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I am curious as to how the Shard of Lust works in society play. I'm particularly curious about its penalty which states that if you haven't had sexual relations with another creature in the past 12 hours you are sickened. Is this just for the home game or am I expected to have my character mid-game commit sexual acts with other creatures?

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Unless I'm mistaken, Shard of Lust is not a legal obtainable item in PFS. Only Shard of Greed and Shard of Pride.

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It's legal, and unfortunately, it seems you have to commit the sexual acts. One possibility is to quickly apply another chronicle with other shards on it and then never pick the Lust Shard. At least it isn't the Pride Shard where you literally cannot avoid always taking the penalties, which more than cancel out the bonuses.

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When this came up in my table with a PC with Celestial Obedience to Arshea, my solution involved a herald or other vanity NPC.

-Matt

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One of those "Make sure every player is comfortable with this before I do it" kind of things...

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Mattastrophic wrote:

When this came up in my table with a PC with Celestial Obedience to Arshea, my solution involved a herald or other vanity NPC.

-Matt

Awesome answer. This is my sex sla... errr herald

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I'm sure most GM's will be willing to handwave this away, probably with a desperate goat or something.

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Fortunately, the vanity NPC provides a handwave-avenue right there.

-Matt

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except they are not sup posed to provide any mechanical benefit beyond what is written.

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Mattastrophic wrote:

When this came up in my table with a PC with Celestial Obedience to Arshea, my solution involved a herald or other vanity NPC.

-Matt

Arshea you can do with yourself. The Shard is the only one that requires you to find another NPC (and as I mentioned when talking to you about this before, I'm with Sitri that due to their strange invulnerability to all effects other than what is stated in their write-up, we can't use Vanity NPCs for anything other than their stated use. I suppose a summoner with a very humanlike eidolon could manage though.

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This is true, Arshean obedience is even easier to handwave than the shard.

-Matt

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My bloatmage has the Shard of Lust. I went the NPC vanity route as well. Honestly, I think any GM requiring me to find another NPC or PC outside my porter is just asking for trouble. I think a vanity NPC is the most elegant and easy solution.

Porter + rope trick = PROFIT!

Sitri and Mark, if porter is "not acceptable", what is your suggestion when I sit down at a table with a 10 yr old?

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Mattastrophic wrote:
This is true, Arshean obedience is even easier to handwave than the shard.

Teehee!

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Carlos Robledo wrote:

My bloatmage has the Shard of Lust. I went the NPC vanity route as well. Honestly, I think any GM requiring me to find another NPC or PC outside my porter is just asking for trouble. I think a vanity NPC is the most elegant and easy solution.

Porter + rope trick = PROFIT!

Sitri and Mark, if porter is "not acceptable", what is your suggestion when I sit down at a table with a 10 yr old?

I'm in the same boat. I have a character who was blindsided by getting this shard when I thought I would be able to put an ioun stone inside of it and remove the curse. I came onto the boards with the same question as you (about 10 year olds, or honestly just even anyone who wouldn't want that kind of character at their table regardless of age), and it seems like there is no good solution. I was told that the curse was intentional and that 8000 gp for an ioun stone that is either not very useful (if you don't care about Cha) or is unupgradable (if you do), was not considered enough to balance it (my guess is because Int ioun stone in the Pride shard would be super useful for a non-Int-based character because it's a great ioun stone to have, so essentially to kill the Pride shard). If that's the case, obviously we can't just spend a tiny amount of PP and make it go away either. When I pointed out that wizards or monks who aren't wearing a heavy body slot item can get the shard's power at no cost if they exploit their way past the RP requirement and otherwise will probably be an extremely creepy character at most tables, everyone agreed that there was no hope (people told me to get another chronicle and pick up a different shard--your Bloatmage would probably be able to use Gluttony pretty easily?).

Obviously, we can be assumed to have performed the shard's requirement before the scenario (presumably just before the scenario), and we can say that was with whomever we want, including a porter or Zarta Dralneen or what have you. But in the course of the ongoing adventure while out in the field, just like if an avalanche happens the porter is immune and never dies, so too can the porter not provide additional mechanical benefits beyond carrying stuff. Right now, I'm mostly just hoping to get scenarios done in the first 12 hours. If not, she'll probably have to work something out with her familiar?

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Mark Seifter wrote:
If not, she'll probably have to work something out with her familiar?

Lyrakien Azata, so I guess it's.... possible?

Although both my PC and the familiar are female so even more fuel for the 10 y.o. fire?

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
If not, she'll probably have to work something out with her familiar?

Lyrakien Azata, so I guess it's.... possible?

Although both my PC and the familiar are female so even more fuel for the 10 y.o. fire?

Oh wow, my female wizard PC also has a lyrakien azata and the shard of lust. If you're Taldor faction, then we must be twins. Anyway, my plan is to now only play her with GMs who I know with whom I've worked this out ahead of time (or with whom I can quickly work it out before the slot) and then never mention it at the table ever. Fortunately, she is now level 10, and I also have my oracle of lore I can just play at the exact same level. Since Linda is usually my GM, though, with Cordy, it hasn't yet been an issue.

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Pathfinder Adventure Path #61: "Shards of Sin"
Equipment: burglar's boots, cytillesh extract, frostspore, paradox box, pendant of the souk, and second-story harness are legal for play.

EDIT: Nevermind, I am assuming this is on the chronicle for playing it.

Also, listening to this thread, it sounds like these things do more than listed on pathfinderwiki?

Carlos Robledo wrote:

My bloatmage has the Shard of Lust. I went the NPC vanity route as well. Honestly, I think any GM requiring me to find another NPC or PC outside my porter is just asking for trouble. I think a vanity NPC is the most elegant and easy solution.

Porter + rope trick = PROFIT!

Sitri and Mark, if porter is "not acceptable", what is your suggestion when I sit down at a table with a 10 yr old?

My solution? I can't imagine a lot of GMs wanting to play up this interaction. If someone at my table had this item and said they wanted to "find a partner for their shard" or "have player X help them with their shard" and the time and place were were appropriate for it, that would be enough for me to tell them that they were successful.

Either that or accept that you get sick.

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It is on the Chronicle sheet, and thus legal.

Our group handled it via our PC who used it simply stating that he "took care of business" in town before the adventure began. If we ended up spending a long time in a dungeon though, we got to have the hilarious conversation of him begging my wizard to summon him an Erinyes or Lilend again. That was a fairly comical scene.

I think vanity NPCs or perhaps asking for an appropriate social roll before leaving town are acceptable ways to handle it without getting too graphic.

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Sitri wrote:
Either that or accept that you get sick.

Or, you know, I don't. I have provided what I believe to be a pretty reasonable solution, even using in-game resources (PP and a spell/day) on a legally obtained and sanctioned item.

Can I just cast unseen servant then?

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This is quickly becoming the most disturbing and hilarious thread on these forums. And I love it.

**** Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

Regardless of characters running around with a Shard of Lust, my oppinion is that any graphic descriptions of sexual activities should be kept from the RP table. Of course characters are allowed to engage in sexual activities, but there's no need for the player to go into detail. A simple "my character is engaging in sexual activities with NPC X (or another PC if both players are ok with it)" is enough.
We're playing Pathfinder here, not Erotic D20. (Yes, there actually was such a game. I took a quick look when I saw it lying around at the game store a few years ago, and it was quite hilarious, like feats that let you deal Con damage by having sex.)

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
Sitri wrote:
Either that or accept that you get sick.

Or, you know, I don't. I have provided what I believe to be a pretty reasonable solution, even using in-game resources (PP and a spell/day) on a legally obtained and sanctioned item.

Can I just cast unseen servant then?

Well you did ask what I would do. I generally don't care too much about sickness, I wouldn't want to have it, but most of the time I am afflicted I can't say it bothers me much. Then again, I don't play characters that regularly make attack rolls or use weapons.

I think the summoning thing would also work, but the in game resources you spent on a porter are spent to have someone carry things for you, not prostitution :) Seriously, how many people would never work another day in their lives if you could buy one of these after a couple days on the job?

I also can't strap a saddle on my cat familiar just because I invested resources in Eldritch Heritage: Arcane.


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Sitri wrote:
I also can't strap a saddle on my cat familiar just because I invested resources in Eldritch Heritage: Arcane.

Why not? It has the slots for it doesn't it? I mean, obviously you have to buy the saddle, but you could totally do that! Riding it might be hard, seeing as how the cat is a lot smaller than you...

And my gosh I read that wrong the first time. This thread scares me...

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Roll diplomacy to find a brothel.
Spend 10 gold pieces.
Make a Fortitude and Reflex saving throw for endurance and skill.
Make a second Fortitude save for filth fever.
Depending on the various success results, look across the table at someone of the opposite sex and wink:)

Scarab Sages ****

Darlin' if Ah was on adventure with you, the only problem would the 12 hour restriction... An mean, only once every 12 hours? Or did you mean "relations FOR 12 hour"? In that case, my reply would be "usually this costs extra...".

I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

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Katisha wrote:
I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

If you don't mind the (super minor) spoilers, Archives of Nethys has the item description. The only change for PFS is you have to pick one of the three benefits instead of getting all three.

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
Katisha wrote:
I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!
If you don't mind the (super minor) spoilers, Archives of Nethys has the item description. The only change for PFS is you have to pick one of the three benefits instead of getting all three.

wow... I just checked this out. It reminds me of something from a home game I played long ago. About the nature of curses. Here's some background...

Home game - DM says, "the magic item your PC just put on is cursed, but it is a minor curse."
Player: "Arg! What's the bad news?"
DM says, "It makes your eyes glow red in the dark, and dogs and small children of all races are afread of you."
Player: "Ok, got that. But what's the curse? what's the bad part?"
DM says, "It makes your eyes glow red in the dark, and dogs and small children of all races are afread of you."
Player: "But, what's the curse?"
DM: "that's the curse"
Player: "Huh?"

The player thought having his PCs eyes glow in the dark was Kewl. And the fact that dogs and small children were afread of him was just better. The DM figured it to be a curse. Different outlooks on the PC...

In the example above the Player thought the curse was Cool. The DM thought it was ... well, a curse.

I'm looking at the Shard for my Harlot PC - the one that comments that Drengle calling the PCs to a meeting after midnight cuts into her "Night Job rolls"... and the "drawbacks" would be why I would want it!

It does say: While the owner wears any sort of armor or magic item that occupies the body slot, he is staggered. which might be a problem. Katisha has Mistmail armor... mainly so she can get out of it with a command word. So this would result in her being staggered if the armor wasing "misty".


Body slot isn't armor, so no worries.

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MrSin wrote:
Body slot isn't armor, so no worries.

YEAH! thanks MrSin!

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Yes, but the shard says any sort of armor OR magic item that occupies that body slot, so you still can't wear mistmail in the non-mist form for certain, and I think there's very good evidence that mistmail in the mist form would count as "any sort of armor". I would count it as such at my table.


Katisha wrote:
MrSin wrote:
Body slot isn't armor, so no worries.
YEAH! thanks MrSin!

All good, I've met a lot of people who've gotten their slots mixed up and think you can't wear pants with mistmail.

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Mark Seifter wrote:
Yes, but the shard says any sort of armor OR magic item that occupies that body slot, so you still can't wear mistmail in the non-mist form for certain, and I think there's very good evidence that mistmail in the mist form would count as "any sort of armor". I would count it as such at my table.

actually, the full line says....

While the owner wears any sort of armor or magic item that occupies the body slot,...
so I would think that it would be something occupying the body slot rather than just any sort of armor. But I'm sure different judges would rule it differently (YMMV). I would likely be surprised if someone told me that Bracers of Armor, or a Mage Armor spell would be a problem, but heck, one never knows. I have encountered some strange ruleings before (Heck, I've made a few in my time too!).

All is good. The biggest reason I'd be using it is for what other people would figure was one of the "bad effects".

(edit: darn it, I keep forgetting to post as my PC...)

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I had a haramaki before the shard, and decided to sell it back instead of dealing with it. Mage Armor is definitely not armor though, or bracers of armor either.

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
I had a haramaki before the shard, and decided to sell it back instead of dealing with it. Mage Armor is definitely not armor though, or bracers of armor either.

both would give an "Armor bonus" - which I could see some judges ruling as "While the owner wears any sort of armor ...". Not me by any means, but some one I'm sure would.

I did have this issue pop up when I asked on the boards originally about Mistmail in mist form, and then casting a Mage Armor spell. A couple posters responded that the spell would count as wearing armor...

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Worshipping Arshea would do a great could do a great double dip in bonuses. Lymnieris, on the other hand, would put you in a pickle...

Grand Lodge **** Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

Katisha wrote:

Darlin' if Ah was on adventure with you, the only problem would the 12 hour restriction... An mean, only once every 12 hours? Or did you mean "relations FOR 12 hour"? In that case, my reply would be "usually this costs extra...".

I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

Unfortunately, despite her desires, I don't think she can qualify to gain this Shard, since the chronicle it is on is for Tier 6-8, and Katisha appears to be a bit too high level for that....

**** Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

Katisha wrote:

While the owner wears any sort of armor or magic item that occupies the body slot,...

so I would think that it would be something occupying the body slot rather than just any sort of armor. But I'm sure different judges would rule it differently

I'd read it this way:

While the owner wears (any sort of armor) or (magic item that occupies the body slot)
and not
While the owner wears (any sort of armor or magic item) that occupies the body slot
(if you're wondering what I mean by this, look at the brackets as if they appeared in a mathematical formula ;) )

Katisha wrote:
Carlos Robledo wrote:
I had a haramaki before the shard, and decided to sell it back instead of dealing with it. Mage Armor is definitely not armor though, or bracers of armor either.

both would give an "Armor bonus" - which I could see some judges ruling as "While the owner wears any sort of armor ...". Not me by any means, but some one I'm sure would.

I did have this issue pop up when I asked on the boards originally about Mistmail in mist form, and then casting a Mage Armor spell. A couple posters responded that the spell would count as wearing armor...

Mage Armor is a spell, not a suit of armor. There wouldn't be all those monks running around with a Wand of Mage Armor if being affected by that spell counted as wearing armor.

Bracers of Armor are a magic item that covers the wrist slot, not a suit of armor.

All those bonuses being armor bonuses simply means they don't stack with each other. You only wear armor if you wear a piece of equipment that's actually listed as armor.

From reading the entry for Mistmail, I'd definitely say you're not wearing any armor while it is in mist form.

Advanced Players Guide wrote:
On command once per day, the wearer can transform it into thick fog that fills his space and provides concealment (20% miss chance).

The armor is transformed into mist. In that form, it doesn't provide any armor bonus, so I don't see any reason to think you're wearing armor at that point.

Advanced Players Guide wrote:
If the character tries to don another suit of armor while the mistmail is in fog form, it reforms at the character's feet.

Again, casting Mage Armor is not the same as donning a suit of armor. You're not considered to be donning a suit of armor whenever you gain an armor bonus, only when you're actually donning a piece of equipment that's listed as armor.

So with Mage Armor, you'd be able to have both an armor bonus and concealment from the mist, but when the Mistmail reforms, the bonuses from the Mistmail and from Mage Armor won't stack.

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kinevon wrote:
Katisha wrote:

Darlin' if Ah was on adventure with you, the only problem would the 12 hour restriction... An mean, only once every 12 hours? Or did you mean "relations FOR 12 hour"? In that case, my reply would be "usually this costs extra...".

I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

Unfortunately, despite her desires, I don't think she can qualify to gain this Shard, since the chronicle it is on is for Tier 6-8, and Katisha appears to be a bit too high level for that....

(stomps foot - which can be an interesting sight) "oh shot! I never get the nice things!" (pout!)

anyone know a way to get access to this with a 10th level PC?

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

kinevon wrote:
Katisha wrote:

Darlin' if Ah was on adventure with you, the only problem would the 12 hour restriction... An mean, only once every 12 hours? Or did you mean "relations FOR 12 hour"? In that case, my reply would be "usually this costs extra...".

I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

Unfortunately, despite her desires, I don't think she can qualify to gain this Shard, since the chronicle it is on is for Tier 6-8, and Katisha appears to be a bit too high level for that....

tier 6-8?

**** Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

FLite wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Katisha wrote:

Darlin' if Ah was on adventure with you, the only problem would the 12 hour restriction... An mean, only once every 12 hours? Or did you mean "relations FOR 12 hour"? In that case, my reply would be "usually this costs extra...".

I have no idea what the Shard of Lust does, but just with the name, my Katisha PC has to get one. After all, she got Dance of Kindled Desires just for the name!

Unfortunately, despite her desires, I don't think she can qualify to gain this Shard, since the chronicle it is on is for Tier 6-8, and Katisha appears to be a bit too high level for that....
tier 6-8?

Yes. It's Shattered Star, part 2: Curse of the Lady's Light.

Like sanctioned modules, the sanctioned Adventure Paths don't use the same tiers as PFS scenarios do. Rather, it's a range of 1 level up and down from the level the sanctioned content is intended for (In this case, it's intended for 7th level characters, so in PFS it's tier 6-8).

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

Ah. That was what I was missing.

Scarab Sages ****

wait, would this be an item that a PC could buy? (if they had the Fame and I own a copy of the source?)

Scarab Sages **

No, it is a unique item given to players, sort of like a boon. Can not be purchased.

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drat.... let me go revise my Christmas list again. (pout)

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento aka FLite

And by "given" he means "Inflicted upon" :)

Scarab Sages **

...Sure!

And if you want, grab a Demon Mother's Mask to find that special someone.

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