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GreyWolfLord wrote:
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8/25 answers the question about Quicksilver being in both X-Men and MCU...

10/25 - awwwww... baby Colossus

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Bishop was a nice touch. I wonder if they are going to keep him in the future only or have him time travel like in the comics?

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oh, he's bound to travel back... ;)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
25 moments in history

8/25 answers the question about Quicksilver being in both X-Men and MCU...

No. 8/25 does not have anything to do with the MCU. 25 Moments is Fox's fictional supplement to the X-men movie franchise alone. The two characters in each story are completely unrelated and will never exist in the same continuity.

The question about Quicksilver being in both has to do with legal rights and the fact that Fox had NO intention to use the character at all in this film UNTIL Whedon announced the twins would be in Avengers II. Fox then rushed to press release within a week and force-added Quicksilver to the script and production in order to protect their rights to shared-usage of the characters.
Meanwhile they're using that character to sell Carls Jr. breakfast sandwiches... o.O

Don't get me wrong... I've enjoyed the X-men franchise for the most part since the first release. But this? This was a jerk maneuver and doesn't serve to improve a story they already had pressure to do well because of the legacy of the Days of Future Past title.

Pan wrote:

Is quicksilver supposed to be an emo-douche? I saw a 60 second trailer with him in it and it was unbearable. Hope his part is very small in the movie.

When originally announced, Singer had said that he had a some really awesome action sequence in mind that he was perfect for so he was being added. The trailer would seem to indicate more of a role than that.

In the comic book, Quicksilver is arrogant and constantly frustrated, largely due to a living in a world where he is pretty much waiting for everyone else to catch up in one way or another because from his perspective they are all so torturously slow.
I feel pretty confident that this kid's characterization will lack that kind of nuance.

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what? he's selling breakfast sandwiches? i must have missed that in the trailer (pretty sure I saw quicksilver in the trailer that was shown on Conan)


This commercial started airing directly after Captain America's opening weekend.

There's another one featuring Mystique "manning up" in order to eat an especially large bacon burger...(though I do not think it is Jennifer Lawrence in the commercial.) That one had aired before Captain America opened.

Now it's no inherently bad thing for a movie to do cross-promotional product tie-ins... but there are degrees to which this is just (forgive the pun) in bad taste.

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yeah quicksilver eating the breakfast sandwich... dumb

thanks for showing me this; I love lowering my expectations before a movie


Stupid commercial is stupid. Still hope the movie is good.

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SeeDarkly_X wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
25 moments in history

8/25 answers the question about Quicksilver being in both X-Men and MCU...

No. 8/25 does not have anything to do with the MCU. 25 Moments is Fox's fictional supplement to the X-men movie franchise alone. The two characters in each story are completely unrelated and will never exist in the same continuity.

I heard the Quicksilver that's on 8/25 *does* show up in the movie, but apparently it's one the briefest appearance for a character known to mankind. The rumor is that it has literally been shoe-horned into the movie. I also heard rumors that a lot of people at the top are staring at this movie in disbelief: they own the X-Men rights, have tons of great actors on the cast, but they managed to screw things up massively on this one. Those same people are looking at Captain America (a guy with minor visible powers at best) and throwing fits of rage not understanding how it's making SO MUCH MONEY.

I have a hint for those people: if you're gonna make a superhero movie, stay close to the source material. Days of Future Past is perhaps one of the best, hands down comic story ever written. How about you do it right and think less of breakfast sandwiches and poolside views...


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
25 moments in history

8/25 answers the question about Quicksilver being in both X-Men and MCU...

No. 8/25 does not have anything to do with the MCU. 25 Moments is Fox's fictional supplement to the X-men movie franchise alone. The two characters in each story are completely unrelated and will never exist in the same continuity.

I heard the Quicksilver that's on 8/25 *does* show up in the movie, but apparently it's one the briefest appearance for a character known to mankind. The rumor is that it has literally been shoe-horned into the movie. I also heard rumors that a lot of people at the top are staring at this movie in disbelief: they own the X-Men rights, have tons of great actors on the cast, but they managed to screw things up massively on this one. Those same people are looking at Captain America (a guy with minor visible powers at best) and throwing fits of rage not understanding how it's making SO MUCH MONEY.

I have a hint for those people: if you're gonna make a superhero movie, stay close to the source material. Days of Future Past is perhaps one of the best, hands down comic story ever written. How about you do it right and think less of breakfast sandwiches and poolside views...

I am confused on what you are getting at. Quicksilver is definitely in the Age of Ultron, but has a completely different origin from the X-men universe Quicksilver and is played by a different actor. Given that the X-men/mutants are not part of MCU, why would you think the X-men version of Quicksilver would be in the MCU, even as an additional weird cameo?

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no: quicksilver shows up in Days of Future Past apparently... and for the better part of 10 seconds from what I heard

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i'm aware that pietro and wanda will be in Age of Ultron, and I'm also aware they've been done right (i.e. they're not using pietro just to sell breakfast sandwich it seems)

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I think this discussion dances around the most important issue:

Which of the X-men characters is the most appropriate to use in marketing a breakfast sandwhich?

I'm going with the Blob because I'm lazy and that's the obvious answer.


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Sebastian wrote:

I think this discussion dances around the most important issue:

Which of the X-men characters is the most appropriate to use in marketing a breakfast sandwhich?

I'm going with the Blob because I'm lazy and that's the obvious answer.

Batman. It's clearly Batman.

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i'm gonna go with Destiny because she would kick ass in a double blind study to determine which breakfast sandwich is best


This thread wins the award for most unintentionally funny. I keep thinking about how Quicksilver is hawking sandwhiches at Carls Juniors and its making me crack up.


Sebastian wrote:

I think this discussion dances around the most important issue:

Which of the X-men characters is the most appropriate to use in marketing a breakfast sandwhich?

I'm going with the Blob because I'm lazy and that's the obvious answer.

Well, since there's plenty of time for re-shoots (and more importantly, I'm not spending my money) they should recast Quicksilver's actor with Jack Gleeson or Joffrey Bieber. Then Joffreysilver stars in a commercial eating the breakfast sandwich of whichever fast food chain pays up the least.

The sequel would involve Joffreysilver trying to eat a breakfast sandwich but failing when TyrionTrask slaps it out of his mouth. And then a NuSentinel kills him, 'cause Joffrey.


Where are you seeing early reports of this movie beng bad? Every commercial/trailer looks great. It also doesnt appear that hes getting shoehorned in? If anything maybe Rogue and Storm will as Berry is very pregant during the shoot


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I heard the Quicksilver that's on 8/25 *does* show up in the movie, but apparently it's one the briefest appearance for a character known to mankind. The rumor is that it has literally been shoe-horned into the movie. I also heard rumors that a lot of people at the top are staring at this movie in disbelief: they own the X-Men rights, have tons of great actors on the cast, but they managed to screw things up massively on this one. Those same people are looking at Captain America (a guy with minor visible powers at best) and throwing fits of rage not understanding how it's making SO MUCH MONEY.

If I understand you correctly, (And I'm not sure I do) I'll clarify my point at least... but we may be agreeing on some things.

Yes, whatever is in the "25 moments" is likely to be included in the X-men Film... because it's a promotional gimmick for that film... but is entirely irrelevant to the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" as all Xmen movies are.
The 8/25 moment actually illustrates how specifically different the two Quicksilvers are because, according to 8/25, XMU's Quicksilver has to be of age to compete in the 1974(or there about) Olympics... which would mean he and his twin sister would be 40 years or more older by the year 2015.
Since we know the MCU is set in current times and the twins have been shown to be younger than their 50's... there is clearly no relation.

Also... it's not rumor that it was shoehorned in. It's confirm-able fact. The X-men script had no indication of including Quicksilver. At all. The majority of the cast for DoFP was assembled (no pun intended) and Evan Peters was not included prior to May of last year... literally announced 6 days after Joss Whedon's news that the twins would be in A2:AoU.
Peters role in DoFP will very likely not add anything of value to the story. This was blatantly a marketing/legal maneuver no matter what spin they otherwise put on it.

And everything made available to the press at this point has made it clear that it was a reactionary move by Fox; either to protect their rights to the characters, to generate EXACTLY this kind of buzz hinged on the debate of which is being done better, to just outright screw Marvel over because they hate them, or all the above.
Marvel on the other hand continues to trust its creative teams to build the best story. On their side of things, you never see them "react." They simply do what they were going to do, and DC, Fox, Sony, etc... go ape$#!t trying to find their way to hang on the coattails of however Marvel excites their fanbase.
And you aren't wrong about how it seems so screwed up now. This is DAYS OF FUTURE PAST! This is a LEGACY comic book story from the X-men. It was groundbreaking. Historic. It stands as iconic among their stories. The covers to those books are recognizable to people who have not even read them.
Fox screws this up, it won't be forgiven and it won't be pretty.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a serious fan effort petitioning for the company to sell the rights back to Marvel. (That can't really work, but I'd kind of love to see it happen anyway.)

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I agree with you SeeDarkly. What I want to see is Marvel suing Fox for the rights back.

"You have not respected our literature and source material, which we have allowed you to use under license, under certain conditions, and have caused irreparable damage to our X-Men brand. You have constantly and blatantly undermined our other ventures with the said licensed material, while we made efforts to respect the deal and not use the characters we have licensed to you."

What I'm wondering is: how long was the license duration when issued? Doesn't this thing revert back after X years (no pun intended). If it's a forever deal that's just incredibly stupid of Marvel and they might deserve what they're getting, and if I was them I would instead try to make a deal to "join" the universes in order to mitigate the ongoing damage and allow Fox to reboot X-Men to harmonize them to MCU.

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...and wouldn't that be something if the rebooted X-Men would be explained by the time-traveling done in Days of Future Past? :)

Man I would love to see Downey Junior pick on Hugh Jackman. :)


First Captain America 2 is a very good movie and so is Avengers and Iron man 1. Captain America is less of a super hero movie and more of a Spy thriller/action movie. I find myself recomending it to people that really dont like super hero movies

Thor 1, 2, Iron man 2&3, Hulk 2 are average movies at best so Disney does not do everything right. I wont even mention Hulk 1

I enjoyed x-men first class and would rather rewatch it over Iron man sequels, first Hulk etc. Same goes with the last wolverine movie although i agree with you that why cant they do a Wolverine movie with the same thought/care of Captain America.

I cant find any early reviews of this movie or any thoughts that Fox is worried (your Google skills are far superior to mine)? Its giant robots vs super heroes so it sells itself. If Quicksilver has a small role in movie that is fine with me as theres so many other kid favorites that should get more screentime (isnt he dead in the comic version of story?). I still expect it to be one of the bigger summer blockbusters although i am worried about the Singer allegations

Do you think the Marvel Avenger Quicksilver will get much more screentime? Hes also going to be competing with more kid favorites. Have to assume he starts off as a bad guy and by end of movie becomes a good guy? Ulton will be the main villian

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Yes. The Marvel Avenger Quicksilver will get much more screen time. Much, much, much, much more screen time.

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in fact, his current screen time, to date (i.e. end of Cap America) probably already exceeds the DoFP Quicksilver screen time. :)


so if he gets more who loses screen time? Hawkeye eliminated all together?

Speculation that they initially work with Ulton? Does Ultron get created and then stolen by Hydra or is it a 3rd faction?

Back on topic does Quicksilver get more screen time in x-men over

1)Storm? Strong possibillity based on her pregnancy
2) Rogue? I say yes
3) Collossus- Could be close
4)Bishop-Probbably not
5 Iceman-Iceman probably gets more
6) Kitty-Maybe Kitty

Based on trailer hes involved with at least one mission. Not sure they will cover who hes related 2


wicked cool wrote:

so if he gets more who loses screen time? Hawkeye eliminated altogether

I hope not Hawkeye was one of my favorite characters even if he spent 3/4ths of the movie as a semi-villain

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Hulk 1 doesn't count. It's not part of the MCU. It was a horrible abomination that cemented the end of Ang Lee's career as a director. Screw him and his pigeons.


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End of his career?

Ang Lee directed Brokeback Mountain and Life of Pi, I hardly think his directorial career ruined by Hulk.

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On the topic of the movie, as much as I loved Fassbender's portrayal of Magneto in First Class, and as much as I love seeing McKellen and Stewart on screen together, I highly doubt I'll be seeing this in theaters.

I haven't liked any of the X-Men/Wolverine movies since X2, and this is looking like more of the same. Better, certainly, than the last 2 Wolverine movies, but not enough to coax the monies out of my wallet for a theater seat.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

I agree with you SeeDarkly. What I want to see is Marvel suing Fox for the rights back.

What I'm wondering is: how long was the license duration when issued? Doesn't this thing revert back after X years (no pun intended). If it's a forever deal that's just incredibly stupid of Marvel and they might deserve what they're getting, and if I was them I would instead try to make a deal to "join" the universes in order to mitigate the ongoing damage and allow Fox to reboot X-Men to harmonize them to MCU.

Part of the hatred Fox has for Marvel is that Marvel IS actively pursuing a means to reacquire all properties if they can find a legitimate and fair way to do it. Marvel made Fox and Sony offers that were turned down.

I do not know the details on "duration to reversion" but I suspect "non-usage" is a deciding factor, which is ABSOLUTELY why DoFP has a version of Quicksilver now. Using the character secures the legitimacy of their hold on it for future projects, but not using it could adversely affect their claim to keep the character. I would ALSO expect to see Fox include Scarlet Witch in X:men-Apocalypse for the same reasons.

Long ago... no one could get their hands on the Fantastic Four film rights because Roger Corman snapped them up, but didn't use them to make a film for years. In order to maintain his claim on those film rights, he literally threw together the worst Fantastic 4 film ever... it is garbage, but it allowed him to keep the rights longer because he did that.
There is WAY more to that story... but I would assume it has been standard that these deals extend based on usage.

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Dal Selpher wrote:

End of his career?

Ang Lee directed Brokeback Mountain and Life of Pi, I hardly think his directorial career ruined by Hulk.

Found both features extremely bad to be honest. Yeah.


Hama wrote:
Found both features extremely bad to be honest. Yeah.

Both films, regardless of your or my lack of enjoyment, won him an Oscar. His career is still doing just fine. =P

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Oscar is no sign of quality. Hasn't been for years.


Quality is no sign of a successful career either, Michael Bay has been proof of that for years. <rimshot!> <sad trumpet!>

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The entire reason why Spider Man 4 was cancelled and Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire were booted in favor of a reboot was they were taking too long to make a film and Sony wanted to move ahead NOW to maintain rights.

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havoc xiii wrote:
wicked cool wrote:

so if he gets more who loses screen time? Hawkeye eliminated altogether

I hope not Hawkeye was one of my favorite characters even if he spent 3/4ths of the movie as a semi-villain

Cap 2 seems to hint Romanoff and Barton are dating... i'm guessing Avengers 2 is where we'll see that... ahem... "explored" ahem :P

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Imbicatus wrote:

The entire reason why Spider Man 4 was cancelled and Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire were booted in favor of a reboot was they were taking too long to make a film and Sony wanted to move ahead NOW to maintain rights.

that sucks... I would have liked a story about an older Peter in his 30's (like the current comics version); in the comics I believe he was teaching for a while

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thejeff wrote:

It does kind of annoy me that it's another Wolverine focused movie. Kitty worked so well in the original story because she was the new X-Man and a child, so it gave us the chance to see her as a competent adult and as a contrast to her youthful naivete.

I'm not sure who would best fit that in the movieverse (or the current comics one, for that matter). I'd just rather it wasn't Wolverine.
He gets his own movies. Does he need the pivotal role in the X-Men movies as well.

Wolverine hijacked the entire X-Men franchise years ago. It's pretty much the same thing that Harrison Smith did to "Lost in Space". He IS the character that resonates with the movie public. It also helps that among the X-Men, Hugh Jackson is the only decent actor.


wow going to disagree with the only decent actor comment. Sure theres some stinkers in there but theres a ton of talent in this latest movie.

Maguire was getting 2 old and Spiderman 3 was horrible. It was time for a reboot and clearly they have plans for this franchise's future. I think Sony has done a good job with these movies its just too bad theres no crossover's


Hama wrote:
Oscar is no sign of quality. Hasn't been for years.

Ah, but it absolutely is a sign of someone's flourishing career - which contradicts your erroneous statement of "cemented the end of Ang Lee's career as a director".

Hulk had no impact on Ang Lee's career.

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Arnwyn wrote:
Hama wrote:
Oscar is no sign of quality. Hasn't been for years.

Ah, but it absolutely is a sign of someone's flourishing career - which contradicts your erroneous statement of "cemented the end of Ang Lee's career as a director".

Hulk had no impact on Ang Lee's career.

I liked Hulk 1... *ducks* RUNS! *ducks some more*

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I'll always like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, even if I really don't care for anything else Ang Lee has done.


If we're done arguing about Ang Lee's career...

I liked X-Men, X-Men 2, and First Class. I even thought the last wolverine movie was decent (not good, exactly, but decent). I'll go see Days of Future Past on a Sunday afternoon.


I didn't think the first wolverine movie was spectacular, but it at least had some semblance of the story.

I absolutely hated the last Wolverine movie that came out. Beyond skirting some of the story items from the comics (though I suppose some of them could occur later), I was bored stiff through much of it.


I actually kind of liked the second one. Better than the first anyway. Tried to work in a little too much. One too many surprise villain reveals at the end, nor did it really need to do the whole Wolverine's lost his healing powers thing.

OTOH, I liked both Yukio and Mariko a lot. Both of them had stuff to do and got to hold their own, which was cool.

I do really think they should stop adapting (or sort of adapting) old comics stories and just tell their own.


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SeeDarkly_X wrote:

This commercial started airing directly after Captain America's opening weekend.

There's another one featuring Mystique "manning up" in order to eat an especially large bacon burger...(though I do not think it is Jennifer Lawrence in the commercial.) That one had aired before Captain America opened.

Now it's no inherently bad thing for a movie to do cross-promotional product tie-ins... but there are degrees to which this is just (forgive the pun) in bad taste.

They might as well, because Carl's Jr. food is some seriously mutated s@%# right there.


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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

I agree with you SeeDarkly. What I want to see is Marvel suing Fox for the rights back.

What I'm wondering is: how long was the license duration when issued? Doesn't this thing revert back after X years (no pun intended). If it's a forever deal that's just incredibly stupid of Marvel and they might deserve what they're getting, and if I was them I would instead try to make a deal to "join" the universes in order to mitigate the ongoing damage and allow Fox to reboot X-Men to harmonize them to MCU.

Part of the hatred Fox has for Marvel is that Marvel IS actively pursuing a means to reacquire all properties if they can find a legitimate and fair way to do it. Marvel made Fox and Sony offers that were turned down.

I do not know the details on "duration to reversion" but I suspect "non-usage" is a deciding factor, which is ABSOLUTELY why DoFP has a version of Quicksilver now. Using the character secures the legitimacy of their hold on it for future projects, but not using it could adversely affect their claim to keep the character. I would ALSO expect to see Fox include Scarlet Witch in X:men-Apocalypse for the same reasons.

Long ago... no one could get their hands on the Fantastic Four film rights because Roger Corman snapped them up, but didn't use them to make a film for years. In order to maintain his claim on those film rights, he literally threw together the worst Fantastic 4 film ever... it is garbage, but it allowed him to keep the rights longer because he did that.
There is WAY more to that story... but I would assume it has been standard that these deals extend based on usage.

Don't blame Corman. Constantin Film, a German production company, bought the rights in the mid-80s. The couldn't find a major studio willing to pick up the tab and serve as a distributor. Corman was just the guy they got to agree to produce a low budget film on a tight schedule so they could beat the deadline to hold on to the rights.


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First Class is my favorite of the X men movies. 1, 2, and the second Wolverine movie were "okay". The first Wolverine as well as X-men 3 were total crap.

The biggest problem I have with the movies is they tend to focus too much on Wolverine (and to a lesser extant Dr. Xavier and Magneto), and until recently they have really struggled to include new villains. Also the movies try way way to hard to included too many characters, most of which serve no roll in the film or end up being "in name only" versions of the characters.

I mean the Fox studios Quicksilver is a good example of doing things wrong. The big key element of his character that the MCU can't touch is the fact that Magneto is his dad. Based on what I have so so far...that is not being touch upon at all, even though it would be an interesting new direction for Magneto and Quicksilver.


Ninja in the Rye wrote:
SeeDarkly_X wrote:

Long ago... no one could get their hands on the Fantastic Four film rights because Roger Corman snapped them up, but didn't use them to make a film for years. In order to maintain his claim on those film rights, he literally threw together the worst Fantastic 4 film ever... it is garbage, but it allowed him to keep the rights longer because he did that.

There is WAY more to that story... but I would assume it has been standard that these deals extend based on usage.
Don't blame Corman. Constantin Film, a German production company, bought the rights in the mid-80s. The couldn't find a major studio willing to pick up the tab and serve as a distributor. Corman was just the guy they got to...

Like I said... there is WAY more to the story. I was using summarizing at best, but my point was that, while I don't know all the intricacies of media law, there is that particular example to illustrate how and why Fox moved to use the Quicksilver character as they have in this instance.

And historically, by way the Corman example, this tactic has lent itself to hasty productions lacking in quality.

I'm not down on Corman... I LOVED Black Scorpion! (featuring a special guest porn star every week! LOL )

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I liked Hulk 1... *ducks* RUNS! *ducks some more*

There is no "Hulk 1 & 2." There's Hulk & The Incredible Hulk and "Incredible" was not a sequel; it was a reboot distancing itself from "Hulk."

In the same way the X-men and MCU movies are unrelated... are two entirely different "franchises" and their stories (outside of the core material drawn from their seminal sources) have nothing to do with one another.

Ang Lee gets some credit in my mind for style. He had a very creative way of paneling shots to make the movie feel quite a bit like a comic book and that was kind of cool. Might have been better with better effects and story though.

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To be honest, the only Singer product I have liked was Triangle, (pretty sure it was a tv miniseries).

Was not terribly impressed with any of the X-Men movies, though 1st Class was decent, not great. I don't like his style as a director, so I'm not really all that interested in DoFP. The previews look good, and I want to be wrong, but I just can't make myself believe it.

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"Devil's Advocate" wrote:

To be honest, the only Singer product I have liked was Triangle, (pretty sure it was a tv miniseries).

You didn't like "The Usual Suspects"?!?

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