Page of Spell Knowledge and crafting

[peterrco]

If my sorcerer owns a Page of Spell Knowledge, does this count as a "known" spell when crafting a spell trigger activation item such as a wand or staff?

[Robert A Matthews]

Yes. A page of spell knowledge gives you the ability to cast the spell so you can fulfill the criteria of casting the spell each day that you are crafting it.

[Lifat]

I concur with Robert on this one. Of course I have been wrong before, so someone smarter might come around and completely disprove this :D

[peterrco]

It does feel like a bit of a cheat though.

If a sorcerer has craft wondrous item, then they can make their own Page of Spell Knowledge with a +5 DC because they don't have the spell, then make the wand using it, bypassing the usual restrictions on spontaneous spellcasters and wands, and then just sell the Page of Spell Knowledge so that they wouldn't have to worry about going over the wealth guidelines for crafter's.

It basically means that a spontaneous spell caster just has to add to the length of time it takes to make a spell item, because they would get the cost of making the page back on sale.

[Robert A Matthews]

It's no different than just paying someone else to cast the spell for you to craft the wand (which you can totally do using the price for spellcasting services). Pay a Wizard 10GP to cast Mage Armor for you to make yourself a wand of Mage Armor

[Cevah]

Add the Hedge Magician trait, and make a profit on the PoSK.

If you pay someone to cast the spell, then you actually loose money.

In 3.5, the Warlock could do this, IIRC.

/cevah

[peterrco]

Robert A Matthews wrote:

It's no different than just paying someone else to cast the spell for you to craft the wand (which you can totally do using the price for spellcasting services). Pay a Wizard 10GP to cast Mage Armor for you to make yourself a wand of Mage Armor

Whilst you can certainly do this if you are crafting a permanent item such as a weapon or amulet, RAW seems pretty clear that you can't do this if you are crafting a wand or similar item...

"The creator must have prepared the spell to be stored (or must know the spell in the case of a sorcerer or bard)"

Whilst the section on cooperative crafting also states that this sort of item is an exception to the rule that you can get the spell from another source.

"In addition you cannot create spell trigger and spell completion magic without meeting their spell pre-requisites"

Which brings back the original question, If I have a Page of Spell Knowledge, do I "Know" the spell well enough to craft wands with it?

[Diego Rossi]

Sigh.
It ha s been replied a few hundred times.
Yes, another guy can help you build a item like a wand or scroll if he know the spell and you have the feat. You need to have it there while casting for the whole 8 hours, not for a single round, so paying him 10 gp wouldn't work, spellcasting services pay for the spellcaster for a single casting of the spell, not for 8 hours of work.

Now the obligatory Dev quote:

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Oliver McShade and the Core Ruleook wrote:

"It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary."

A wizard and a cleric cooperating to craft a scroll of cure light wounds are, between the two of them, meeting all of the prerequisites for the item's creation. Thus, the "you cannot create this if you don't meet all the prerequisites" rule on page 549 does not apply, because "you" in the case of cooperative crafting is "the people involved in crafting the item."

It is here.

Edit:
Just to make it clear, it is not "Sigh, how you dare asking this again", it is "Sigh, this discussion has been made so many times that is not a FAQ, it is a VFAQ (Very Frequently Asked Question)".
It would really befit from a rewording of the rule text.