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on the up side

Fitz is working on it

so there's that

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Based on the Guide feature of my cable, the episode for a week from tomorrow goes back and shows Fitz and what he's been up to. So that should be interesting.

Spoiler:
It also says Hunter will be showing up and helping him. Which is cool.


We'll see what happens.

I still think Thanos was involved.

The Kree just aren't that motivated now to blow up Earth just yet.


Chaine "The Butcher" Alazario wrote:

I think Marvel Agents of SHIELD is a horrible way to evaluate honor. It's a bunch of half-baked spooks with dubious super secret training. Honor is not an elective.

If you want to observe someone crossing the line of his Code of Honor, watch the last Supernatural episode where Dean decides to threaten a young girl with a gun in order to find his mom's soul 'NO MATTER WHAT'.

Dean's clinging to sanity by his fingernails lately.

Another good example was the 4 part Arrowverse crossover. There has been a lot of talk about 'no-killing' and how killer frost hasn't actually KILLED anyone and Caitlyn will see that she doesn't and how they are all good guys...

unless Nazis are around... Indiana Jones taught us Nazi don't count as far as killing go :P


Now it may be another dimension where quake blew up the world but then I wasn't our quake was it? No possible way if you think about it. on earth world is fine taken to future world blown up. at no point in between is the world blown up by her so igther removing her from her time line would of saved the earth or their in a different dimension where she did and then its not the same quake.

So yeah I'll go with the green dragons theory that they are not talking about the earth, or at least weren't properly informed.

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It could also be a stable time loop.

Events (in order of Quake's personal timeline):

1. Quake goes to the future (along with the rest). People are waiting for them because Fitz left a message.
2. Somehow, Fitz gets them home to their own time (or they get home some other way). He may send the message either before or after this.
3. Some time later, Quake destroys the world.

I don't actually quite buy this, mind you, but it isn't impossible by any means.

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DeathQuaker wrote:

*note I've only seen like part of the first two parter, and have only read summaries of the third episode*

I like the theory that the Framework is blaming Quake for its destruction, not the actual Earth's. It makes a LOT of sense.

It could even be the Earth is fine and the Kree just captured the slaves and told them they had no home anymore. A few generations in with no hope of going home no one would have reason to doubt it. Or it could indeed be an alternate timeline that ties in with Thanos; depends on how much the movie and TV divisions are able to work together based on differing writing/shooting schedules.

Very torn about this season. On one hand, I really want to know where it's going and what it's developing toward. On the other, it's a bit dark for what I personally can take as a viewer right now. I need some fun secret agent pulp far more than MISERY AND SLAVERY IN SPACE. This is very much where I am personally, and YMMV. ((*sits in her corner, rocking and hugging herself while watching reruns of Agent Carter over and over and over*))

You might at least get her visage


In that case she has to get back in time. If she where to die or something you'd have a paradox. If somehow she learns how she destroyed the earth and learns how to avoid it you have another paradox. So the only way to avoid a paradox is she does in fact go back and destroy the world at this point.

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I'm still loving the theory that they're in an alternate timeline where Infinity War goes south.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

We'll see what happens.

I still think Thanos was involved.

The Kree just aren't that motivated now to blow up Earth just yet.

If that's in response to me, I didn't suggest they blew up Earth, I just said they attacked it and took humans as slaves.

(Also, how do we know that wrecked planet is really Earth? Is Mars and Venus nearby?)

(Alternate universe for Infinity War also works... it just again depends on how much they were allowed to connect it to the movies.)

phantom1592 wrote:
unless Nazis are around... Indiana Jones taught us Nazi don't count as far as killing go :P

Dude, even before Indiana Jones, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was allowed to kill Nazis at a time when there were huge onscreen violence restrictions on television. Her other enemies tended to get a mild beating, but she caused Nazi jets to crash (no convenient parachutes) and killed Clone Hitler. Nazis are always fair game.

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You might at least get her visage

"Don't question my process, it's very serious."

I think it's odd even when she moves on to entirely new things, she's playing a woman named "Margaret" who lives in a place that was "Howard's." (We could even say "Margaret up Howard's End" but I don't think Peggy would approve.)


Thomas Seitz wrote:

We'll see what happens.

I still think Thanos was involved.

The Kree just aren't that motivated now to blow up Earth just yet.

I am skeptical, given how much the TV division gets along with the movie folks, that their will be ANYTHING involving Thanos or reference to him in this season.

IIRC, there was barely any real tie in to what is going on in the movies, and there hasn't been since season 2, around the time TV and Movies had there divorce.


MMC,

I still believe in the tie ins! ;)

Also it's possible this is an alternate universe...I just am not sure it's not also an alternate future.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

MMC,

I still believe in the tie ins! ;)

Also it's possible this is an alternate universe...I just am not sure it's not also an alternate future.

Agreed. I don't really care what they say 'behind the scenes' about keeping things separate.

Coulson dying
Sif appearing
Nick Fury
Maria Hill
Fall of SHIELD/Rise of Hydra
Coulson 'secret project' being the helicarrier being rebuilt
Inhumans signing the Sarkovian accord

And I know I'm forgetting a couple. That's a LOT of crossover between the series and the movies.

Even the Netflix show and the 'New York Incident' and comments about Thor and Iron Man in Daredevil tell me that the intent is that all of them take place in the same universe. They can say they aren't tied to it solely to explain away any continuity errors and tray to not paint themselves in a corner, but even the movies have timeline issues and continuity errors.

They need to do something REALLY big to make me believe theres no connective tissue.

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Ghost Rider containment chamber being "Hulk rated"


Hulk rated apparently did not mean hellspawn proof.

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Nope!


I feel like when they say hulk proof its like how fire proof fire proof things are. sure most normal fires will be fine but their are temperatures where even fire proof burns. That is how I imagined it. normal hulk sure.. good and pissed off hulk.. not so much.

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Kind like Hulkbuster armor is really "Slow Hulk down for ten minutes" armor.


Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Kind like Hulkbuster armor is really "Slow Hulk down for ten minutes" armor.

Yeah, and the Hulk cage in the Avengers that Thor busted out of to... They've spent 60+ years trying to find a cage that can hold Hulk... Slow him down is about as good you can get. :)


None of tony's "buster" armors really do what he envisions. hulk, thor, phoenix, ms. marvel, They don't win. Still they are impressive for what they do. Find me someone else without comparable super powers who wants to throw down with thor hulk etc. and I'll show you a flattened mortal.

(now tony did win in the 2nd avengers with his hulk buster)


Hulk Buster Armor isn't meant to win. It's generally seen as a stop gap measure. At least that's how I've always read it.

Same for the other Buster Armors.

Also I figured since the cell is Hulk proof but it's not magic hellspawn proof.


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Well, until Ghost Rider (TV) and Doctor Strange (Movie), the existence of magic wasn't even known to high-level SHIELD agents (as Asgardian stuff was fluffed as high-tech), so how could they magic ANYTHING proof something?

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The MCU Hulkbuster armor DID win. I may not agree with the decision to make it win, but it did.


I'm ok with it. In real life fights don't always go to one person or the other every single time. Its like hulk may win a bunch but tony happened to be on it that day.


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Wanda's "Enrage" spell's duration expired. Tony held him off until then.


He played it right though if your gonna have a chance you go for the early knockout as soon as possible.


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I'm still believing it was all Thanos' fault. :P


Yeah it's gotta be something other than Quake. She knows her limits and that knowledge is marked by the point at which her arms start to shatter.

I can't imagine she would live long enough to each a level where the earth goes boom

Graviton on the other hand. He could do it. He and his mystery silver ball have been unacounted for, for quite a while now.


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She might be a catalyst for events leading up to the destruction I suppose.

I got to say the kree is at least being somewhat cautious with her but is it enough? switches her power off whenever he doesn't have a layer of what I have to assume is bullet proof glass between them but if she actually destroyed a planet with her powers I personally would never allow her access to her powers. With that kind of power she should be able to wipe out your whole facility before you can push a button. Heck face to face absolutely no doubt she could kill him if she wanted to in a instant.


Vid,

Daisy being a catalyst I can sort of see, but much like Grey, Graviton is way stronger.


I wonder....In the Flashpoint thing Aquaman used Geoforce as an Earthquake bomb.

What if someone did something similar using Daisy and it literally blew up in their face.

The army of LMD Quakes don't have her powers right?


Grey,

No because they are ROBOTS, not enhanced/empowered Robots.

Also Flashpoint is weird...


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

No because they are ROBOTS, not enhanced/empowered Robots.

Also Flashpoint is weird...

Robots made with the help of the Darkhold


True, but as far as I know, they didn't MADE out of stuff from the Darkhold...


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

No because they are ROBOTS, not enhanced/empowered Robots.

Also Flashpoint is weird...

Barry Allen's mom wasn't murdered when he was a kid from 1961 until after Final Crisis. At which point Thawne changed the timeline.

But Barry undoing the change, to set things back the way they were supposed to be, brings about the end of the world. Huh?

TV series at least makes sense, since the characters have all actually lived in the altered timeline their entire lives. It is their correct history.


Perhaps time travel is as much an art as a science, and if you don't know how to finesse it, you risk screwing things up in a big way. Under this premise, comics Thawne knew how to avoid important pitfalls; left-brain scientist Barry did not.

Was it in Zero Hour? Seems like it must have been...where multiple methods of time travel were possible, but due to outside interference, each would only work one time. For the duration of this story/crisis, Rip Hunter's time machine and the Legion's time sphere were single-use items.


Well it's kind of an artsy science in Marvel too...I mean look at all the alternate timelines that got shoved into the multiverse.


I think the way they described Speed Force time travel was like a sonic boom. Speedsters litterally punch a whole through time and send ripples both forward and backward to mess events up. If you know what you are doing (AKA: Thawn) you can avoid major disruptions. If you don't know what you are doing (AKA:Barry, AKA Damn it Barry) you make a world altering mess.

Speedster time travel seems to be the brute force approach to things.

Can only imagine the mess Silver Age Sups must have caused punching his way to the 31st century.

Now the White Stone in SHIELD....I'm guessing that probably a wee bit more sophisticated and less messy way to time travel.

but it's existance raises some questions.
Kind of figured the original portal stone was a Kree thing but with the Time Travel stone's appearance I think we need to revisit that.

Pretty sure the Kree don't have time travel so, who made the stones?


Grey,

My guess? The Celestials. :p


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

My guess? The Celestials. :p

That could be what destroyed the world- the Celestial hatched, absorbed the powered people and wandered off to do Celestial things.

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MCU Hulk is incredibly weak compared to his capabilities in comics. He's lost every major fight he's participated in in the movies that wasn't played for laughs. He lost to the Hulkbuster armor, he lost to a depowered and hammerless Thor, and per the trailers we've seen we're going to open Infinity War with him losing to Thanos. About the only fight with a named character that Hulk has won in the MCU was against Fenris and we didn't actually see that fight end. For all we know Fenris beat Hulk and took off to terrorize Asgardians elsewhere.

Using him as a standard for high durability or strength in the MCU is largely pointless.


He did beat Abomination.

And its probably Thanos + Power Gem. Drax could beat Hulk with it in the comics.

Its Superman Syndrome. In Young Justice season 2, Wonder Girl had the same problem.

Superman Syndrome: You are introducing a big bad. He is so Big Bad that he can be a threat to your entire team. How do you show this to the audience immediately, so they can understand this fact? You have the Big Bad beat your most powerful hero in one punch.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

No because they are ROBOTS, not enhanced/empowered Robots.

Also Flashpoint is weird...

Barry Allen's mom wasn't murdered when he was a kid from 1961 until after Final Crisis. At which point Thawne changed the timeline.

But Barry undoing the change, to set things back the way they were supposed to be, brings about the end of the world. Huh?

TV series at least makes sense, since the characters have all actually lived in the altered timeline their entire lives. It is their correct history.

Man I hated that... Hated it with a passion. I've enjoyed Time travel movies... and I love watching the Time travel ripples alter the world.... But when Barry's mom doesn't die... or did but then didn't... and Superman doesn't land in Kansas and Bruce is killed in the Alley instead of his parents?!?

That's just a Garbage Time travel story.


Thor was without Mjölnir but he was not depowered. Even without the lightining Thor was abel to hold his own because he is more agile and the better fighter.

The Hulkbuster had one task only: To stop an out of Control Hulk.
And that was not a beatdown seeing how it used up the spare parts it could have gone the other way.

Thanos has won against a lot of Hulk like beings in the Comics. Beating the Elder with the Power Gem for example.


I'm with Low. Thanos has beaten MORE than just his fair share of strong beings, some times without using any of the Gems/Stones.

MCU Hulk might SEEM weak, but I honestly consider that Hulkbuster fight more a draw than a win.


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Niven's Law of Time Travel: In any universe of discourse in which time travel is possible, it will not happen.

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I dunno about THAT, Ed...


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Thor's only been depowered in his first movie (where he still beat a veritable army of highly-trained combatants).


We he does have the guns for it.


Kahnya,

True. But losing Mjolnir KIND of dropped him down on the power scale pretty significantly...at least in my view.

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