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If not specified do undefeated barriers get reshuffled into their location deck?

Silver Crusade

Yes. From page 11 of the rulebook:

Quote:
If you fail to defeat any bane, it is considered undefeated and is shuffled back into the location deck.


You know I just picked up on a subtlety today with some of the barriers, specifically those with the Cache traits, "If undefeated you may banish this card."

I might choose to not banish it, depending on what is inside...


Exactly :)

If you're in a rush you can ignore the chest full of loot. If you've got time to go and find a crowbar you can come back later!


The one exception is Ambush.

A player had a situation where Ambush was last card in a location so there were no monsters to pull.

The designer called that Ambush gets banished after you check for monsters.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q51a?Ambush-with-no-monsters-remaining

I have a house rule that Ambush gets random monster from box instead of the location.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, I never understood why Ambush scouted the location deck for a monster instead of just summoning a random one. It's actually a good barrier to run into and fail your check to avoid, because it lets you scout the location.


Fromper wrote:
Yeah, I never understood why Ambush scouted the location deck for a monster instead of just summoning a random one. It's actually a good barrier to run into and fail your check to avoid, because it lets you scout the location.

...because it's an Ambush :)

It's great because it gives you a decision to make: do I fail it and face a monster with a penalty (but scout the deck) or pass it and carry on as I was before?

Would be nice to have more of these failing-isn't-all-bad type banes!


h4ppy wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Yeah, I never understood why Ambush scouted the location deck for a monster instead of just summoning a random one. It's actually a good barrier to run into and fail your check to avoid, because it lets you scout the location.

...because it's an Ambush :)

It's great because it gives you a decision to make: do I fail it and face a monster with a penalty (but scout the deck) or pass it and carry on as I was before?

Would be nice to have more of these failing-isn't-all-bad type banes!

I scout the deck one card at a time from the top until I find a monster to lower the chances of seeing more than I have to.


@Wes - I think that's how you're meant to do it!


I thought you had to shuffle location deck after you encounter the monster.

Silver Crusade

Hector Garza wrote:
I thought you had to shuffle location deck after you encounter the monster.

You do. But seeing what other cards were there before you found the monster still lets you know what's in that deck, so it's a good scouting opportunity.

Maybe you'll see a barrier card, and know which character in your group would be best to deal with it. Maybe you'll see a boon that will be particularly good for one particular character, so you want the person most likely to acquire it to head to that location.

You won't know the order of the cards, but knowing which ones are there can still be useful.


Be aware though that simply 'shuffling' does not give you the opportunity to look through the deck, such as when you shuffle an undefeated monster back in. Just to clarify.

Silver Crusade

OberonViking wrote:
Be aware though that simply 'shuffling' does not give you the opportunity to look through the deck, such as when you shuffle an undefeated monster back in. Just to clarify.

Right. I was talking in the context of using the Ambush barrier as a scouting tool.


Fromper wrote:
OberonViking wrote:
Be aware though that simply 'shuffling' does not give you the opportunity to look through the deck, such as when you shuffle an undefeated monster back in. Just to clarify.
Right. I was talking in the context of using the Ambush barrier as a scouting tool.

Yep, I could tell you understood, just thought to make it clear.

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