Naked Courage, Beautiful Strength


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Shadow Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

I am looking to create a build, which I have nicknamed "Naked Courage, Beautiful Strength".

What it pertains, is:

High Charisma.

High Strength.

20 point buy.

Any race(without HD), but nothing "unattractive".

Nothing 3rd party.

Must work whilst nude, or mostly so(loincloth?).

Any ideas?

ummm... yeah

life oracle rage prophit...
invulnerable rager 5/oracle 1/rage prophet 10/4 barbarian

celestial totem, and fey foundling. then you just hulk smash everything. it works really well.

Grand Lodge

Why Life Oracle?

Sczarni

I'd say oracle of lore or nature (lore would be best imo for alot of builds due to AC and reflex)
With side step secret reflex and ac would go off of charisma. Likewise if you take Scion of war, you calculate initative off of Charisma as well.

Now you can effectively not worry about dex (unless those dex skills really matter to you) But oracle is the key part.

With that said, now what to add to oracle?

Paladin (wow super high saves now!), Barbarian (dovetails nicely to rage prophet), Bard (shirtless master of whips? hrm....) Ninja sneak attack is kewl, and focus on str means less feats needed, Gladiator Fighter, or monk, or gunslinger....

Grand Lodge

Going from Oracle to either Paladin, or Barbarian, seems to be the choice for me.

Both are really cool, and can work thematically.

Ninja just does not seem to work for this.

What does Gladiator Fighter do though?

Grand Lodge

Does it have to be strength? I mean huge Charisma plus Huge Dex = Mysterious Stranger Build. Firing with More than Two Long-Guns.

If it has to be strength.... Then Aasimar Barbaian with spells tattoos of mage armor

Grand Lodge

No, very much strength and charisma.

You know, I have never played a Pathfinder Paladin.

I think that might be the way to go for me.

If so, is there another dip worth it?

Sczarni

Gladiator is more thematic than anything, but due to how many feats fighters get it's easy do in combat anything you want, specially with weapon training.

Also if you're using piecmeal armor, you can fashion say armored arms and leg pieces and get higher ac than normal out of it and leave your chest exposed.

Also there's the whole charisma to be the "favored champion"

The only thing the archetype loses is bravery btw.... so there's a couple other archetypes you can blend with it (not many but a few)


As a barbarian archetype, Invulnerable Rager could surely do.
As for oracle mysteries, I'd suggest Air, Heaven, or Passion

Sczarni

yeah passion isn't paizo...

And seriously, two revelations that one is basically side step secret... ok that's kewl...

and the other is basically bone armor... ok not cool.... ultimate ac without ever worrying about max penalty to dex.... now you can wear a +1 belly warmer and give it all the armor enhancements you want and not worry about loss of ac, or high gold costs!

Hell the channel isn't even modeled after the life oracle it's at 3+cha rather than 1+ cha, woo free extra channel feat built in!

It's crap like that, that make people distrust alot of 3rd party/fan.


If you're looking at oracles for the character Ancient Lorekeeper can pick up mage armor as an oracle spell at level 4 and with the nature mystery you can add cha to ac as well as a full progression animal companion.

Alternate ideas could include a Druid with the Naga Aspirant can have mage armor at level 1 although as you want to avoid the scaly side of life you's have to try and get there with Nagai blooded human.

Grand Lodge

Yeah, 3rd party isn't allowed.

If I go Oracle/Paladin, should I just hit one Oracle, then all Paladin?

Sczarni

that would be my recommendation.

Honestly though you could easily sprinkle in some fighter in there too

Grand Lodge

Gladiator is one that stacks with a few others.

If I take a little Fighter dip, would there be a keen archetype to take?


lantzkev wrote:

yeah passion isn't paizo...

And seriously, two revelations that one is basically side step secret... ok that's kewl...

and the other is basically bone armor... ok not cool.... ultimate ac without ever worrying about max penalty to dex.... now you can wear a +1 belly warmer and give it all the armor enhancements you want and not worry about loss of ac, or high gold costs!

Hell the channel isn't even modeled after the life oracle it's at 3+cha rather than 1+ cha, woo free extra channel feat built in!

It's crap like that, that make people distrust alot of 3rd party/fan.

Did you notice that the channel doesn't work on undead?

Ok, you don't like it, I can live with that. Only, please, don't call it crap.

Sczarni

naw it's unbalanced fan fic work that shouldn't be recommended to people.

Grand Lodge

Let's not discuss the Passion Mystery anymore. Please.

Now, if I go one Oracle level, then straight Paladin, how should put forth my point buy?

What is a good feat selection?

Sczarni

I'd go 16/14/14/10/10/10 myself, although you can certainly dump dex if you wanted.

Grand Lodge

Wouldn't I want higher charisma?

That was sort of the point.


14(+2)/8/14/10/12/16(+2), IMHO

Grand Lodge

Ah. I see.

How should I go about feat distribution?

Noble Scion seems strong, but I feel like it is leaving something behind.

Also, is it a bad idea to dump wisdom?


A paladin can swift action heal himself, you do not need 14 in Constitution. Dumping wisdom is actually recommended. I would go like this (let us say that you are an extremely handsome pitborn tiefling allowed to exchange your spelllike ability with +2 CHA):

1 Lore Oracle (Legalistic curse is thematic) / 19 Oath of Vengenece Paladin

20 pb

STR 15(+2)
DEX 8
CON 12
INT 10 (-2)
WIS 7
CHA 18 (+4)

ALterante racial traits: Fiendish Sprinter, Prehensile Tail

Traits: Opportunistic Gambler

Your feats can be like this:

1 Fey Foundling
3 Power Attack
5 Extra Lay on Hands
7 Skill Focus: Survival
9 Eldirch Heritage (Touch of Rage)
11 Improved Eldrich Heritage (Strengh of the Beast)
13 Quicken Spell-like Ability (Touch of Rage) / Extra Lay on Hands
15 Extra Lay on Hands
17 Greater Eldrich Heritage (Power of Giants)
19 Quicken Spell-like Ability (Power of Giants) / Extra Lay on Hands

Extreme amounts of swift action healing, smite everything by converting lay on hands to smite evil, massive damage bump with the eldrich heritage (orc) feat tree.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Nature's Whispers covers CMD, but Sidestep Secret covers Reflex saves. Tough choice.

High charisma is not just attractiveness, but force of personality, which are both desired.

High strength is for a well muscled physique.

I can't find a picture of a Samsaran, so I can't judge their looks.

I like Oracle for it, and Paladin works, but Barbarian seems interesting too.

Suli and Angel-Blooded Aasimar seem to work, but Gnome just does not fit the concept. Also, I am not too fond of Gnomes.

I would prefer a medium sized race.

Maybe a Wand of Nereid's Grace, and a high UMD?

I believe that the Samsarans look like the aliens from the Avatar movie - very blue. They are medium sized though.

Grand Lodge

Well, the alternate Tiefling and Aasimar abilities that give an additional boost to an ability score, are not allowed.

Also, if Samsarans look like the sm*rfs from Avatar, well, that just is not attractive, in my opinion.

Well, maybe in a weird, furry way.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Well, the alternate Tiefling and Aasimar abilities that give an additional boost to an ability score, are not allowed.

Also, if Samsarans look like the sm*rfs from Avatar, well, that just is not attractive, in my opinion.

Well, maybe in a weird, furry way.

Then you can take the maw alterante racial feature for a bite attack. Very useful when you smite but will probably ruin the image of the handsome man / beautiful woman. However, there are many alternate abilities that can be useful if you are willing to look.

You definately want tiefling though for their favorite class bonus.

Grand Lodge

By the way, I don't remember if I said this, but I am free to choose any alternate racial trait of Aasimar, or Tiefling, as long as it does not increase an ability score.

Shadow Lodge

the reason why you want a life oracle, is because you want to be able to survive damage while wearing no armor.

you can gain some crazy powerful healing abilities through a life oracle. golden elemental, quicken cure spells, non provoking cure spells, count your full level for healing spells.

i mean when a cure light wounds heals you for 1d8 + 2(fey foundling)+10 (your level) + 10(lesser celestial totem)... i mean thats an insane ammount of healing. even with all that dr, if you dont have a good AC you will get hit 95% of the time. you need those healing abilities to survive.

oh and dont even try to say that barbarians arnt hot, im still stuck on that chick from the second D&D movie. man she was AWESOME!

Grand Lodge

What about Celestial Obedience?

With Arshea:

Arshea:
ARSHEA
Spirit of Abandon
NG angel empyreal lord of freedom, physical beauty, and sexuality
CULT
Holy Symbol reclining figure draped in multicolored sashes
Temples artists' studios, burlesque parlors, dance halls
Worshipers courtesans, painters, the repressed, sculptors, sexual partners
Minions aasimar enchanters, astral devas, good nymphs
Obedience Achieve sexual release by yourself or with one or
more partners. Praise the most beautiful aspects of yourself
and any partners aloud, and offer a prayer to Arshea while
still naked. Gain a +4 sacred bonus on Charisma checks
and Charisma-based skill checks when interacting with an
intelligent creature who could be sexually attracted to you.
BOONS
1: Arshea's Charmer (Sp) disguise self 3/day, mirror image
2/day, or charm monster 1/day
2: Flawless Form (Su) Gain an armor bonus equal to your
Charisma modifier (minimum +1) whenever you wear
revealing clothing and no armor.
3: Liberation (Sp) You can cast freedom once per day.

That could help with AC.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

What about Celestial Obedience?

With Arshea:

** spoiler omitted **

That could help with AC.

I was about to suggest this. Going Mystery Cultist of Arshea would get you there a little quicker, and I think it works out kinda okay with Oracle. Lunar Mystery would be worth it just for the Full Moon jokes, along with Cha instead of dex. Dipping paladin would get deflection = cha when smiting...I'm not sure how kosher triple dipping cha to AC would be though, even if they are different bonuses (armor bonus, dex bonus, deflection bonus).

I believe Mystery Cultist also gives a fear aura,which could be fluffed as very Lady Godiva-ish in this case.

Grand Lodge

Well, Lunar doesn't use charisma for CMD.

It does allow you to use it for reflex saves.

Also, it doesn't need extra joke material.

Sczarni

yeah lore is one of those mysteries I'd recommend for splashing a singular lvl. I love the life mystery for healing powah. If you're going as a paladin though I'd recommend going scion of war though so you can add charisma to initiative.

Also if you want charismatic, you can always go with summoner too, I personally really like the bard celebrity archetype. Whips are a really really cool tool and they are proficient in them by default. pick up whip mastery and now you can deal lethal regardless of armor, grapple from a distance without using your hands... Snatch objects, etc...

Grand Lodge

So, of Nature, Lore, and Lunar, is Nature the best?


Not necessarily the "best", simply the only ones that have revelations that give Cha to AC.


I prefer CHA to reflex saves than to CMD, mainly because the later will benefit from your high Str.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
zefig wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

What about Celestial Obedience?

With Arshea:

** spoiler omitted **

That could help with AC.

I was about to suggest this. Going Mystery Cultist of Arshea would get you there a little quicker, and I think it works out kinda okay with Oracle. Lunar Mystery would be worth it just for the Full Moon jokes, along with Cha instead of dex. Dipping paladin would get deflection = cha when smiting...I'm not sure how kosher triple dipping cha to AC would be though, even if they are different bonuses (armor bonus, dex bonus, deflection bonus).

I believe Mystery Cultist also gives a fear aura,which could be fluffed as very Lady Godiva-ish in this case.

That is very cool, but it only comes into play very late unfortunately i believe. The second boon is level 13+ i guess.

Grand Lodge

Well, Celestial Obedience serves as good flavor, and is functional.

I wouldn't grab until much later though, if I did.

Grand Lodge

Would Eldritch Heritage be a good choice?

Shadow Lodge

Angel-blooded aasimar:

STR+19 INT:07
DEX:07 WIS:14
CON:14 CHA+16

alignment: NG
temperament: insane; behaves like he's immortal

Traits: Accelerated Drinker, Purity of Faith (Iomedae)
Racial: Halo

01 barb1 Raging Vitality
02 barb2 [Quick Reflexes]
03 fight1 Power Attack, Iron Will
04 fight2 Pushing Assault, STR>20
05 barb3 Iron Will, Greater
06 barb4 [Reckless Abandon+2]
...etc.

Skills: Intimidate (maxed)
Euipment: bardiche, greatsword, morningstar

Long-term build: battlefield control while enlarged with a polearm.

Strengths: paladin-like will save, stellar offense, denies opponent melee full-attacks.

Weaknesses: dumb as a sack of hammers, arrow magnet, at most two AoOs/round, CHA largely wasted
Gimmick:

Grand Lodge

Why Halo?


Because hes gonna have a halo LIKE A BOSS!!!!


Invulnerable Rager (Barbarian archetype), either Human (extra feat) or Half-orc (bonus to Intimidate and Dark Vision).

Get the biggest and meaniest two handed weapon. Max Intimidate skill and get the feats Power Attack and Cornugon Smash, ASAP.

Alternatively your PC could be a Pitborn Tiefling, those guys get a bonus to Strenght AND Carisma, they also get a -2 to Int but Intelligence is for ugly people, your PC would be a Incubus-like (or Succubus-like) creature with a body to die for and power that make his/her enemies actually die, like literally. It doesn't get more Beautiful Strenght than that. And a naked, or barely clothed, incubus/succubus is very appropiate.

-You get to benefit from having both high Charisma and Strenght which is what you want. And also you ignore armor because it's going to be a lousy AC anyway you aim for high Damage Reduction with the Barbarian archetype.

Grand Lodge

Well, without a Oracle dip, you require a higher Dex.

Without a Paladin dip, you require a higher wisdom.

I want to increase my choices, but these two facts are hard to bypass.

Suggestions?


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

1. Paladin
2. Paladin
3. Lunar Oracle
4. Ninja: Skills. A lot. Some other stuff.
5. Ninja for ki pool and shadow clone (mirror image).

Rest either Paladin or Oracle.
If oracle take primal companion and boon companion feat.

Possibly Paladin of Vengeance up to level 4, more smiting.
Then a lot of extra lay on hands.
You can still take the rest in oracle with primal companion, abusing the aasimar favorite class skill to advance it to your level and higher.

That would actually make a nice Nidalee build hehehe.
Perhpas i will try that too.

Grand Lodge

Not so sure about Ninja.

Outside of skill points, I am not fully seeing the benefit.

If I wanted a Ki Pool, I could take Racial Heritage(Tengu), and go Shigenjo Oracle.

Is Lunar, Nature, or Lore, the best Mystery for this?

Lantern Lodge

Champion of Irori?

Grand Lodge

Secane wrote:
Champion of Irori?

That's a bit more MAD, but it might work.

I have no idea how to utilize that PrC though.

Liberty's Edge

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Secane wrote:
Champion of Irori?

That's a bit more MAD, but it might work.

I have no idea how to utilize that PrC though.

There is a guide about this PrC in the Advice section and I found it enlightening ;-)


I dont think champion of irori would work here, since you need at least 3 levels of monk (to get still mind). It wouldnt jive with the strength+cha combo.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I think lunar is the best mystery. It seems CHa is also added to CMD, since it´s added as armor bonus instead of DEX. Also Lunar animal companion seems better to me than nature´s one.

Shigenjo oracle get´s a monks ki pool at level 7.
But neither the ninja´s nor the ninja trick.
If ninja it would be for additional defense via mirror image as shadow split, which you would have additionaly to any spells from Paladin and Oracle. There are other nice ninja tricks too and the thing is it works from CHA.

Grand Lodge

Is there another way to pump the Will Saves, without a Paladin dip?

I really dig the Oracle dip, but I am curious about alternatives to Paladin.

Sometimes, a Paladin doesn't work with a group, so I am looking at options.

Shadow Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Sir Thugsalot wrote:

Angel-blooded aasimar:

STR+19 INT:07
DEX:07 WIS:14
CON:14 CHA+16

alignment: NG
temperament: insane; behaves like he's immortal

Traits: Accelerated Drinker, Purity of Faith (Iomedae)
Racial: Halo

01 barb1 Raging Vitality
02 barb2 [Quick Reflexes]
03 fight1 Power Attack, Iron Will
04 fight2 Pushing Assault, STR>20
05 barb3 Iron Will, Greater
06 barb4 [Reckless Abandon+2]
...etc.

Skills: Intimidate (maxed)
Euipment: bardiche, greatsword, morningstar

Long-term build: battlefield control while enlarged with a polearm.

Strengths: paladin-like will save, stellar offense, denies opponent melee full-attacks.

Weaknesses: dumb as a sack of hammers, arrow magnet, at most two AoOs/round, CHA largely wasted

Why Halo?

Halo: Some aasimars possess the ability to manifest halos. An aasimar with this racial trait can create light centered on her head at will as a spell-like ability. When using her halo, she gains a +2 circumstance bonus on Intimidate checks against evil creatures and on saving throws against becoming blinded or dazzled. This racial trait replaces the darkvision racial trait.

-- Metagamy, it's not a good trade for Darkvision, but it's very RP-flavored and fits this brickhead concept with exactly one skill.

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