CapeCodRPGer |
Trailer could use more Peter Dinklage
Looks good. Hope they have a trailer that has more sentinal action.
CapeCodRPGer |
Well, honeslty, what I've seen of sentinels is a little worrisome. They are too small and don't really have faces, which was one of the important scare factors.
Well the movie takes place over decades. i heard what they have shown are the very early sentinel models. I think they saving the good stuff for closer to movie release.
Blayde MacRonan |
Given that X-Men Origins: Wolverine takes place before his joining the X-Men and The Wolverine takes place after (specifically after X-Men The Last Stand), I'm gonna have to go with adamantium-infused bone claws.
I'll even go so far as to say that all the X-Men movies that are not First Class take place in the Days of Future Past alternate time line. Why? Because of the credits piece in The Wolverine, which serves to set up the events for the Days of Future Past movie. Now I could be wrong about this, but it would be the best way to invali... er, reboot, the X-men movie franchise in the way that was intended with First Class.
Kthulhu |
I wish they could have done a faithful adaptation if one of the greatest X-Men stories ever. However, that would have required that the main character be someone other than Wolverine. Even worse, not even Xavier or Magneto.
Hate to say this, but it's looking like it will be at least as big of a clusterf--k as Last Stand.
Freehold DM |
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I wish they could have done a faithful adaptation if one of the greatest X-Men stories ever. However, that would have required that the main character be someone other than Wolverine. Even worse, not even Xavier or Magneto.
Hate to say this, but it's looking like it will be at least as big of a clusterf--k as Last Stand.
bite your tongue man. That movie was awful.
Ambrosia Slaad |
The problem with using the original DoFP storyline is that Kitty Pride wouldn't be born in the 60s and 70s. While I'm bummed that her arc is given to overhyped-boring-ass Wolverine (no fault of Jackman), I'll accept it as a lesser evil if 1) Singer can pull off a very good or better adaptation, and 2) if it erases the stinking pile of shit that was Last Stand.
Kthulhu |
The problem with using the original DoFP storyline is that Kitty Pride wouldn't be born in the 60s and 70s. While I'm bummed that her arc is given to overhyped-boring-ass Wolverine (no fault of Jackman), I'll accept it as a lesser evil if 1) Singer can pull off a very good or better adaptation, and 2) if it erases the stinking pile of s#~+ that was Last Stand.
My answer...why does DoFP need to link First Class to the original trilogy? It'd be less of a convoluted clusterf--k if it was kept purely as a sequel to the trilogy, with 2013 being the "past", and the Sentinel-overrun future to be 2035 or so. And also if they actually had most of the mutants in the future be dead, instead of using as an opportunity to add in a dozen cameos...which kind of weakens the premise of the future being so bleak.
I'll give it a chance when it comes out, hoping it will surprise me. But my expectations are pretty damned low.
Blayde MacRonan |
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:The problem with using the original DoFP storyline is that Kitty Pride wouldn't be born in the 60s and 70s. While I'm bummed that her arc is given to overhyped-boring-ass Wolverine (no fault of Jackman), I'll accept it as a lesser evil if 1) Singer can pull off a very good or better adaptation, and 2) if it erases the stinking pile of s#~+ that was Last Stand.My answer...why does DoFP need to link First Class to the original trilogy? It'd be less of a convoluted clusterf--k if it was kept purely as a sequel to the trilogy, with 2013 being the "past", and the Sentinel-overrun future to be 2035 or so. And also if they actually had most of the mutants in the future be dead, instead of using as an opportunity to add in a dozen cameos...which kind of weakens the premise of the future being so bleak.
I'll give it a chance when it comes out, hoping it will surprise me. But my expectations are pretty damned low.
First Class was always intended to be a reboot of the franchise. Fox came to Matthew Vaughn with that in mind, and he ran with it. So yeah, DoFP is intended to link First Class with the other films. Now, this goes with what I stated in a previous post that the non-First Class movies will serve as the alternate timeline from which Wolverine comes from. Mind you this is pure speculation, so we won't really know until the movie drops, but it would support the idea: they would acknowledge the existence of those films but not entirely invalidate them while at the same time give them something fresh to work with in future films.
Ambrosia Slaad |
...why does DoFP need to link First Class to the original trilogy? It'd be less of a convoluted clusterf--k if it was kept purely as a sequel to the trilogy, with 2013 being the "past", and the Sentinel-overrun future to be 2035 or so.
I dunno, maybe this is a retcon that even wipes out all three (or parts of) of the original X-Men movies in favor of the First Class continuity? I'd imagine the goal of "fixing" the movie continuity much more likely came from Kevin Feige & Co. than from Singer or the writers, but your guess is as good as mine.
And also if they actually had most of the mutants in the future be dead, instead of using as an opportunity to add in a dozen cameos...which kind of weakens the premise of the future being so bleak.
Yeah, the bulging list of cameos gives me pause too. I'd much prefer a leaner cast that focuses tightly on the central characters. I'm guessing most, if not all, the cameos are just there for fanservice and to give some "emotional gravity" to the story when they get whacked by Sentinels. :/
I'll give it a chance when it comes out, hoping it will surprise me. But my expectations are pretty damned low.
I'm hoping it works too, but then again, I liked the cheesy-messianic-but-heartfelt Superman Returns much better than dumb-angsty-alien-thug Man of Steel.
Kthulhu |
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If they meant it as a reboot, then they should have full-on made it a reboot. All it really would have required is not sticking goddamn Hugh Jackman in it, and then not making The Wolverine. Instead, they decided to do a half-assed reboot, squeeze the Wolverine cash cow for a few more drops, and mangle one of the best X-Men stories ever just to make the half-ass reboot slightly less half-assed.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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If they meant it as a reboot, then they should have full-on made it a reboot. All it really would have required is not sticking g*%%+!n Hugh Jackman in it, and then not making The Wolverine. Instead, they decided to do a half-assed reboot, squeeze the Wolverine cash cow for a few more drops, and mangle one of the best X-Men stories ever just to make the half-ass reboot slightly less half-assed.
Why should the still newish Marvel movie division have learned that lesson about Wolverine when the comics division still refuses to learn it decades later? :p
Kthulhu |
You say that, but Wolverine doesn't really push all the other X-Men and/or Avengers to the side in anywhere near the same way in the comics. He's overused by being in too many titles, yes, but the team titles he's in are actually team titles. Hell, the comic "Wolverine and the X-Men" is more balanced than than the X-Men trilogy.
In fact, often his big contributing role is for the new villain to one-shot him, proving himself dangerous on the X-Man that it won't actually kill.
Freehold DM |
Kthulhu wrote:...why does DoFP need to link First Class to the original trilogy? It'd be less of a convoluted clusterf--k if it was kept purely as a sequel to the trilogy, with 2013 being the "past", and the Sentinel-overrun future to be 2035 or so.I dunno, maybe this is a retcon that even wipes out all three (or parts of) of the original X-Men movies in favor of the First Class continuity? I'd imagine the goal of "fixing" the movie continuity much more likely came from Kevin Feige & Co. than from Singer or the writers, but your guess is as good as mine.
Kthulhu wrote:And also if they actually had most of the mutants in the future be dead, instead of using as an opportunity to add in a dozen cameos...which kind of weakens the premise of the future being so bleak.Yeah, the bulging list of cameos gives me pause too. I'd much prefer a leaner cast that focuses tightly on the central characters. I'm guessing most, if not all, the cameos are just there for fanservice and to give some "emotional gravity" to the story when they get whacked by Sentinels. :/
Kthulhu wrote:I'll give it a chance when it comes out, hoping it will surprise me. But my expectations are pretty damned low.I'm hoping it works too, but then again, I liked the cheesy-messianic-but-heartfelt Superman Returns much better than dumb-angsty-alien-thug Man of Steel.
sheds single tear we. .. disagree on that last. .....
Dal Selpher |
I assumed the glut of X-men/Wolverine movies were Fox maneuvering to keep the rights to the franchise from slipping out of their hands and back into Marvel/Disney's.
That being said, I've not liked any of them since X2, but this trailer has me hopeful that the movies might be moving in a more enjoyable direction.
Kalshane |
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In fact, often his big contributing role is for the new villain to one-shot him, proving himself dangerous on the X-Man that it won't actually kill.
I actually liked that during Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, where Wolverine would get horribly clobbered by the bad guy and the rest of the team's reaction would be along the lines of "Eh. That happens all the time. He'll live."
Kthulhu |
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And also if they actually had most of the mutants in the future be dead, instead of using as an opportunity to add in a dozen cameos...which kind of weakens the premise of the future being so bleak.Yeah, the bulging list of cameos gives me pause too. I'd much prefer a leaner cast that focuses tightly on the central characters. I'm guessing most, if not all, the cameos are just there for fanservice and to give some "emotional gravity" to the story when they get whacked by Sentinels. :/
I'm hoping that that happens to the vast majority of the the cameos AND the old cast. Since we're losing one of the most iconic images of that storyline....Wolverine being unceremoniously killed with a single shot from a Sentinel.
Kthulhu |
Kthulhu wrote:I actually liked that during Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, where Wolverine would get horribly clobbered by the bad guy and the rest of the team's reaction would be along the lines of "Eh. That happens all the time. He'll live."
In fact, often his big contributing role is for the new villain to one-shot him, proving himself dangerous on the X-Man that it won't actually kill.
Wolverine's job is to buy time for the strategic X-Men to come up with a plan while the bad guy is demolishing him.
Kthulhu |
I have to wonder if Singer has cut himself off at the knees (no offense to Dinklage). Ever since the announcement of X-Men: Apocalyse, nobody seems to give a tin s--t about THIS movie anymore, except possibly as an extended prelude to Apocalypse.
I'm a bit disgusted that they've managed to turn the greatest x-Men story of all time into little more than the prelude to X-Men: Pocky Lips the Blue Meanie.
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Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
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First Class was good, and so were the Bryan Singer X-men movies, so I'm optimistic. Can't say I give all that many f#++s about continuity - if it's a good story and an entertaining movie, I have a hard time caring how it fits in with the other movies, or the comics, or the cartoons, or the Ultimate universe comics, or the alternate zombie-universe version of Marvel comics, or the video games, or the breakfast cereal, or any other X-men brand flavored media product.
GreyWolfLord |
Actually, I believe they've used Wolverine as the link instead of Kitty Pride before. I think the Cartoon series used Wolverine as the link, which could be the inspiration for this one.
As for movies, I've actually put up with/enjoyed somewhat all the movies except THE Wolverine. Sorry, I understand how the Jean Grey/Wolverine thing worked in the comics, but that one was a little overboard with the entire Jean Grey thing, and though I enjoyed the Silver Samurai, I really didn't like a lot of how they implemented that storyline.
thejeff |
First Class was good, and so were the Bryan Singer X-men movies, so I'm optimistic. Can't say I give all that many f@!@s about continuity - if it's a good story and an entertaining movie, I have a hard time caring how it fits in with the other movies, or the comics, or the cartoons, or the Ultimate universe comics, or the alternate zombie-universe version of Marvel comics, or the video games, or the breakfast cereal, or any other X-men brand flavored media product.
It does kind of annoy me that it's another Wolverine focused movie. Kitty worked so well in the original story because she was the new X-Man and a child, so it gave us the chance to see her as a competent adult and as a contrast to her youthful naivete.
I'm not sure who would best fit that in the movieverse (or the current comics one, for that matter). I'd just rather it wasn't Wolverine.He gets his own movies. Does he need the pivotal role in the X-Men movies as well.
Skeld |
Sebastian beat me to what I cam here to say. I was a huge fan of the the DoFP storyline in the X-men comics. It's one of my top 2 favorite storylines.
That said, I'm not really concerned about how well the movie meshes with previous movies OR how faithful they are to the original story. First Class was my favorite of the X-Men movies and I'm glad to see them building off of it. All i really want is for them to tell a good story first, and a good X-Men movie second. If the movie is as good as the trailers have made it out to be, then I'll be happy with it.
-Skeld
Ambrosia Slaad |
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Hama wrote:Yeah, problem being, Kitty wasn't even born in the 70s when this is supposed to take place.And Angel isn't a acid spitting stripper with dragonfly wings. Just sayin'.
Actually, she is, more or less.
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Imbicatus wrote:Actually, she is, more or less.Hama wrote:Yeah, problem being, Kitty wasn't even born in the 70s when this is supposed to take place.And Angel isn't a acid spitting stripper with dragonfly wings. Just sayin'.
But that Angel also wasn't born in the 70s when this is supposed to take place.
Ambrosia Slaad |
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:Imbicatus wrote:Actually, she is, more or less.Hama wrote:Yeah, problem being, Kitty wasn't even born in the 70s when this is supposed to take place.And Angel isn't a acid spitting stripper with dragonfly wings. Just sayin'.But that Angel also wasn't born in the 70s when this is supposed to take place.
I made/make no claims about how she was used in the film, only that she was an existing comics character and not a movie-exclusive Rule 63 rebuild of Warren Worthington III.
Also that Angel went by Tempest and was introduced in 2001. And honestly I didn't read any X-men between 2000 and 2008. When they call someone Angel in an X-men movie, most people would think about this guy.
I didn't read my first X-Men until Uncanny #201, so that is who I picture when I think of the iconic team. I imagine readers younger than me also have different line-ups of the team in their head. Frankly, I'm not familiar with her character from the comics, but I liked her in the first movie (except the stripper aspect), certainly much better than the Warren-Angel I'm familiar with in the comics.
But I suppose you'll be happy to know...
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