on a lighter note I was thinking about the most ridiculous weapon to be doing huge damage with (in terms of spectacle)
favorites of mine include the Fighting Fan, Battle Ladder and Sling
If there is an Improvised Weapon Focus I would love to be a follower of Cayden who uses a Beer Stine as a weapon
any other suggestions?
If I wanted the most absurd weapon possible, I'd have to go with one of the following:
Iron Brush, Battle Poi, or a Barbazu Beard
I like the Barbazu Beard, very Crimson Chin
The torch id still my favorite. And I'll be building a warpriest with a torch as primary weapon some time. There is even a feat that, besides turning the torch into a weapon, allows you to reroll saves vs effects that would make the torch go out.
Got my Cayden Follower
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-a rchetypes/monk-of-the-empty-hand
Weapon focus: Light hammer
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Get this feat:
Equipment Trick (Combat)
Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You may use any equipment tricks relating to the item if you meet the appropriate trick requirements. If the item would normally be considered an improvised weapon, you may treat it as a normal weapon or an improvised weapon, whichever is more beneficial for you.
Special: You can gain Equipment Trick multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of equipment.
You can then take Weapon Focus with your improvised weapon.
Select your deity's holy symbol and fight with that!
The bonus is it's PFS legal!
You can also build some great NPCs!
It would also allow you to build some great NPCs!
Some other fun PFS legal items:
anvil
bellows
any musical instrument
umbrella
croquet set
polo, rounders or tennis gear
air bladder
bottle
caltrops, cold iron
cauldron
coffee or tea pot
coffin (bonus points if it is ornate)
bucket
swim fins and snorkel
ear trumpet
fangfile
firewood
folding pole
hip flask
holy text
inkpen
ladder
manacles
mug / tankard
periscope
pickle extractor
prosthetic limb
skillet
spyglass
Any masterwork tool!
You can also fight with food - chocolate (bar), haggis, fortune cookie etc.
I'm redoing a particular angry cleric/fighter from a particularly old AP as a warpriest (after having done her up as an antipaladin...), so while it's not as crazy as some of the ideas presented above, I'm very much looking forward to seeing the look on my players faces when they get into it with someone dual wielding d8 damage kukris...
Ladders, they save lives! and end them!
They said I was too short... until I climbed up and punched them in the face!
Ladder gnome, you so random (and lethal)
Get this feat:
Equipment Trick (Combat)
** spoiler omitted **
You can then take Weapon Focus with your improvised weapon.
Select your deity's holy symbol and fight with that!
The bonus is it's PFS legal!
You can also build some great NPCs!
It would also allow you to build some great NPCs!
Some other fun PFS legal items:** spoiler omitted **
You can also fight with food - chocolate (bar), haggis, fortune cookie etc.
Thanks. Now I guess I'll have to delay my torch wielding warpriest and build one using chopsticks instead. A warpriest of Daikitsu, the goddess of rice, of Corse.
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Get this feat:
Equipment Trick (Combat)
** spoiler omitted **
You can then take Weapon Focus with your improvised weapon.
Select your deity's holy symbol and fight with that!
The bonus is it's PFS legal!
You can also build some great NPCs!
It would also allow you to build some great NPCs!
Some other fun PFS legal items:** spoiler omitted **
You can also fight with food - chocolate (bar), haggis, fortune cookie etc.
Hmm............
1 level of Bard gets you Summon Instrument as a 0-level spell.....
Equipment Trick (Guitar).....
Weapon Focus (Guitar)......
As a side question: If you have a feat that allows you to treat an improvised weapon as normal weapon, is there a way to have that weapon enchanted?
Staying with my example above, if I learn the equipment trick feat to treat chopsticks as weapons, could I have them made as masterwork weapons and enchanted as magic weapons? Could I do it myself if I had the necessary feats/craft skills?
If so that would be neat. Add 1 rank of profession cook and the rough and ready trait and you get an additional +1 trait bonus to attack that stacks with your full bab, weapon focus and masterwork/enchantment bonus.
Only problem is that you can't combine equipment trick with your free weapon focus because at first level you don't have the +1 BAB required.
Medium or Larger?
Gnome-Chucks. take a a pair of gnomes, Fasten a length of tight fitting chain around their necks, and now you have the silliest weapon ever.
We can finally have that cleric of Cayden Cailean swinging a beer mug into peoples faces...
As a side question: If you have a feat that allows you to treat an improvised weapon as normal weapon, is there a way to have that weapon enchanted?
Probably not by the raw, but there's nothing wrong with it really. While any tool can be (masterwork), its a bit of equivocation to say that something can be a (masterworkweapon) as well as an improved one.
Only problem is that you can't combine equipment trick with your free weapon focus because at first level you don't have the +1 BAB required.
I believe the class granting you that feat circumvents the +1 bab requirement, or no warpriest would be able to get it without multiclassing
Medium or Larger?
Gnome-Chucks. take a a pair of gnomes, Fasten a length of tight fitting chain around their necks, and now you have the silliest weapon ever.
Not even close.
The Gnomipede is the three section staff version of the Gone-chucks.
And you don't want to know where the manacles go on that one. :)
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I just have one thing to say.
EELLLLLL KA-
Hmm............
1 level of Bard gets you Summon Instrument as a 0-level spell.....
Equipment Trick (Guitar).....
Weapon Focus (Guitar)......
YOU SON OF A HORSE.
Battle Ladder is clearly the most ridiculous sacred weapon. Why? Because it is a battle ladder. Maybe I should repeat that, Its a thing now.
I was not talking about the weapon focus' requirement. The equipment trick feat has BAB+1 requirement, too. And I guess you can't take weapon focus for an improvised weapon. Or can you?
So my thinking was that you need to have equipment trick to take weapon focus chopsticks. As you can't have equipment trick at level 1 you can't take the free weapon focus for the chopsticks.
Torches would not have that problem because the torch handling feats doesn't have any requirements.
Medium or Larger?
Gnome-Chucks. take a a pair of gnomes, Fasten a length of tight fitting chain around their necks, and now you have the silliest weapon ever.
Not even close.
The Gnomipede is the three section staff version of the Gone-chucks.
And you don't want to know where the manacles go on that one. :)
Personally I prefer the Gnome-on-a-Stick.
The weapon you get, when you throw a tanglefoot bag or other adhesive on a gnome running around with his battle ladder.
The Gnome-on-a-Stick works well as a weapon for grappling, or as a snack when you are in a hurry.
I was not talking about the weapon focus' requirement. The equipment trick feat has BAB+1 requirement, too. And I guess you can't take weapon focus for an improvised weapon. Or can you?
So my thinking was that you need to have equipment trick to take weapon focus chopsticks. As you can't have equipment trick at level 1 you can't take the free weapon focus for the chopsticks.
Torches would not have that problem because the torch handling feats doesn't have any requirements.
So what's wrong with Catch Off-Guard and/or Improvised Weapon Mastery?
Basically Proficiency in one, Improved Critical in another.
Bonus points, nothing prevents you from taking Weapon Focus with an Improvised Weapon if you have Catch Off-Guard, and Improvised Weapon Mastery doesn't have the usual text of "This doesn't stack with other things that increase threat range" so for the price of some Feats and the Warpriest class you can have a 1d10, 17-20/x2 pair of chopsticks, dental floss, beer stein, table leg, whatever your heart desires.
As catch off-guard doesn't state that you treat it as a non-improvised weapon I would have guessed that you could not take weapon feats. If it is enough then so would be rough and ready.
But another idea: If you use a flag as your sacred weapon you can combine it with the flagbearer feat without wasting a "free hand". That way you could combine a flag in one hand and a shield in the other.
As catch off-guard doesn't state that you treat it as a non-improvised weapon I would have guessed that you could not take weapon feats.
Technically, neither does Martial Weapon Proficiency. They use much the same wording:
Choose a type of martial weapon. You understand how to use that type of martial weapon in combat.
Benefit: You make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty).
Normal: When using a weapon with which you are not proficient, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls.
Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties for using an improvised melee weapon. Unarmed opponents are flat-footed against any attacks you make with an improvised melee weapon.
Normal: You take a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with an improvised weapon.
Neither says you gain proficiency. Both say you lose the penalties for not being proficient. I think if it's not dead on, it's close enough for government work.
As a side question: If you have a feat that allows you to treat an improvised weapon as normal weapon, is there a way to have that weapon enchanted?
Staying with my example above, if I learn the equipment trick feat to treat chopsticks as weapons, could I have them made as masterwork weapons and enchanted as magic weapons? Could I do it myself if I had the necessary feats/craft skills?
If so that would be neat. Add 1 rank of profession cook and the rough and ready trait and you get an additional +1 trait bonus to attack that stacks with your full bab, weapon focus and masterwork/enchantment bonus.
Only problem is that you can't combine equipment trick with your free weapon focus because at first level you don't have the +1 BAB required.
If nothing else, you can use your sacred weapon to enchant it for a few rounds per day.
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I just have one thing to say.
EELLLLLL KA-
YOU SON OF A HORSE.
Hmm............
1 level of Bard gets you Summon Instrument as a 0-level spell.....
Equipment Trick (Guitar).....
Weapon Focus (Guitar)......
Moi?!
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Ridiculous? How about ridiculous damage? There's nothing stopping you from taking weapon focus Shield, using a heavy steel shield (or the like) with the Bashing ability. This increases the damage by an additional two steps. The question becomes, does the damage increase from the sacred weapon bonus come before or after the enchantment in the calculations of replacement. According to the updated Revised Advanced Class Guide Playtest:
"This(sacred weapon) increase in damage does not affect any
other aspect of the weapon. The warpriest can decide
to use the weapon’s base damage instead of the sacred
weapon damage..."
This leads me to strongly believe that base damage is the only thing that is replaced, therefore, it is entirely (according to the pdf's rules) legal to have a level 20 warpriest(2d8), with a heavy shield with the bashing enchantment(4d8), under the effects of enlarge person spell(6d8) breaks the weapon damage-size more easily, more inside the rules (if you're considering the playtest) and with less complexity than other classes designed to do so. It is my strong belief that this increase to damage from the warpriest should explicitly come AFTER enchantments are calculated for weapon size, on the weapon, and potentially the wielder. (i.e. enlarge person might not stack)
