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As far as the Module line goes, the product after Tears at Bitter Manor will be the Emerald Spire Superdungeon. (Because that one is extra huge, there won't be a Module in the March slot.)
Perhaps I'm misremembering but I seem to recall at the time it being said that the superdungeon was an entirly seperate thing and wouldent be infinging on any of the other product lines (Dosent bother me but I can people who dont want a superdungeon and already think the module line is the product whipping boy being annoyed about this.)
On a side note when will the emerald spire be coming out roughly June/July or is that when the kickstarter backers get it? (Or do the backers get it before that?)
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As far as the Module line goes, the product after Tears at Bitter Manor will be the Emerald Spire Superdungeon. (Because that one is extra huge, there won't be a Module in the March slot.)Perhaps I'm misremembering but I seem to recall at the time it being said that the superdungeon was an entirly seperate thing and wouldent be infinging on any of the other product lines (Dosent bother me but I can people who dont want a superdungeon and already think the module line is the product whipping boy being annoyed about this.)
I don't recall anyone saying that... We had always intended it to take a slot in the Modules line, as there's realistically no other way we could have scheduled the effort for it.
On a side note when will the emerald spire be coming out roughly June/July or is that when the kickstarter backers get it? (Or do the backers get it before that?)
It should release in June. Backers will get it on the regular schedule.
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I don't recall anyone saying that... We had always intended it to take a slot in the Modules line, as there's realistically no other way we could have scheduled the effort for it.
Hold on... I thought there was a bunch of discussion during the second kickstarter about how supporting the kickstarter was the only way to get the superdungeon. Unlike Thornkeep, it wasn't going to be offered as a separate product. Am I misremembering?
And if I am misremembering, does this mean module subscribers are going to get a print edition and PDF like normal? If that's the case, I feel like I wasted money on the kickstarter. The superdungeon was literally the only reason I supported PFO, and that was only because I thought I wouldnt be able to get it any other way.
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I don't recall anyone saying that... We had always intended it to take a slot in the Modules line, as there's realistically no other way we could have scheduled the effort for it.Hold on... I thought there was a bunch of discussion during the second kickstarter about how supporting the kickstarter was the only way to get the superdungeon. Unlike Thornkeep, it wasn't going to be offered as a separate product. Am I misremembering?
And if I am misremembering, does this mean module subscribers are going to get a print edition and PDF like normal? If that's the case, I feel like I wasted money on the kickstarter. The superdungeon was literally the only reason I supported PFO, and that was only because I thought I wouldnt be able to get it any other way.
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Perhaps you're misremembering (or perhaps I am). My take on it was that supporting the kickstarter was the only way to be sure to get it for two reasons: first, the kickstarter backers would get priority, so there'd be no danger it would sell out before you got your copy and more significantly, if the kickstarter didnt fund, the superdungeon wouldnt be made at all.
.I dont remember them saying it would be exclusive to the kickstarter backers. In fact, I'm pretty sure there was an explicit statement from paizo that the emerald spire would likely be made available to non backers - but they were keen to make clear that without the kickstarter succeeding, it likely wouldnt happen.
Perhaps you're misremembering (or perhaps I am). My take on it was that supporting the kickstarter was the only way to be sure to get it for two reasons: first, the kickstarter backers would get priority, so there'd be no danger it would sell out before you got your copy and more significantly, if the kickstarter didnt fund, the superdungeon wouldnt be made at all.
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I dont remember them saying it would be exclusive to the kickstarter backers. In fact, I'm pretty sure there was an explicit statement from paizo that the emerald spire would likely be made available to non backers - but they were keen to make clear that without the kickstarter succeeding, it likely wouldnt happen.
My emphasis.
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Actually, it was an exclusive WAR illustrated cover. Lisa pretty much spelled it out last December.
What's the price point for the ES when it is made available for sale, Vic?
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I know it has been long enough for folks to forget details—I know I'd forgotten some of them!—but we were very clear from day 1 of the Emerald Spire's announcement that Kickstarter backers would be getting "an exclusive cover available only to Kickstarter backers", which obviously means that a non-Kickstarter cover would be available. We didn't specifically talk about the non-Kickstarter edition *on* Kickstarter (since that would be off-topic), but we certainly told anyone who asked that the non-exclusive version would be available at retail and at paizo.com. See here and here for just a couple of the places we said that.)
Also, the Emerald Spire won't automatically be part of the Modules subscription (because it's going to be more expensive than usual, and because many subscribers already have a copy coming by way of the Kickstarter), but if you preorder it and you have an active Modules subscription when it ships, you'll get the PDF for free as though it were a subscription item.
We should be announcing the price point within a month, but I will say that if you went for the RPG Print Pack Add-On as part of the Kickstarter, you got a *phenomenal* deal.
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:( I pledged to get the pdf on the Kickstarter and I plan to preorder the Super Dungeon. Looks like I am out $15.
Same here. I think you skip the preorder and just buy the hardcopy when it's released. As a Modules subscriber, the only benefit to preordering is getting the PDF and you're already getting a PDF with your Kickstarter pledge. You should be fine unless there's some other benefit to preordering that I'm not aware of yet (like if the preorder price is lower or something).
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I think Tears at Bitter Manor is very much part of the quarterly module release schedule... As far as I am aware RPG Superstar penned modules have always been part of the normal subscription... Having said that, I don't think it is so unreasonable to have some visibility of what is forthcoming in the Modules line... Seems a very long time ago that we had an update for what was 'coming soon'
Yeah, I get that... Is probably more that, when modules went quarterly, there was a time when three modules were down as future releases...now, once 'Bitter Manor' is released, there will be nothing concrete beyond the Emerald Spire...which is hardly a standard release!!! Having said that...Emerald Spire is liable to keep us very busy for a long time...
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If you look at our other product lines, you'll see that we haven't officially solicited anything past July. Emerald Spire is releasing in June, so the next quarterly release thereafter is not likely to be announced until we post the September releases.So Q1 module is always the superstar winner?
then other modules for Q2,Q3 and Q4?
I wouldn't say the Superstar module is always in Q1, but given the amount of time needed for us to slot a product that we can't start working on until March into the schedule does necessitate it being several months later at the earliest. Tears slipped a bit from its initial release date due to other factors.
This year, one of the quarterly slots was consumed by the more-than-double-sized Emerald Spire, which we would have been unable to produce in addition to the existing time allotted for a quarterly product. Tears should have been Q4 and then we would have had no module in Q1 while we worked on Emerald Spire for Q2. The final outcome is that we had no Q4 module in 2013 but will have a Q1 and Q2 this year.