Snow_Tiger |
List general build concepts with constitution as highest stat. Doesnt necessarily have to be combat viable, could just be a fun idea
I'll start:
-pretty much any scarred witch doctor
-good long distance runner(endurance, fleet, run, haste)
-just can't seem to die (lots of hp, high fort, ferocity, fight on, heroic defiance, etc)
lemeres |
1st level Human barbarian. Took power attack and extra rage first level, and he took the appropriate "of the society" trait. He rages for 17 round/day.
Admittedly, the CON had little to do with all of that.
Here is another idea: that barbarian later takes eldritch heritage: arcane and gets a familiar. A familiar gets half of his HP, and all of his BAB, saves, and skills. He now has the fiercest hawk you have ever seen.
Stome |
1st level Human barbarian. Took power attack and extra rage first level, and he took the appropriate "of the society" trait. He rages for 17 round/day.
Admittedly, the CON had little to do with all of that.
Here is another idea: that barbarian later takes eldritch heritage: arcane and gets a familiar. A familiar gets half of his HP, and all of his BAB, saves, and skills. He now has the fiercest hawk you have ever seen.
Huh I like this last one. That's clever. Go full on with toughness, Favored class bonus into hp. Is there any traits that give hp? If so rock that. Now you have a familiar with more hp then most of your party. Now that sounds like fun.
Stome |
Gnome cleric thats fond of using shield other.
"OOooOOoo.. sword to kidney.. kidney wounds tickle!"
I feel i must be missing something here. Why Gnome? Also life Oracle with life link would work better for this idea. Then you could easily be the damage sponge for several party members. Add the fey foundling trait so you can hell yourself up really well.
The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad |
I'm just gonna be obvious here and synthesize Iemeres' and Phasics' suggestions: Scarred Orc Witchdoctor with Eldritch Heritage to get a familiar. RAW gets a bit iffy as SOW loses witch familiar but wizard/sorcerer levels stack for witch familiars but possibly not other way around. Im not sure which familiar (Ha!) the SOW would get and how it would progress but thats nothing you couldnt discuss with the DM/GM
BigNorseWolf |
BigNorseWolf wrote:I feel i must be missing something here. Why Gnome? Also life Oracle with life link would work better for this idea. Then you could easily be the damage sponge for several party members. Add the fey foundling trait so you can hell yourself up really well.Gnome cleric thats fond of using shield other.
"OOooOOoo.. sword to kidney.. kidney wounds tickle!"
1) because i'm not that familiar with a lot of the newer clases/archtypes etc
2) who but a gnome would WANT to experience being stabbed in the kidneys moer times than they had to?
3) Charisma and con, which if you're going to channel for you and your buddies go great together.
Stome |
I really want to try a life Oracle/Barb/Rage Prophet with this line of thought. Sadly Rage Prophet is pretty bad (you can get higher lvl spells and better BaB with simply a Oracle/Barb multiclass.) Still there might be something workable with this idea. I would have to give it a closer look then I have time for right now.
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lemeres |
One of my players have thought about a Summoner with his main stat as Con so he can give more hp to his pet.
Definitely workable. If they act as only a caster, they need little in the other physical stats. And since they are not working against save DC's much, they can just get the minimum CHA to cast.
Phasics |
I really want to try a life Oracle/Barb/Rage Prophet with this line of thought. Sadly Rage Prophet is pretty bad (you can get higher lvl spells and better BaB with simply a Oracle/Barb multiclass.) Still there might be something workable with this idea. I would have to give it a closer look then I have time for right now.
Rage Prophet is a trap ;)
it'll always fall short of your expectations, I mean it works...kinda, but ...yeah .
Dragonchess Player |
Dwarf stonelord paladin with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) and Improved Familiar (Earth Elemental or Earth Mephit). Since a stonelord paladin still has Lay On Hands, the 13+ Cha to qualify for Eldritch Heritage still provides a benefit beyond a bonus on social skill checks.
Dragonchess Player |
Stome wrote:I really want to try a life Oracle/Barb/Rage Prophet with this line of thought. Sadly Rage Prophet is pretty bad (you can get higher lvl spells and better BaB with simply a Oracle/Barb multiclass.) Still there might be something workable with this idea. I would have to give it a closer look then I have time for right now.Rage Prophet is a trap ;)
it'll always fall short of your expectations, I mean it works...kinda, but ...yeah .
It depends on your expectations. For a more thorough discussion, there's this thread from February, but if your expectation was something along the lines of a "divine eldritch knight" (or the 3.5 fist of Raziel from Book of Exalted Deeds), then yes, the rage prophet will fall short.
The main benefits of the rage prophet (IMO) are:
1) Savage Seer improving both rage powers and oracle revelations simultaneously (at least those with level-dependent benefits)
2) Ragecaster boosting the CL (and DCs) of spells
If you're not looking at a character that will benefit from those two benefits, then the rage prophet is not a good fit.
lemeres |
Dwarf stonelord paladin with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) and Improved Familiar (Earth Elemental or Earth Mephit). Since a stonelord paladin still has Lay On Hands, the 13+ Cha to qualify for Eldritch Heritage still provides a benefit beyond a bonus on social skill checks.
Earth elemental might be the most battle ready familiar as far as I know. This comes from the fact that familiars cannot get any extra feats, and earth elementals start off with power attack. A decent strength and improved bullrush are also nice for a melee partner, as well as earthglide for positioning and scouting.
Stome |
Stome wrote:I really want to try a life Oracle/Barb/Rage Prophet with this line of thought. Sadly Rage Prophet is pretty bad (you can get higher lvl spells and better BaB with simply a Oracle/Barb multiclass.) Still there might be something workable with this idea. I would have to give it a closer look then I have time for right now.Rage Prophet is a trap ;)
it'll always fall short of your expectations, I mean it works...kinda, but ...yeah .
I am well aware of the problems with rage prophet. Hench why I said as much in my post.
The point is that this is a thread about max CON and in that context RP has value. A Life Oracle using life link and shield other to soak up damage can benefit from the con boost of rage and the abilities from RP that makes CON more useful.
So for this concept perhaps it is of some use. In general though... nope.
Dragonchess Player |
Dragonchess Player wrote:Dwarf stonelord paladin with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) and Improved Familiar (Earth Elemental or Earth Mephit). Since a stonelord paladin still has Lay On Hands, the 13+ Cha to qualify for Eldritch Heritage still provides a benefit beyond a bonus on social skill checks.Earth elemental might be the most battle ready familiar as far as I know. This comes from the fact that familiars cannot get any extra feats, and earth elementals start off with power attack. A decent strength and improved bullrush are also nice for a melee partner, as well as earthglide for positioning and scouting.
For pure ground-based melee combat, sure. But a mephit has a fly speed, a weak breath weapon to deal with swarms, some spell-like abilities (enlarge person on self and soften earth and stone; plus a 25% chance of summoning another mephit), and a 14 Cha (better Use Magic Device modifier). Since a stonelord paladin trades spellcasting for Defensive Stance, this can be a factor. Also, stonelord paladins can call increasingly powerful elementals using the Stone Servant class feature, anyway.