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Well, Anando is a very "touchy" halfling, and got affected by the news of Rupert's dead. Also didn't help the accusations against him of not sharing information about Rupert's child and not beign pat in the back. He "break up" so to speak.
Ruling is a hard thing to do... many egos on the line...
Well guys, you need to get your kingdom together, and decide what will you do next (including what are you going to do with Anando).


Male Human(Shoanti) Ranger/7 [HP63/84; AC19,T11,FF18; F+6,R+6,W+4; Per+10/12/14; Init +2]

We could draw and quarter him.

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Or kick him out of the town hall... the people would do that for you...


Female Human Paladin (Holy Tactician) 5 / Noble Scion 3 / Mythic (Guardian) 1

I cannot condone simply relasing the poor guy into the wolves den of commoners.


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Retain him.

Janus has an excellent idea of how to locate the girl, try magic and if magic fails send the wrecking machines.

More than likely we are in for one hell of a fight. >:)


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard(Diviner(Foresight)) 5/Harrower 3/Mythic(archmage) Tier 2 - HP:68/68; AC11,T11,FF10; F+5,R+5,W+9/+10; Perc+5; Init +7

Don't forget, I am a diviner and a harrower, if there is info to be gotten, I should be able to get it.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

It seems to me that any potential issue over the throne will likely not come from Rupert's immediate bloodline (extended family is a whole another issue). His will explicitly states that the Barons "have the right to choose a new King by the method they see fit." That clause was probably stuck into the constitution as well in some shape or form, and by all accounts, it has been executed. Alexandria seems to be guaranteed a fiefdom, but while she certainly has a strong claim to the throne, it is by no means guaranteed to her.

Anyway, Janus will continue to try and reason with Anando. While not exactly happy with the guy's stunt, he did promise to help him, and Jay tries to keep his word. Neji was dealing with a midlife crisis, but she certainly appreciates his work. He gets a pat on the back from her, though she would be sad to see him go.

If he is dead set on resigning, instead of just running of to search by himself, Janus will probably suggest that he take over managing Rupert's fiefdom and get it ready for Alexandria while the others search for her. He doesn't want anyone to throw their lives away. Jay realizes that it must hurt that Rupert never trusted him with such information, but again, given his family, Rupert probably had a very good reason to keep it a total secret. Anando should at least give his best friend the benefit of the doubt and know exactly why Alexandria was hidden before making any final calls. As for finding Alexandria and bringing her to safety, even if it might complicate matters later on, Janus wants to do some sort of final service to the man who saved his life and ultimately gave him the chance to make rescuing Skyla a reality. What better way than to execute his will?


Male Human Cav 4, Bard 1, Battle Herald 3 Marshall 1

I agree with your thoughts on Anando. Having him leave on his own is with it question. Suicide. Especially since he would be a criminal more then likely in Brevoy. Bed probably suffer capital punishment as he aided in robbing the Dragonscale throne and the Surtovan family.

Danath and Seraph are both on board with finding Alexandria. They won't bulk on this either, Danath will go as far as contacting his family and working with his contacts to do his best to find her as well. Granted if Janus's magic succeeds then there will be no need for extra attention grabbing foot work.


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I spoke my piece on Anando.

As for the girl no question on we as rich and rescue. At least if she needs rescuing that is. She is the daughter of the ruling family and could be in training to be just like them as would be expected. So we could be bringing a viper into I ur den. Only time will tell I guess.

So Ni would agree to finding her and taking for to Slobada. Xi wont be as forward but depending on the girls condition she may be more aggressive about it.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Kiritta would probably be best for dedicated divination, but Janus has the potent Commune spell accessible. He gets ten questions per use (8 CL, +2 Inspired Spell). The right twenty questions could make the job much easily. Danath's contacts would be useful as well, though. Much less expensive.


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Ok, a few things.

First, the Will is just that, a will. A Will is a contract directing people how a person wishes to have their estate handled after their death.

Next, unless Alexandra is under a certain age (in the US it is usually 18 or 21), then the Will would have no control over her directly although it could restrict the use of money until a certain age, or until certain things were done.

What we need to do:
We need a constitution, I really do not think that one was ever created, and throughout history, almost no "Monarchy" has ever had one as monarchs usually rule through the power granted them by god. Which leads to the question, what type of land do we wish to have? A Monarchy? An Oligarchy? A democracy? A constitutional monarchy (like England)? A theocracy with religious rule?

I propose a constitutional monarchy. The constitution would at least limit the power of the barons and define how they are allowed to act, at least somewhat. It would include such things as:
1) The ruling "King/Queen" is elected from among the Barons, or senior Barons if the number of barons exceeds a certain amount. The King/Queen is elected by a majority vote of the barons present to vote, with a minimum number necessary, probably 2/3 of the total barons, to form a quorum.
2) The King/Queen shall sit for two years at which time there will be another election if another baron wishes to challenge for the position. Also, the King/Queen can be impeached and removed from the throne by a vote of 2/3 of all the barons.
3) A system of court/magistrates shall be established. Great crimes, those with the penalty of death, shall be decided by a jury which shall include a majority of the jurors being non-nobility and non-judicial servants. (The other jurors can be nobility or professional jurors such as is used throughout Europe.
4) A code of laws shall be written - no, I do not expect this to actually be done in the game as it would take far too much time. The barons shall have to follow the same rules as every other citizen of the land.
5) While it is a land of law, the laws shall not impair the free will of the citizens. The creation of a good and free nation is the goal of the constitution and if laws are passed which can be used by one citizen to harm another, then these laws may be challenged in the courts.

Just a few thoughts. If we establish a constitution like this, then the "Tatiana is our only queen" issue is of less import as the population would know that the King/Queen is in the position for only so long as he is in the good graces of the majority of the barons. This would also allow for an easy transition to Venetia or Alexandra when the time came if the majority of the barons believed it was a wise choice.

This also allows us to create lower level non-voting baron positions, perhaps just title them Lords, or elevate the senior voting barons to the rank of Duke or something like that. By doing this, it eliminates the need for DM Grimmy to have to worry about new "barons" and how they might vote if/when we get to that point.


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Janus Sevenstar wrote:
Kiritta would probably be best for dedicated divination, but Janus has the potent Commune spell accessible. He gets ten questions per use (8 CL, +2 Inspired Spell). The right twenty questions could make the job much easily. Danath's contacts would be useful as well, though. Much less expensive.

Combination of the two might be good. I can use Scrying to try to find her. The is Will DC 22 to save, although she would get a +5 save bones for being unfamiliar. So, there is a good chance that I could find her. Then, your commune questions could be based off of what I found. It could likely give you a way to really focus your questions.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

The will mentions Venetia acting as Alexandria's guardian until she is of age, so she is probably still a minor.

I recall that there was a constitution/founding document, but it got vaporized when we got transported to the First World. It probably would not hurt to define what Neji and friends have been operating under. There had to be some basis of law for the last six months. Of course, given recent developments, that will be modified.

Janus would agree with that system. At a glance, I can't see any major problems with it. I like the idea of minor nobles; Janus was basically going to make Neji a minor noble of his estate anyway.

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Janus Sevenstar wrote:
I recall that there was a constitution/founding document, but it got vaporized when we got transported to the First World. It probably would not hurt to define what Neji and friends have been operating under. There had to be some basis of law for the last six months. Of course, given recent developments, that will be modified.

In fact Anando leaved with it before you got taken to the first world. But that document is only worth what you are willing to make it worth. If you change it, and create a new set of laws, no one will contest it.

Kiritta's idea of constitution are sound. Any others?


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Janus

How can you cast Commune? It's a 5th level spell. Do you have a special ability? Normally, you need to be a 9th level caster. I think the mythic abilities that you want to use doesn't give you access to more spells, it just gives you +2 level for any level dependent stuff. Plus, you couldn't cast it with Inspired Spell anyway because Commune is longer than a standard action to cast. Just curious.

cheers


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

I was either thinking of Sending and/or a Lunar Oracle Revelation until you pointed that out. My bad.

As for Inspired Spell, nothing says that you are prohibited from casting spells longer than a standard. I figure it's like using a magic item. It's either a standard action or the spell's casting time, which ever is longer.

So I suppose that plan need revision.


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Janus Sevenstar wrote:
As for Inspired Spell, nothing says that you are prohibited from casting spells longer than a standard. I figure it's like using a magic item. It's either a standard action or the spell's casting time, which ever is longer.

it's in the FAQ

inspired spell FAQ:
...and must have a casting time of "1 standard action" (or less)....

I suppose that FAQ is based on the ability casting in a standard action. A reasonable GM might allow the ability to be used as you thought, "It's either a standard action or the spell's casting time, which ever is longer."

cheers


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Kiritta

I understand and appreciate what you are doing, but would it be possible for you to integrate your post with Tatiana's previous post that sets the stage for your "longwinded" post?

EDIT and the assumption that the kingdom has operated without laws for more than 6 months seems condescending and absurd... Please don't make Tatiana respond to your post as is. We've had enough drama today.

thanks


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Huh. That's not on the PRD. One would think that they would have made that official errata by now.

The lawless aspect is incorrect. The DM said that the original charter was given to Anando before the Barons got warped, so they had that to work with.


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Corsario wrote:
Xi'Tir wrote:
The scrolltube in her pack was like a weight on her spirit and she was unsure if she needed to deliver it now or wait...

The halfling points at Xi'Tir:

"You, woman! Bring here what you were given!"
He gets the scroll case, opens it, and starts to read:
"I, King Rupert I of Sloboda, being able of body and soul, declare that in case of my death the Barons of the Lands have all the rights for the resources the Dragonscale Throne and other parties has given me for the colonization of the lands, on the condition that my faithful cohort..
- the Halfling stops here for a second, and mumbles - "that stupid Rupert!" - he continues - "... Anando Veresisi be named treasurer of the Kingdom. I also declare that the Barons have the right to choose a new King by the method they see fit. About my fiefdom, I grant it to my Daughter, Alexandria, and name Venetia Medvied as her representative until she is of age."
Anando, now you know his name, finish reading with his voice breaking and a couple of tears.
"Here are those resources the King spoke of!"
He uncovers the cart he is carrying. Inside there are documents of trade, gold bars, gems and other resources to colonize the Stolen Lands. All of you grow silent at the wealth and promise of what he is showing you.
"I took them from where we had them, and the troops of the Dragonscale throne should be here to reclaim them in less than an hour. We can't move them quick enough, so they will catch us here with it. So I ask you again: What are we going to do?"

I did not mean to change anything, and the speech can take place at the dinner just as easily as at any other time. I was actually typing this when Tatiana ninjaed me with her post.

However, I am not really sure how this changes anything. Remember, Kiritta would never have heard the will read as it was done after the transfer to the First World. Nonetheless, what I posted pretty much is exactly what the will requested.

And, the kingdom for six months has probably functioned as a wild west town. Some nominal policing and guarding, but not really enough time to establish a rule of law, especially if none were written down. You have to recall that the cohorts consist of 3 rangers, 2 oracles, 1 summoner, a carnivalist and a cavalier. All good people, but not exactly a group that is likely to take the time to sit down and draft a constitution to run the nation. Yes, I am sure that laws have been enforced, but whose laws? What Kiri is trying to do is to get everyone to agree on a fixed set of laws that are our nation's laws, not Brevoy or Cheliax or Qadira or some other nation. I do not think that this has been done and I would think that doing so would help to attract more settlers and greatly increase the growth of the nation just as the US Constitution lead to the expansion west and the incorporation of everything other than the original 13 colonies.


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As I wrote, I agree and understand what you are doing. However, reread what you wrote from the cohorts' position. You (a new arrival who has been here less than a day) are effectively saying that the kingdom has been lawless since its inception. Considering all the cohorts have been doing there best and some are actually Lawful, there is a high probability to offend someone. Please reconsider.

Second, by all means edit your post or save it. Because the first thing Tatiana would do at the feast is REREAD THE WILL! And start from there.

I also wanted to have a private conversation between Tatiana and Venetia before the feast to make things go as smoothly as possible. But we can PM that.

But hey, this is all of our game, so RP your character.

cheers

Gotta run. Can't post or edit for hours...

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Don't you love politiks? :D


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Corsario, what do you want to do with Inspired Spell and casting time? Janus really can't do anything to help find Alexandria if he's limited to the "a standard action or less" clause they stuck in the FAQ. I ask because we have chosen to ignore other revisions like weapon cords and Crane Wing for this game.

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Good question... Why did they added that? I don't see a reason to limit it to a Standard Action...
But...
I don't think it lets you cast spells of a level over the one you normally can. As an Oracle you can't cast commune until level 10.
So...
There is Kiritta...
Or you can get a couple levels under your belt to do it.
Or...
I can tell you of a place when you can cast a commune, even at your level... I think I like that option. Did I told you there is an abandoned temple of Erastil lost in the Stolen Lands? Janus can go looking for it...
So, in short:
House Rule: Inspired Spell can be applied to spells with duration longer than Standard action.
But you can't use it to cast spells over your current spell level limit.
About Rupert's daughter...
Let me tell you a secret:

Spoiler:
I don't have any idea at all where she is... If you "pursue" that line I will make something (very good, I hope) up, but I don't have anything right now.

She is safe, somewhere... so if you take the long way around to find her, no problem.
If you take the short way, well, it works too. In fact the idea of Janus and Neji going in an expedition to the lost temple (maybe even becoming the "center" of their barony) sound great!


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Cool beans.

I understand the bit about not being able to cast spells of levels you can't access. I just thought Commune was a Level 4 Oracle spell. I stand corrected.

However, now Janus has access to goodies like Divination (a mere 25 gp) and Sending.

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Fell free to use them...
And think about going "Indiana Jones" on the temple...


Init +3; Senses Perception +12, Fort +6, Ref +8, Will +3 Ranger 7 AC 21, touch 14, flat-footed 18 hp 82 (7d10+12)
Corsario wrote:

Well Seraph idea includes the "two-steps" process which would make impossible for someone to become King by only popular vote... About the issues with Democracy, remember Winston Churchill: "Democracy is the worst way of government except all the rest..."

By the way, did you invite to the party:
Maria Borgnok (she is a Baroness)?
Vodyanoy Leventon (he is not Baron)?
Oleg Leventon (He is a baron, but he is not near Trivium)?
Elpida from the Cenobitic Monks (she is not a baroness but she is the representative from Varnhold)?
Do you let Topper Red be there?
If I understand correctly Anando Verisisi is not invited, right?
The four swords are invited?

Anando is invited. he hasn't resigned and even Xi will be mad if we get butt hurt over his comments. Hee always been feisty. :)

Hell Maria was nearly killed trying to help this country. She is a baroness!

Vodyanoy could be considered a baron. He is marrying Neji. >.>

Which would mean he could represent his clan too. :)

Elisa should be heard because a discussion like thismay affect the entire kingdom it would be imperative that she is prepared and well informed on the decision that arise here.

Honestly I would say non barons or political officials shouldn't be here. EDIT

And instead of elite guards the four swords could/SHOULD be the ones around Tatiana IMO.

i am enjoying the discussion so far. :D

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Good one, Xi...
* Yes, the four swords will insist to the point of sword to be guarding Queen Tatiana... especially after the previous "incident"...
* Anando will be invited, he will thank the invitation but he will decline, saying that he is very busy preparing the kingdom finances to be presented to Queen Venetia...
Vodyanoy will be there with Neji. He will represent the Leventon barony...
Elpida thank the invitation and will assist.
What about Topper Red?


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Yes. Topper Red is Tatiana's cohort and kingdom herald. So yes he's there entertaining and documenting.


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There we go! :D


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Sorry for my confusion I assumed this discussion happened before the feast. :(

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Topper Red is there, serving Queen Tatiana, and taking notes as quickly as he can...


Init +3; Senses Perception +12, Fort +6, Ref +8, Will +3 Ranger 7 AC 21, touch 14, flat-footed 18 hp 82 (7d10+12)

Poor Topper, How can he top this eh?

Seriously though, couldn't cut it as a poet, joined the bandits, Stag Lord dies and now he serves a Queen. Apparently being a crappy poet helped him move up in life. xD

In your face destiny!

I have an idea for Xi'Tir's cohort >:D PM coming your way Corsario~


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I will be away this weekend... I will try to catch up when I have service.

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Take care... Remember Arv secret...


Female Lizardfolk (8RP) Oracle/Evangelist/Hierophant 1

What limitations are there on Cohorts? can they be magical beasts or must be standard races (mostly)?

Just curious.

Life is a bit hectic but I am still here, reading all the posts but don't have much to add as we are the odd pair out. Two big Lizardfolk standing among a bunch of scaleless. Lovely.

Thanks for the help.

Eugene

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None, except:
- They are for RP purposes only
- Don't ride them, make them work for GP, make them craft stuff
- They won't follow you on adventures... and if they do, they won't get into combat...
But fell free to expand away!


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I think we're just waiting on Mulray to introduce himself.

Corsario, would you please list all of the barons (with links if possible) of the kingdom?

thanks

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Actual Barons of Sloboda or Player Characters?
Player Characters:
"Barons"

"Cohorts"

Actual Barons of Sloboda:

  • Tatiana Fortuna - Trivium Barony - Officially Queen
  • Oleg Leventon - Leventon Barony - Patriarch of the Leventon Family
  • Maria Borgnok - Borgnok Barony - Ex-Bandit Seductress
  • Zmeu Dunarea - Greenland Barony - Ex-Bandit Plant Wizard
  • Elpída - Varnhold Barony - Cenobitic Monks representative (not a Baroness, but fulfills the "role", more or less, as the Monks representative)


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Hmm. Some barons can be landed barons (NPCs), while others are not (original and cohorts).

The two lizardfolk are not barons, yet, right? Still working on the RP reasoning.

All the cohorts would be recognized as barons as per the structure of Rupert's Will. Besides, someone (the cohorts) had to agree to allow the NPC barons into the club. Tatiana just made the case to recognize the original barons as barons like the cohorts.

Please put that list in the campaign info tab

thanks

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Well... you can't be a Baron without land... it would be like a lame joke...
To be a Baron means you have land as your fiefdom.
So... you need to get your baronies up and running! Land Grab time!
The Lizardfolk can tell you they have a "Barony" waiting for them, just need your help to get it back.
Yes, I'll put it in the Campaign tab, eventually :P


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just got back... reading... and posting in a few minutes


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Corsario wrote:
Well... you can't be a Baron without land... it would be like a lame joke...

Umm. I'm going to have to strenuously disagree. In the original premise of the kingdom, Rupert named barons with voting powers BEFORE they ever had identified land. Therefore, that was the precedent that Tatiana used to identify all of the cohorts as voting barons. Who exactly was voting to admit the new landed barons into the kingdom, if it wasn't the cohorts?

If we don't follow that precedent, then Tatiana, as the sole PC landed baron could be out-voted, by the NPC barons by simple majority. That's silly.

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Ok, you can call yourselves "Barons", "Dukes", "Cardinals", whatever you feel like... but outside of your group people would expect "Barons" to have a Barony.

If you don't... well, smiles will appear...

About Rupert Surtova's will... no one except yourselves will take it as a "legal" document. Same thing about the original charter.

But yes, you can decide who can vote and who doesn't, and what "title" you want to have. Maybe you will allow all the 16 PC to vote, plus the NPC's "barons". Maybe you won't allow the "cohorts" to vote. Maybe you will tell the NPC's Barons they don't have a vote (they are not in Rupert's will, after all). You need to get that straight.

And if you decide only "Land-owning" barons can vote, yes, they could "out-vote" Tatiana. Not silly at all.


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IMHO on Janus' and Topper Red's list:

"Original Barons"

"New Barons"

"Elected Barons"

  • Oleg Leventon - Leventon Barony - Patriarch of the Leventon Family
  • Maria Borgnok - Borgnok Barony - Ex-Bandit Seductress
  • Zmeu Dunarea - Greenland Barony - Ex-Bandit Plant Wizard
  • Elpída - Varnhold Barony - Cenobitic Monks representative (not a Baroness, but fulfills the "role", more or less, as the Monks representative)

20 total barons.

We still need to handle the removal of Edeldhur & Daliedhur Beltharan and the addition of the lizardfolk.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

That's basically it. The eight survivors, the eight cohorts, and the four elected barons. As far as I know, the Lizardfolk are technically just guests.

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Just FYI: Elpída won't accept be named a Baron... the Cenobitic monks work as a unit, with just a "representative".
About the Lizardfolk... they did their share against the Owlbear. For much people they are more "Barons" that the Originals, that are new arrivals to them.
About Edeldhur, he will ask be be left out, but he will still work "for the good" of the Kingdom.
Daliedhur will accept. Don't leave her out, I will DM-NPC them both, even of somewhat off the spotlight.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

That is true I suppose, though has it ever been formally declared that the Lizardfolk are officially part of the Kingdom of Sloboda? For the time being, they have chosen to simply watch the meeting unfold.

So 22 Barons then if you count the Lizardfolk and the Daliedhur and Edeldhur.


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About Elpída, yes, that was why Tatiana specified representative.

No offense, but the lizardfolk have not had a conversation yet. Not that they have had much opportunity.

If Edeldhur wants to be left out, would you please post him saying such and renouncing his oath to Rupert and kingdom. There may be some unintended consequences. We are waiting for him to "introduce" himself anyway.

cheers


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Furthermore, after months and months at this kingdom building, this can't be the first meeting of the voting barons.

So before I (Tatiana) launch into an IC post with the worldview that this is not their first rodeo. Please EVERYONE confirm that you agree with these two points of view:
A. The cohorts are recognized as barons with voting rights
B. The elected barons are recognized as barons with voting rights

thanks

PS This seems way harder than it should be, since we've been at this for months.

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