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Er, in the new timeline that Wolverine retuned too, everything post-1973 is going to be different. So, it essentially resets the continuity...X1, X2, X3, Origins: Woverine, and The Woverine never happened.Really enjoyed the movie, though a bit disappointed that while it fixed some of the continuity issues, it created others.
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I realize that it resets everything post Days of Future Past, but it still doesn't explain
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Gonna watch this tonight or tomorrow night for sure. Starting to feel a little worried, because it seems that people who liked First Class liked this. I so hope that all the time travel stuff won't make the continuity of the series into a horrible pile of contradictions. It's a bad thing that I am soon going to watch an X-Men movie and I'm mostly feeling nervous and worried about that.
Lord Snow, you may not want to read this until you've seen the movie. Not really a spoiler as such (YMMV on what you consider a spoiler of course), it's more about the intent of the film as I understand it, but you may want to go in without that...
The idea as far as I understand it is to now have future movies star the McAvoy/Fassbender led cast in the new timeline. Younger versions of Cyclops, Storm and Jean Grey are set to appear, and the next film is confirmed as being set in the 80s. I think they're going to basically try and run through the history of the new timeline, or at least that's the feeling I'm getting from it.
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Gambit always had the power to keep someone listening as long as he keeps talking, it was just not referred to for a long time. Same with Nightcrawler's ability to blend into shadows.
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Gambit always had the power to keep someone listening as long as he keeps talking, it was just not referred to for a long time. Same with Nightcrawler's ability to blend into shadows.
That's true. It was a little bit less of a Suggestion and more of a Fascination like ability. It only worked if people where not aware he had it, and only worked as long as he kept speaking. The character is otherwise just naturally charming, but doesn't have any mutant ability to make people do things. For the most part, a lot of the writers didn't like the character (and continue not to) despite him being rather popular (particularly amongst female fans) since his introduction, primarily because he steps on Wolverines "badboy" loner toes a bit. Add in that the charm ability has a sort of natural mental manipulation/telepathic block that is pretty close to Wolverine's "I can't remember and it's too strong for even Prof X to fix" thing going on, there's a lot of crossover.
He however did develop secondary and tertiary mutant abilities, later on. His true mutant ability was originally dampened (an arrangement with Mr. Sinister) because he was not able to control them, but he did not need to touch in order to charge things, and could do so nearly instantly and to a greater level. Later on, he developed the secondary ability to continuously charge himself, making him faster and stronger, but still within a mostly human level. Later, he amplified that which makes his metabolism burn through most poisons quickly, and then a form of healing factor (I'm not sure if that was added when he became Death or more unlocked around that time), and now his final power (so far) in a limited ability to tell the future through cards. This one seems to be the only truly new power, where the healing, enhanced metabolism, extended life/youth, and enhanced athleticism are all directly tied to his ability to manipulate Kinetic Energy, just in different ways.
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Er, in the new timeline that Wolverine retuned too, everything post-1973 is going to be different. So, it essentially resets the continuity...X1, X2, X3, Origins: Woverine, and The Woverine never happened.Really enjoyed the movie, though a bit disappointed that while it fixed some of the continuity issues, it created others.
** spoiler omitted **To be fair, some of it could still have happened, just with altered circumstances. There's nothing to say that the Weapon X program didn't occur somehow.
Gambit always had the power to keep someone listening as long as he keeps talking, it was just not referred to for a long time. Same with Nightcrawler's ability to blend into shadows.** spoiler omitted **...I really enjoyed it. Up there with X2 and First Class, though as others I couldn't tell you which I preferred.
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I know he was always charismatic, but I thought they specifically called out the hypnotism as a secondary mutation at one stage, because it's not just that he can keep them listening, it's that after enough time he can convince them to do anything.
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I was really surprised how much I enjoyed this movie. I hadn't seen any x-men related movie since X-3 (I blame Ratner).
Anyway, the movie surpassed all my expectations, anespecially the stuff witnQuicksilver (easily the best part of the film in my opinion).
I may have to head over to Carl Jnr's now.
Wow, first good X-men movie have seen in a long time.
The following article contains spoilers, obviously. :-)
10 Burning Questions About “X-Men: Days Of Future Past,” Answered
Iiiif i could put time in a bottle...
Control metal? Hey, my mom used to know a guy who could control metal...
(Fridge moment: his speed suddenly makes sense to me. Magneto doesn't control metal, he controls one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe. His son controls time)
This movie was a amazing. Good plot, and for ONCE, the mutants actually used their powers to fight creatively . After x men 3's "we all run strait into the guys with guns!" and x mens first class "we'll spend half the movie gathering a ragtag bunch of misfits to... stand on the beach" i was wowed to see the short range teleporter tossing her allies around, magneto going to town with... a town.
and so THATS what happened to those 18 minutes on the nixon tapes...
Iiiif i could put time in a bottle...
Control metal? Hey, my mom used to know a guy who could control metal...
(Fridge moment: his speed suddenly makes sense to me. Magneto doesn't control metal, he controls one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe. His son controls time)
This movie was a amazing. Good plot, and for ONCE, the mutants actually used their powers to fight creatively . After x men 3's "we all run strait into the guys with guns!" and x mens first class "we'll spend half the movie gathering a ragtag bunch of misfits to... stand on the beach" i was wowed to see the short range teleporter tossing her allies around, magneto going to town with... a town.
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Are we certain Magneto isn't lying about JFK being a mutant? I could totally see that being a lie to relieve some of Xavier's concerns, so that he could more easily kill Mystique.
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Control metal? Hey, my mom used to know a guy who could control metal...
(Fridge moment: his speed suddenly makes sense to me. Magneto doesn't control metal, he controls one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe. His son controls time)
This movie was a amazing. Good plot, and for ONCE, the mutants actually used their powers to fight creatively . After x men 3's "we all run strait into the guys with guns!" and x mens first class "we'll spend half the movie gathering a ragtag bunch of misfits to... stand on the beach" i was wowed to see the short range teleporter tossing her allies around, magneto going to town with... a town.
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Word of God is that it was decided on as just a cool throw away idea, I don't think they intended for it to be given much thought beyond how it was presented.
BigNorseWolf: that could actually explain Scarlet Witch as well to an extent. She's just a straight up reality warper.
Additionally, I've just done a review of the film here:
Kaiju, Mutants and Robots Oh My - Godzilla & X-Men: Days of Future Past Reviews
Word of God is that it was decided on as just a cool throw away idea, I don't think they intended for it to be given much thought beyond how it was presented.
Explained in the article I linked to a few posts up.
Word of God is that it was decided on as just a cool throw away idea, I don't think they intended for it to be given much thought beyond how it was presented.Explained in the article I linked to a few posts up.
Yup, that's what I was referring to. Should have probably specified the link, put it down to my being unbelievably tired.
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I can ignore a lot of the consistancy errors that they try to fix as, I agree, just wanting Patrick Stewart back as Professor X is awesome.
But one won't stop nagging me. Wolverine Claws? Magneto fixes that in my head (though I would have liked to heard them say it). No, my problem is the grey streaks in Wolverine's hair. I get its a somewhat homage to his Comic look of the same story but NO ONE ELSE looks like they aged and ONLY he does in the future. The one who they keep talking about over and over again who doesn't age and yadda yadda ...
And then they show the fixed timeline and he still has them ... WHY!?!
I'm not angry that it looks BAD. I just want to know WHY
His hair was gray at the temples in the original comics, so it was likely a callback to that.
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His hair was gray at the temples in the original comics, so it was likely a callback to that.
That was my only guess too but it's just jarring when
Not a deal breaker but I wanted an explanation T_T
Also, the movie needed more Quicksilver even IF his power was likely overexagerated for comic effect
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So I'm back from watching the movie.
It was positivly the most awful X-Men film I've seen yet, I think... and that's after origins: Wolverine and First Class. I'm done, I'm out. Next X-Men movie I'm going to watch on the small screen.
1) Continuity issues. I mean, seriously, nobody in the future even questions the fact that Xavier is alive? That Magnito has powers again? that Kitty somehow can not only go through walls, but also send people into the past? ha? and don't anybody say that Last Stand didn't happen, because a flashback to it was explicitly shown during this movie, and Jean Grey's death, as well as Scott's, were also mentioned. Also, we know that during the war in Vietnam and the following years, Logen was busy working for Striker (who by the way was changed in this movie from his previous incarnation), so no way he wakes up next to a random chick somewhere in the U.S in those years.
2) Plenty of tiny, stupid moments. Like, for example, Beast inventing what is basically a cure for broken spines, and that having zero impact on the world. Or the scene where they break Magnito out of jail, using a plan that hinged on nobody demanding to see identification from the guard bringing the food. Oh that plan also used some unexplained super high-tech weapon that could disable all the cameras in the pentagon and set of the fire alarm. And the humans not reacting to Magnito's escape by posting guards with plastic weapons around high profile targets like the Sentinels, or the president. Also Magnito lifting an entire football stadium for basically no reason - seriously, what did lifting it even accomplish? Also, the humans not transferring Maginto's helmet to a secret location once they know he escaped - they could have just dumped it in a forest somewhere and it would be harder for him to reach it.
3) Characterization ranges between bad, cheesy, and inconsistent. Wolverine is not his amusing self at all in this movie. Xavier's arc is predictable and clumsily handled. The villain was operating without any convincing motivation - except for some barely coherent speech about how murdering some mutants will bring world peace or something. Beast doesn't have any character traits I could spot. Everyone in the future timeline had no character at all - they basically delivered robotic performances of being serious about things, and that's about it.
4) EDIT: and another thing. The entire ending of the movie sucks. That is for two reasons. The simpler is that - come one, when the sentinels arrived in the future exactly when the end-game was playing itself out in the past, was there a single person who didn't know EXACTLY how the action was going to be? the sentinels kill everyone outside and come into the room where Katie is doing her time travel magic, they shoot their lava thing, and the time travel resolves itself a fraction of a second before they hit. Why is the ending an exact, one to one rehash of the same action scene we've already seen in the beginning? when I watch the climax of a movie I want to feel tension even if I already know the good guys win eventually. But since the ending scene was known in advance, there was none of that.
The second reason that the ending sucked is that it didn't even make any sense. So a mutant single handily destroyed the impressive new robots, destroyed some very expensive things and was literally capable of executing the president of the united states on a whim... and was only stopped by another mutant who also took her sweet time contemplating murder... and people's nerves were CALMED by that debacle? The entire point was that governments were already willing to create the sentinels because of what mutants are capable of, not because of something they already did. And then the mutants show they are capable of doing just about any darn thing they please, and everyone is convinced the sentinel program is not needed anymore? This completely undermines what little character there was for the villain in the first place! and the humans still have Raven's DNA!
Honestly, I could never understand what people liked about First Class, and I'm even more confused now. First Class and Days of Future Past are by nearly every parameter I can think of bad movies. I don't think I can ever trust reviews again after watching this movie.
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So I'm back from watching the movie.
It was positivly the most awful X-Men film I've seen yet, I think... and that's after origins: Wolverine and First Class. I'm done, I'm out. Next X-Men movie I'm going to watch on the small screen.
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Well, I mean, what WOULD you call a continuity glitch then? also, that doesn't solve the continuity glitch with Origins: Wolverine.
But yeah, I agree with your 2 first points.
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1. At the end of X3, Magneto was beginning to show signs of his powers returning. And Xavier woke up in the body of a random coma patient who happened to resemble Patrick Stewart. C'mon dude, comic book movies have been having mid- and after credits scenes for quite a while now. As for Kitty's new power...it's new to the viewer. That doesn't mean that she hasn't had it for the past 5-10 years when the movie picked up. Do we really need a exposition scene where she describes her "new" powers in detail and how she got them (because she's a mutant) to someone who should already know all about it?
2. There's are some points here...but nothing that most action movies don't do. Why single this one out?
3. Perhaps humor goes out the window when you've seen practically all your friends die, and the things that killed them will shortly be arriving to kill you as well.
4. Some points, but they seem more fueled by your hatred for the movie than the other way around. Which really applied to #1-3 as well. However, one thing that both First Class and Days of Future Past have over the other five movies in the franchise? They didn't start with the ending "Wolverine saves the day" and work backwards from there.
At any rate, if the X-Men films have a convoluted and contradictory continuity, then it's a pretty good homage to the comics, which are notable for having an especially convoluted and contradictory continuity in a medium where having a convoluted and contradictory continuity in the norm.
wow....
Anyway...the continuity is and always will be messed up. The only way for them to fix that issue would have been to reboot the whole series before First Class. That probably wouldn't have been a bad idea. A lot of those continuity issues aren't a concern for viewers, because most of us like to pretend that Wolverine Origins and X3 never happened, since those movies were steaming piles of fertilizer.
I'm cool with accepting those continuity errors...given what they did to many popular characters/plots.
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I prefer MCU above all other Marvel movies.
X-Men movies come second (a closer second now that Days of Future Past made me quite happy)
Spider Man (Macguire) was second but now third due to future past
Amazing Spider man is fourth
Punisher is fifth (the one with Rebecca... o'course)
Fantastic 4 doesn't count... Ghost Rider counts but is a far, far 6th position
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At any rate, if the X-Men films have a convoluted and contradictory continuity, then it's a pretty good homage to the comics, which are notable for having an especially convoluted and contradictory continuity in a medium where having a convoluted and contradictory continuity in the norm.
1) I accept people's point that there were hints about some of this stuff planted in earlier movies, and that it's reasonable for the characters to not react to all the things that surprise the viewer. However, I still think that as a film, in order to make sense in the series, there should have been *some* exposition - for example, I think they could have dumped the exposition about how grim the future is (it's rehashed several times during the film anyway) and just explain what's up with all the characters who died being back, having new powers, etc.
2) I don't like most action movies. The good ones usually have way less of those small "ha? did anyone use their brain while writing this scene?" moments. In this movie, all of the action scenes in the past were based on some ridiculous premise that will be used without any consequences later.
3) I wasn't commenting on the fact that they are humorless, only on the fact that they barely seem to care. I get that they are tired from constantly being on the run for a long time, so there's a scripted justification for that... but the result is still entire scenes where everyone sits around, mostly immobile, talking in flat tones and stony expressions. Kind of like certain bad scenes in the latter 2 Matrix films. Justified or not, I can't help but feel that the acting in those scenes was very minimal.
4) Well, I mean, they're not fueled by my hatred to the movie, they are part of the reason for it. When the final action scene started I whispered to my brother sitting next to me, "the robots kill everyone outside and time lapses back as they shoot their lava beam at Wolverine", and indeed that was exactly what happened, which to me means it's a bad script. Then, a couple minuted after the movie was on and I was thinking about it, I realized that the idea that after the climax of the movie humanity was giving up it's fear of mutants is 100% impossible and negates many of the earlier themes the movie was setting up. It's really just a bad ending every way you look at it. It's objectively bad. What happens is that I think most people don't care about those points, for some reason.
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Oh, and I just realized another thing.
The plot anecdote about the Sentinels of the future being able to spot and kill people who's genes carry the possibility of future mutation... this one makes roughly zero sense. Just check every baby before it's born, and if it has the potential for mutation, perform an abortion. Or, if you're super paranoid about the possibility of people somehow having mutant babies in secret, just tack those with the potential to give birth to mutants and sterilize them. No killing is ever necessary. I will admit that this one is nitpicking, but still, you'd think the people who actually wrote the script and were working on it for weeks or months would notice something like that.
A lot of your complaints seems to hinge on the fact that humanity is omniscient which is, you know, a pretty big assumption. (hint: we're not).
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A lot of your complaints seems to hinge on the fact that humanity is omniscient which is, you know, a pretty big assumption. (hint: we're not).
If you were referring to my latest comment about figuring out who is going to be born a mutant... I was only responding to a part in the movie where it is explained that in the bleak future, sentinels do not kill only mutants, but also anyone who carries the potential for bringing mutant offsprings. So it's about the science fiction in the movie you should complain about in this case, not my ability to give it more thought than the screenwritres did. Or maybe they did think about it but figured that since people watching the movie are unlikely to think about it seriously, it's better to go with the option that sounds cooler and more sinister. Either way I'm not pleased, as I prefer movies that take themselves seriously to also be intelligent.
The original sentinels in the Future past storyline decided that ALL humans were too dangerous, so they had to take control. The various results of the different generations of sentinels were special, too. One group decided that since the Sun was the source of all mutations, they wanted to take it out. They were never heard from again.
Honestly, such plots the 70s and 80s had...
Oh, and I just realized another thing.
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you could make that argument about nearly every genocidal regime. Hint: the type of people who authorize death camps to begin with are probably not going to be swayed by that sort of logic.
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you could make that argument about nearly every genocidal regime. Hint: the type of people who authorize death camps to begin with are probably not going to be swayed by that sort of logic.Oh, and I just realized another thing.
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Just sayin', it's way cheaper to sterilize someone than to send one of those billion dollar robot things to hunt them. Also I don't know that you can really compare this to any existing genocidal regime because mutation is a bit more tricky than, say, being of a certain nationality. Would the Nazis have killed true Arian if there was a chance they'd (somehow) give birth to Jews? unclear, since it didn't happen.
Also since the robots can home in on anyone with any chance to ever bring a mutant into being... wouldn't the people who designed them that way be in serious danger too? wouldn't you rather be cautious with something like that?
The original sentinels in the Future past storyline decided that ALL humans were too dangerous, so they had to take control. The various results of the different generations of sentinels were special, too. One group decided that since the Sun was the source of all mutations, they wanted to take it out. They were never heard from again.Honestly, such plots the 70s and 80s had...
I only ever read one X-Men book that I found discarded somewhere. If I recall correctly, by the end of it Xavier managed to gain control of Magneto's mind, reverse his metal controlling ability such that Magneto essentially became the most powerful magnet ever. That encased him in this huge ball of metal, which Xavier then launched to space (using magneto's powers) towards the sun. Somehow I'm guessing that's not the last time Magneto was ever seen, right?
Lord snow, you reaaaaly need to start hanging around after the credits in marvel movies. Most of the "plot holes" fill in there
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I mean that it's a pretty classic quirk to expect people in fiction to behave a lot more 'perfectly rational' than they ever would in reality.
Also since the robots can home in on anyone with any chance to ever bring a mutant into being... wouldn't the people who designed them that way be in serious danger too? wouldn't you rather be cautious with something like that?
Oh, indeedy me. Just ask Bolivar Trask of the comics. See, he happened to BE a mutant, and what let him do what he did was this. His early sentinel gang killed him for it. Genius, huh?
The future sentinels assumed power in a coup, assumingly by killing off all the leading politicians.
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Lord snow, you reaaaaly need to start hanging around after the credits in marvel movies. Most of the "plot holes" fill in there
Watched every single one of them in all the Marvel movies to date... the one in this one seemed to be more of a foreshadowing for the next one and didn't fill any plot hole. I assume you mean
The one in Last Stand where Magneto is shown to still retain some powers and Xavier is hinted to maybe be alive somehow? If that's the case, then I don't consider that enough. A movie can't relay on the after credit scenes of a previous movie to make sense. Even if you think it can, I still think the leap from "Magneto slightly moves a chess piece and Xavier maybe somehow alive" to "they are both alive and fully functional" is a bit much to do without even a single second of screen time to explain it. It's a matter of taste, I guess.
Was it just me or did the sentinel that breathes fire strongly resemble the destroyer from Thor?
Was it just me or did the sentinel that breathes fire strongly resemble the destroyer from Thor?
That was my first thought as well, they do look quite similar to the destroyer.
Saw the movie this weekend and though that it was one of, if not the best of the bunch barring First Class only. I have no issues with any 'supposed' continuity problems as this sort of thing is par for the course as far as the Xmen go...edit that...and Marvel comics in general.
I think Comic sentinels don't work that well in live action...I was honestly happy with how the retro versions turned out, although it was a bit disappointing the retro ones didn't get to do much.
Lord snow, you reaaaaly need to start hanging around after the credits in marvel movies. Most of the "plot holes" fill in thereWatched every single one of them in all the Marvel movies to date... the one in this one seemed to be more of a foreshadowing for the next one and didn't fill any plot hole. I assume you mean
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Ok, so in the weeks? in between the movie and the end credits he gets a little of his powers back, you need an explanation for thirty years of recovery time getting him all of his powers back? Thats not the sort of thing i think needs explaining to viewers.
The only thing that needed explaining about charles being around is why he looked like Patrick Stewart. That's because they wanted Patrick Stewart there. Because he's awesome. I suppose a Kenny-esque montage of him repeatedly dying and being blown up by sentinels and re appearing in peoples bodies would have done it but the movie was already pretty long.
The retro sentinels reminded me of mid-generation Macintosh computer design, which I thought was perfect for "futuristic" 1970's robots.
When Magneto was looking at the Sentinel schematics, how was he keeping the shotglass levitating?
Magnetism is not just the ability to control metal. Its one of the four fundamental forces of the universe. EVERYTHING could theoretically be manipulated with that power.
Or there was lead in the crystal