So guys, since Redemption plays a large part in this campaign..
Share your redemption stories! Which bad guys have your players (or you, if you're a player but don't mind spoilers, thus your presence in my thread), have helped along the path of redemption?
Me.. I'm running a single-player game with 4 randomized PCs.. and they're working to help Chaleb Sazomal along that path. After capturing him, they took the time to turn him from his ways - currently, he's Indifferent to the party. I figured asking him to repent would be considered "Give Aid that could result in Punishment".. and even though that would make the DC 30..
My halfling Bard succeeded on the check with the help of a few assists. Little bugger can really talk to people! So, now we have Chaleb following us around, helping us out and trying to repent.. time will tell if he succeeds or dies in the process - or turns back to evil, which might be likely due to his personality.
I redeemed a grilled cheese sandwich. People told me that it just wasn't worth eating, but I felt with a little bit of bacon and using actual butter on the bread would fully redeem it. And I was right. ;)
So far the party Paladin has redeemed(or started redeeming)
Millorn, six looters, Jestak, Joran Vhane and the Grunhold-Wintersons
My group decided suddenly that of all things a gargoyle deserved another chance. So after they tied him up, threw some logic at him followed by Samael the Summoner nailing a 40 Diplomacy check at him, Garland is now on his way toward the light.
One of them will probably take him as a cohort later heh.
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Last night they managed to redeem Milorn, partly from the Oracle/Sorcerer healing him to full and giving him back all his stuff that the party looted from him. They're also using him to help carry the cultist bodies found outside Neathholm since the oracle wants to take them back and give them proper burial rights despite worshipping Baphomet.
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Hmmm. It took a bit, but they are redeeming people now. Only a small start and one is an inquisitor of Sarenrae, redemption inquisition.
They have a random tiefling looter who is now in a relationship with the inquisitor. Cereberus was only neutral so not too hard to work over.
The sorcerer decided she had to have Faxon(She thinks he looks sorta like Darth Maul) and is redeeming him. SHe is making progress. I just have to decide on his penances.
They have decided to redeem Nurah, but are not trusting her fully while she pings as Evil.
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So far our party has redeemed Nurah after finding out she double crossed us and the party cleric sorta redeemed a looting Tiefling, from CE to LE. Everyone else so far has come down with a nasty case of death.
I really wanted to redeem a derpy briomark we found, but the party cavalier put a lance through his face right when I convinced him to surrender.
I don't think we're gonna get a lot of redeemed characters with this group.
Man, those were fun to GM.
"The PCs wave at the demons"
"The brimorak waves back absentmindedly"
"LANCE TO THE FACE"
Well, Chaleb ended up being the only one redeemed in Part 1 - he's now officially the Cohort of the Mythic Bard. He's CN, and working his way up to CG - the same alignment as the Bard. He is now wielding both the +1 Blinding Heavy Steel Shield and the +1 Adamantine Morningstar, as none of the group really had much use for either, and would have otherwise simply sold them off.
With the beginning of Part 2, he will be getting himself a new Mount and training the Samurai's mount, who never got around to having one.
Go Chaleb! :3
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I started last week...of all things, my oracle of nature decided that the cave viper near the beginning looked abnormally intelligent, bandaged it, and hid it behind a rock to let it recover.
Last night my Tiefling Inquisitor converted another PC from worship of Iomedea to Asmodeus. Does that count as redemption?
That's just learning your place. :P
I started last week...of all things, my oracle of nature decided that the cave viper near the beginning looked abnormally intelligent, bandaged it, and hid it behind a rock to let it recover.
That.. is actually pretty cool. With Deskari corrupting so many animals in the region, it would be interesting to see a druid try and heal nature!
This is a good example of that.
The Tengu druid in my campaign is now trying to redeem the Mandragora from the safehouse... So far he's kept it unconscious so it won't attack the rest of the party.
My players have started to try to redeem someone, but not anyone from this storyline...I threw something together since there is no module for Nov. and I put in a female drow swashbuckler/duelist kinda fighter as an opponent.
I used the cover from Dungeon # 119 as a prop...I have never seen such cooperation in redeeming a Neutral Evil enemy lieutenant before...as it was going on winter and the female dwarf were bear that they had hired to guard their cartographer was "hibernating" [read as player went on graveyards and no one would run his character]...guess who now has a job keeping the party mapper alive?
Even the Paladin tried to hit on her...Only the jester [their thief decided that all the crusading paladins made her nervous so she reinvented herself as "Djinngles The Jester"] has made no attempt to score with the drow lady.
To date , I have no idea why they decided that their cartographer, an elven fighter mage [who trained as a Raumathari Battle Mage and has been kicking demonic behinds lately] needs a bodyguard at all.
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My guys just had their second session last night - the paladin has so far attempted to redeem the Huecuva from the defiled shrine, but was disinclined to continue after it tried to claw his face off.
Also, after subduing Millorn in his cave, the paladin managed to turn him from Hostile to Unfriendly with successful Diplomacy and agreed to let him go with all of his possessions except for the potion of cure light wounds which was used to recover the hit points from being hit by the magic missile that Millorn had sent flying his way. The party's illusionist wizard was very upset to be leaving behind the spellbook and the scrolls, while the tiefling rogue pilfered a single platinum piece for the group as he left.
I'm thinking that Millorn will be tailing the PCs to try and foil their plans as he makes his way back to his mistress Hosilla and the mongrelmen, but also somewhat curious as to why these agents of the Crusade Above didn't simply arrest him or kill him when they had their chance, and will be ripe for redemption if the PCs catch him and don't try to kill him outright next time they meet.
Our party caught Nurah in the act before she could actually do anything, And after scoring a Natural 20 on Diplomacy, my character (a talkative and somewhat lecherous Magus) was able to redeem her a little. I don't know how my DM plans to play it, but since she's currently still Chaotic Evil (but repentant), I'm gonna keep at it.
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My group has redeemed or is in the process of redeeming many characters.
Wendaug the Mongrelman from Book 1.
Chaleb the crusader looter from book 1.
The "Lost" Crusaders who were going to sacrifice a girl from book 1.
Nurah from Book 2.
Jestak from Book 2.
Joran Vayne from book 2.
A half-fiend Minotaur from the fight with Staunton (He kept failing his save Vs murderous command until he was the only one left at which point he claimed he had always been on the PCs side. His name is Arak, we generated it after the fight was over.)
Jesker the possessed priest from Book 3.
And they have recently captured Marhevok and Beverach his pet drake, the Drake is willing after a few weeks of teaching it the concepts of right and wrong, Marhevok is still sitting in Drezen's prison.
Threw in some goblins as comic relief...my gamers captured two war chanters and are trying to redeem them.
Players are both bards...each got one war chanter...
Player one taught his...disco..."It's fun to stay at the...".
Player two resorted to heavy metal..."BANG YER HED!!!"
My game may never be the same...
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Redemption is a rather long process in my campaign, and just rolling the dice won't help you that much, they need to actually roleplay it and surprise me. Luckily enough, my players do just that - especially the female Holy Gun/Evangelist/Gunslinger of Sarenreae (she is the army general as well) and the former follower of Baphomet Wizard.
Millorn is well on his way to be redeemed. I played him just about as disgustingly as I could when they encountered him. I found the information on him to be lacking, to put it mildly, so I really wanted them to kill him. They surprised me by not doing so, after which I spent a few hours writing a long, dark, depressing background story for Millorn, decided he had 3 insanities and that it was just about impossible to redeem him, simply because his mind was absolutely shattered by what he had experienced. I couldn't see a way to actually gain his trust myself and so made no DCs to pass or anything, expecting that the unusually militant and unforgiving monk (Iomedae) and the archtypical paladin would sway the party towards killing Millorn.
Nope. The Wizard found a way to gain his trust - by using his background story as a former cultist, speaking in abyssal (which Millorn didn't understand but recognised) and thereby opening up for communications, and letting Millorn understand he could trust the follower of Sarenrae. The roleplay progressed, I made some rolls to see how Millorn would react. Each and every morning since then (1 month has passed or so in game) the follower of Sarenrea has had breakfast with Millorn, and he has by now lost two insanities, his TN and convinced the follower of Sarenrae is his (dead) daughter.
Nurah - half the party wants to kill her, the monk and the vanilla paladin, while the wizard and follower of Sarenrae want to redeem her. I play Nurah as quite intelligent, keenly interested in history and, from all the skill points she has put into it, she really likes to dance. The follower of Sarenrae has brought Nurah along to eat breakfast with Millorn each morning, is kind to her, listens to and acts on her information, brings her along to help washing, reacts with irony and wit when Nurah tries using suggestion on her to escape, and last session the two high charisma ladies ended up dancing around while the army of paladins was helping them clean a former church - the men quite liked it, and I had that act along with all the effort the player has put into it have Nurah offer the wizard (the only other PC nice to her) information on where to find a way to raise the follower of Sarenrae, after Soltengrebbe killed her. If she continues doing this way, I think Nurah will stop trying to escape come next session.
Fun anecdote - next session I plan to start in the follower of Sarenrae's tent. She will wake up to find her newly acquired heavy crossbow missing, hearing Millorn shouting at a Paladin "And I swear, if I so much as see you try to invite my daughter out for a dance, much less touch her, I'll put an arrow through your buttocks!!!" - having just been raised from dead the evening before, the follower of Sarenrae will wake up to find a small mountain of flowers and chocolate as good luck wishes from her army, not so little of the chocolate being in heart shaped boxes.
That's when she will discover that Millorn has had the keys to his little mobile prison the past week or so but just hasn't seen any reason to leave it, what with his daughter giving him books and stuff to cook and eat.
My group has redeemed or is in the process of redeeming many characters.
Wendaug the Mongrelman from Book 1.
Chaleb the crusader looter from book 1.
The "Lost" Crusaders who were going to sacrifice a girl from book 1.
Nurah from Book 2.
Jestak from Book 2.
Joran Vayne from book 2.
A half-fiend Minotaur from the fight with Staunton (He kept failing his save Vs murderous command until he was the only one left at which point he claimed he had always been on the PCs side. His name is Arak, we generated it after the fight was over.)
Jesker the possessed priest from Book 3.
And they have recently captured Marhevok and Beverach his pet drake, the Drake is willing after a few weeks of teaching it the concepts of right and wrong, Marhevok is still sitting in Drezen's prison.
Wow! That's a lot of redeemed people!
How did they redeemed Wendaug btw?
Okay, updating after a long while...
To my knowledge, this is a complete list.
Random encounter succubus (Nevrianial the chocoholic)
Nurah
Joran Vhane
Jesker
Random elf prisoner
Two anti-paladins from the Ivory Sanctum
Alderpash
And working on
Okay, updating after a long while...
To my knowledge, this is a complete list.
Random encounter succubus (Nevrianial the chocoholic)
Nurah
Joran Vhane
Jesker
Random elf prisoner
Two anti-paladins from the Ivory Sanctum
AlderpashAnd working on
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Whoa! That last one was a shocker! All I can to y'all: good luck! You're going to need it!
I will admit that is going to be difficult. So far who was the hardest to redeem in your game?
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Whoa! That last one was a shocker! All I can to y'all: good luck! You're going to need it!I will admit that is going to be difficult. So far who was the hardest to redeem in your game?
Actually, I'm the GM. So I'm not the one in need of luck.
The character attempting the last is related to an old Epic Level 3.5 game I ran for two years...I'll stick info in spoilers.
Firanwyn is the daughter of a weretiger rogue and a succubus daughter of Malcanthet (who she redeemed in the course of the campaign...the succubus daughter, I mean). To hide Fira from harm, they took her to Golarian and set her up with foster parents. In our lore, Malcanthet is a different 'aspect' of Nocticula, so she calls her Grandma. Thus her attempt to redeem Nocticula...and based on the various hints, I suspect it will be accurate.
Plus, in the fight with Baphomet Fira summoned Nocticula for help (actually bargained for it ahead of time!). In preparation she even took Beyond Morality so that she wouldn't take the Chaotic Evil hit.
But thus far, the hardest character to redeem was Nurah, hands down. There's several other characters that are on the path of redemption (random encounter with the same red dragon four times...he's now LN and sleeping with the paladin), and the random succubus cheated. First they cloned her, then they used a Trap the Soul plus a Limited Wish to transfer her spirit into a dagger as an intelligent item. They used the Forge to redeem the item, then broke it and ended up with a Chaotic Good succubus.
Whoa! That last one was a shocker! All I can to y'all: good luck! You're going to need it!I will admit that is going to be difficult. So far who was the hardest to redeem in your game?
Actually, I'm the GM. So I'm not the one in need of luck.
The character attempting the last is related to an old Epic Level 3.5 game I ran for two years...I'll stick info in spoilers.
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But thus far, the hardest character to redeem was Nurah, hands down. There's several other characters that are on the path of redemption (random encounter with the same red dragon four times...he's now LN and sleeping with the paladin), and the random succubus cheated. First they cloned her, then they used a Trap the Soul plus a Limited Wish to transfer her spirit into a dagger as an intelligent item. They used the Forge to redeem the item, then broke it and ended up with a Chaotic Good succubus.
I'll have to admit that's one way to redeem someone! Lol!
And they redeem a red dragon!? Wow. That must have been interesting. How did they do that? Just curious.0
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I'll have to admit that's one way to redeem someone! Lol!And they redeem a red dragon!? Wow. That must have been interesting. How did they do that? Just curious.0
It was a Young Red Dragon, which they could have curbstomped thoroughly. Considering what the halfling Cuisinart did to the big bad dragon the same adventure...it would've died, badly. Anyway, Mr. Dragon (Daergath Firewing), was out looking for treasure to add to his horde, and ended up in a fight with some demons. They defeated the demon, and, being a Lawful sort, Daergath acknowledged his debt to them. After three more random encounters with a young red dragon, he'd started getting a crush on the absolutely badass aasimar paladin. Who he knew could turn him into a eunuch if he wasn't careful. So he decided to try impressing her by saving random patrols of crusaders and the like. She decided to take him as a cohort, and, after they fed him a Nahyndrian Elixir, things just...progressed. He finally went from LE to LN last session, when they killed Baphomet.
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Okay, I'm gonna spoiler these, since it goes all the way through:
I don't know if he counts, but Hogrgus went from N to G in Adventure 1 (and later married the rogue)
One of the Looters, I named him Paul :)
Nurah (later married the Cleric)
Arles Jestander (again, not sure if it counts, but just restored his faith. He didn't return to being a paladin, though, the entire party was chaotic, so they just converted him to Cavalier, and he became the Cleric's cohort)
Aron Kir (at least helped him recover from his addiction, if that counts)
Jestak
Joran Vhane
Jesker
Two Random Cultists that were caught napping in the Ivory Sanctum (Jef and Gary)
the two barbarian consorts from the Wintersun clan (Jaenic and Vanic, who formed a new clan under the group fighter, who also married Vanic)
A couple of the giants from the Midnight Fane
Arueshaelae, of course (Married the grumpy Magus)
A few of the captured humans in the Nahyndrian mines which were evil
The Herald(s) of the Ivory Labyrinth (My storyline necessitated that there be multiple, all of which were saved)
Aravashnial's parents (kind-of, it was an added scene while we were waiting for adventure 6 to come out)
Many, many souls that were lost due to the rituals that Jerribeth and others had conducted (see the Champion trait storyline)
Jerribeth herself (Pulled before the court of the god of justice for going back on her agreement to use her wish)
Terendelev
I forget his name, but the guy that got turned into goop after he betrayed Areelu Voresh when she was opening the Worldwound
And, finally, even though it didn't complete until halfway through the campaign AFTER this one (a Kingmaker campaign with the childred of these heroes): Nocticula, who is now the deity of Love and Rebellion in the local pantheon.
I'm sure I missed some too. My group was pretty redemption-happy.
Okay, I'm gonna spoiler these, since it goes all the way through:
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I'm sure I missed some too. My group was pretty redemption-happy.
How did they redeem Terendelev?
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How did they redeem Terendelev?Okay, I'm gonna spoiler these, since it goes all the way through:
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I'm sure I missed some too. My group was pretty redemption-happy.
This is an adventure 6 spoiler, so be warned before you read on:
Also, another one I forgot:
I must say that I'm surprised by many of these redemptions. Which is actually good. Means that the ap adds more variety and depth to it in allowing pcs to redeem the villains.