my news from WSJ/BBC/NPR.
I haven't noticed any political bias from the BBC on its American reporting. Now maybe I just wasn't looking for it. But I have noticed a slight conservative bias in the WSJ. And I see a massive leftist bias from NPR on nearly every article. I would include FOX if it were available on podcast if only to get both sides of every story.FOX did set out to create a fair and unbiased news network... and mostly succeeded early on with the exception of some of their strongly right wing talk hosts. They do definitely drift right these days making them the perfect counterpoint to left biased sources like CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ect. That is for those of us who like hearing both sides.
Except conservatism is the exact opposite of machiavellian. The brand of conservatism I subscribe to seeks to expand everyone's productivity and wealth. Not just the wealth of the prince which sounds more like a concentration of power in the hands of a few which is a leftist goal. Big government vs small government and all that.
Also I am not truly right wing in the sense most people think of. According to my last political alignment test I am a conservative leaning moderate. But that's mostly fiscal conservatism. I am solidly middle of the road on social issues and slightly left leaning on government regulation.
Yes I favor a small but much more effectively run government capable of truly policing businesses rather than the left's big government solution of relying on corrupt bureaucrats who in the past have been largely ineffective at catching anyone other than their political enemies.
Har dee har har har. The very definitions of left politics are diffuse power among broader assortment of people, and of right politics is concentrated power in the hands of a few people as possible. It is quite impossible to have a liberal monarchy, just as you couldn't have a conservative anarchy.
I have no doubt, however, that you believe your definitions because those are the labels we get fed on a daily basis. Bonus points that you took a "test" to have someone else determine how you feel about politics. Completely awesome social engineering on their part. Was is sponsored by the Brookings Institute?
Aranna |
And that's why I consider myself a moderate. Both the left and right focus on ways to consolidate their own power... I favor breaking up monopolies (like big corporations or big government) and setting up local police forces tasked with keeping businesses running fairly. If everyone is gainfully employed then we will no longer need bloated social programs, which AFTER the fall of unemployment can be trimmed back and streamlined into TRULY helpful programs that retrain the needy to fill well paid and in demand positions. There is a saying "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
Krensky |
The Discorsi are far more important than the Il Principe, although I found Dell'arte della guerra more entertaining.
This may have a little to do with the fact that my political science professor was the inspiration for Ben Stein's character in Ferris Bueller's Day off while my military theory professor was actually entertaining and could teach rather than just read canned lectures.
Don Juan de Doodlebug |
Not a labor story, per se, but, good god, does Naomi Klein get me hot and bothered.
This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate by Naomi Klein – review
Don Juan de Doodlebug |
Comrade Anklebiter |
I have no idea why I thought he was the national president. He is the president of CUPE Ontario.
In other news, old comrades savage new comrades:
Democrats Buy Votes with Minimum-Wage Ploy--Fight Poverty Wages Through Class Struggle!
Vive le Galt!
Comrade Anklebiter |
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Amusing anecdote about Chomsky that reminded me of the recent exchange here:
One night over a bottle of Irish whiskey, Alexander Cockburn told me a story about Noam Chomsky’s teeth. One day the great brain went to the dentist for a check up after several years of neglect. During the examination, the tooth doctor noticed extreme wear on the enamel of Chomsky’s molars.
“Noam, do you grind your teeth?”
“Not that I know of.”
“Well, the enamel is taking a real pounding. Perhaps you’re doing it at night. Can you ask your wife if she’s observed anything?”
Chomsky goes home Lexington, near the MIT campus and tells his wife Carol about his encounter with the dentist. That night and the next, Carol stays up after Noam has fallen asleep, keeping a close watch for any nocturnal grinding but notices no unusual dental machinations.
However, Carol did observe a furious gnashing each morning at the breakfast table as Noam read his way through the New York Times.
Gaberlunzie |
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Since Anklebiter is already way off-thread, I thought I might just link this here:
Interview with Peter Sunde in a Swedish newspaper
Peter "Brokep" Sunde is one of the founders of the Pirate Bay, a socialist, and frakkin' hilarious.
In case google translate doesn't translate the awesomeness well enough, here's a few excerpts:
On a disagreement about what to do with the income related to TPB:
"Svartholm Warg wanted to buy equipment, Neijj wanted to take it as profit. Peter Sunde got tired of the bickering, and one night when he was drinking beer at the computer he drunk-bought rain forest for all the money."
"He's also tried to get an appeal to be allowed to excise "kopimism", a satirical pirate religion which has copying and spreading of information as it's credo, and is planning to encourage people to send him money in the form of "enkronor" [smallest swedish coin, worth about 20 cents//gaberlunzie] to force paperwork for the institution ("I call it an analouge DDos-attack")."
I've always thought the TPB crew were right-wing nutters, and it seems I was at least 2/3 right, but oh my glob, Brokep is awesome.
Comrade Anklebiter |
Since Anklebiter is already way off-thread
I have decided to let this thread go its own way or perish.
Future daily Comrade Anklebiter posts about labor and/or international proletarian socialist revolution will appear here in the future.
Thank you for your past support, brothers, sisters and comrades, and, remember, though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red Flag flying here.
Vive le Galt!