Ok, just to recap..
Ring of Spell Knowledge
Aura moderate or strong (no school); CL 7th
Slot ring; Price 1,500 gp (Type I), 6,000 gp (Type II), 13,500 gp (Type III), 24,000 gp (Type IV); Weight —
Description
This ring comes in four types: ring of spell knowledge I, ring of spell knowledge II, ring of spell knowledge III, and ring of spell knowledge IV. All of them are useful only to spontaneous arcane spellcasters.
Through study, the wearer can gain the knowledge of a single spell in addition to those allotted by her class and level. A ring of spell knowledge I can hold 1st-level spells only, a ring of spell knowledge II 1st- or 2nd-level spells, a ring of spell knowledge III spells of 3rd level or lower, and a ring of spell knowledge IV up to 4th-level spells.
A ring of spell knowledge is only a storage space; the wearer must still encounter a written, active, or cast version of the spell and succeed at a DC 20 Spellcraft check to teach the spell to the ring. Thereafter, the arcane spellcaster may cast the spell as though she knew the spell and it appeared on her class' spell list.
Arcane spells that do not appear on the wearer's class list are treated as one level higher for all purposes (storage and casting).
And add to the mix....
Use Magic Device
Emulate a Class Feature: Sometimes you need to use a class feature to activate a magic item. In this case, your effective level in the emulated class equals your Use Magic Device check result minus 20. This skill does not let you actually use the class feature of another class. It just lets you activate items as if you had that class feature. If the class whose feature you are emulating has an alignment requirement, you must meet it, either honestly or by emulating an appropriate alignment with a separate Use Magic Device check (see above).
To make a long story short, I'm looking to use a Ring of Spell Knowledge on my life oracle. I'm wondering if and how it would work. I'm guessing it would only work on spells that are both on the cleric/oracle AND wizard spell lists. Any thoughts?
I don't think it works as you do not activate a ring of spell knowledge.
I would really say ask your DM. I see no reason why it should not really work with just prepared casters in general. I would allow it in my games. Unless someone has a reason it really shouldn't be allowed.
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Step 1: You use UMD and convince the ring that you are an arcane spellcaster.
Step 2: you can now teach the ring a arcane spell.
So far, so good.
Step 3: use UMD to convince the ring that you are an arcane spellcaster again and try to cast the spell.
You fail because at this point you need to be an arcane spellcaster to cast the spell. What the ring think is inconsequential, you are lacking the arcane slots to cast the spell.
Point taken, but once again. What if the spell in question is also on the cleric/oracle spell list?
Spells come in two types: arcane (cast by bards, sorcerers, and wizards) and divine (cast by clerics, druids, and experienced paladins and rangers).
There is an arcane and a divine version of spell XYZ and you need a corresponding spell slot. You can teach the ring only arcane spells that you cannot cast with a devine slot.
Spells come in two types: arcane (cast by bards, sorcerers, and wizards) and divine (cast by clerics, druids, and experienced paladins and rangers).There is an arcane and a divine version of spell XYZ and you need a corresponding spell slot. You can teach the ring only arcane spells that you cannot cast with a devine slot.
The description does not limit the ring to only learning arcane spells. It also says it treats the learned spell as if it were on your class list, which MAKES it divine.
Now, I don't think that was the intent of the designer, but as it is written, the ring can learn any spell and since it is considered part of your spell list, you can use it.
Our DM let our Summoner (who rides a dragon-shaped Eidolon while wielding a lance) learn Saddle Surge from a friendly paladin. YMMV.
@Sir Gavvin
...useful only to spontaneous arcane spellcasters...
= arcane
Through study, the wearer can gain the knowledge of a single spell in addition to those allotted by her class and level.
= arcane (because it is only useful to arcane caster see quote 1 and 3)
Thereafter, the arcane spellcaster may cast the spell as though she knew the spell and it appeared on her class' spell list.
= arcane
Arcane spells that do not appear on the wearer's class list...
= arcane
To be honest .. it is badly written but it is an arcane only item.
Ok, just to recap..
Ring of Spell Knowledge
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And add to the mix....Use Magic Device
Emulate a Class Feature: <snip>
To make a long story short, I'm looking to use a Ring of Spell Knowledge on my life oracle. I'm wondering if and how it would work. I'm guessing it would only work on spells that are both on the cleric/oracle AND wizard spell lists. Any thoughts?
UMD lets you activate something you cannot normally activate. The ring has only one thing that can be activated: learn a spell. That needs a skill, not a class feature. Best I can see is Activate Blindly. "You can activate such an item as if you were using the activation word, thought, or action, even when you're not and even if you don't know it." However, since Spellcraft is a class skill for casters, you should be able to hit it's DC 20 easier than the UMD DC of 25. It is clear that it can learn any spell except 9th level arcane spells not on your list.
I made thread Ring of Spell Knowledge for a Wizard or Witch where I argued that "useful" =/= "usable". I got no love. :-/
I imagine you see this text "Thereafter, the arcane spellcaster may cast the spell as though she knew the spell and it appeared on her class' spell list." as letting your oracle gain a spell known. Note that this allows an arcane caster to cast as if the spell was known, and not cast the spell in the ring by spending a spell slot. If you could spend a slot to cast the ring's spell, then you could argue UMD as applying to it. Since you are not an arcane caster, its benefit has nowhere to be added, so you do not gain the benefit.
The text "Arcane spells that do not appear on the wearer's class list are treated as one level higher for all purposes (storage and casting)." gives a clear rule how to treat off-list arcane spells: one level higher. It does not spell out rules for off-list divine spells. Opinions differ on that.
Another question is, if you dip in an arcane class, will it let you use the divine slots for casting the spell? Me, I would allow, as you spent a level to gain the effect. RAW, I have no idea.
/cevah
Ok, just to recap..
Ring of Spell Knowledge
Aura moderate or strong (no school); CL 7th
Slot ring; Price 1,500 gp (Type I), 6,000 gp (Type II), 13,500 gp (Type III), 24,000 gp (Type IV); Weight —
DescriptionThis ring comes in four types: ring of spell knowledge I, ring of spell knowledge II, ring of spell knowledge III, and ring of spell knowledge IV. All of them are useful only to spontaneous arcane spellcasters.
Through study, the wearer can gain the knowledge of a single spell in addition to those allotted by her class and level. A ring of spell knowledge I can hold 1st-level spells only, a ring of spell knowledge II 1st- or 2nd-level spells, a ring of spell knowledge III spells of 3rd level or lower, and a ring of spell knowledge IV up to 4th-level spells.
A ring of spell knowledge is only a storage space; the wearer must still encounter a written, active, or cast version of the spell and succeed at a DC 20 Spellcraft check to teach the spell to the ring. Thereafter, the arcane spellcaster may cast the spell as though she knew the spell and it appeared on her class' spell list.
Arcane spells that do not appear on the wearer's class list are treated as one level higher for all purposes (storage and casting).
And add to the mix....
Use Magic Device
Emulate a Class Feature: Sometimes you need to use a class feature to activate a magic item. In this case, your effective level in the emulated class equals your Use Magic Device check result minus 20. This skill does not let you actually use the class feature of another class. It just lets you activate items as if you had that class feature. If the class whose feature you are emulating has an alignment requirement, you must meet it, either honestly or by emulating an appropriate alignment with a separate Use Magic Device check (see above).
To make a long story short, I'm looking to use a Ring of Spell Knowledge on my life oracle. I'm wondering if and how it would work. I'm guessing it would only work on spells that are both on...
Seriously? We went over this already.
"Useful only to spontaneous Arcane Casters..."
The sentence can also be rephrased meaning the same thing as...
"Useless to everyone BUT spontaneous Arcane Casters..."
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Another question is, if you dip in an arcane class, will it let you use the divine slots for casting the spell? Me, I would allow, as you spent a level to gain the effect. RAW, I have no idea.
It is called "taking levels in the mystic theurge prestige class".
It is the main special ability of the prestige class, giving away for free and in a version that is more powerful than the prestige class power is a huge gift.
There are only TWO classes that can use this ring. Bards and Sorcerers. to anyone else, it's just an expensive hoop of metal.
There may be only two classes able to use it to cast spells with, however loading it does not say it must be done by a spontaneous arcane caster.
/cevah
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There are only TWO classes that can use this ring. Bards and Sorcerers. to anyone else, it's just an expensive hoop of metal.There may be only two classes able to use it to cast spells with, however loading it does not say it must be done by a spontaneous arcane caster.
/cevah
I'd be cool with other people loading it. Usage of the spells loaded however require a spontaneous arcane caster.
There are only TWO classes that can use this ring. Bards and Sorcerers. to anyone else, it's just an expensive hoop of metal.
Don't forget summoners, they are spontaneous arcane casters too.
Ok, in fear of resurrection...
The ring is usable only by spontaneous casters and can only hold arcane spells.
Now, here's my question, can a sorcerer cast a bardic version of cure light wounds at one level higher with this ring?
