Clerics and Druids with Eldritch Heritage: Arcane Bond


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Sorcerer's Arcane Bond wrote:


Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your sorcerer levels stack with any wizard levels you possess when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. Once per day, your bonded item allows you to cast any one of your spells known (unlike a wizard’s bonded item, which allows him to cast any one spell in his spellbook). This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item.

Maybe a silly question but anyway.

Note the wording of the sorcerer's arcane bond. If you pick a bonded item, it allows you to cast one of your known spells once per day. The ability does not specify that it is restricted to sorcerer spells.
As clerics and druids have access to their whole spell list, all their spells are effectively 'known'.
So... if a cleric or druid uses Eldritch Heritage to get a bonded item, could they use it to cast a level 9 spell once per day?

[edit]: this is of course not RAI and I'm not asking this out of a desire to use it or whatever. Just asking for RAW interpretations out of curiosity.
Personally I wouldn't allow it as a GM or use it as a PC of course.


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Can a 3rd level wizard who obtained a spellbook with a 3rd level spell written in it have his bonded item cast that 3rd level spell despite the fact the wizard can't cast it himself for 2 levels?

Personally, I don't think it is possible, and would rule against that.


Adjule wrote:
Can a 3rd level wizard who obtained a spellbook with a 3rd level spell written in it have his bonded item cast that 3rd level spell despite the fact the wizard can't cast it himself for 2 levels

Nope, because that is specifically noted in the wizard's arcane bond ability.

Wizard's Arcane Bond wrote:
A bonded object can be used once per day to cast any one spell that the wizard has in his spellbook and is capable of casting

Personally I'd also rule against it of course. I'm just asking for RAW interpretation out of curiosity.


Spells known refers to a spontaneous caster's spells known, it's a game term not just English.

A prepared divine caster has neither spells known nor a spell book of their own, so I don't believe it would give any benefit other than an enchantable object.

The arcane bond section for wizards specifies a spell in their spell book that they are capable of casting, so even if your GM agreed to allow the divine caster's spell list to count as their book, they'd still be limited to a spell they are capable of casting.


I suppose an oracle would be just fine, then.

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The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad wrote:
cleric or druid uses Eldritch Heritage to get a bonded item, could they use it to cast a level 9 spell once per day?
Adjule wrote:
3rd level spell despite the fact the wizard can't cast it himself for 2 levels?

No, because you don't know a spell that is beyond your casting. Your "Spells Known" is the spells you can cast.

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The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad wrote:
As clerics and druids have access to their whole spell list, all their spells are effectively 'known'.

Actually, no they don't. Spells known is a term for spontaneous casters. Clerics and druids do not have spells known at all.

ETA: Aka. What cult said.

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